Just FYI..
The old heffa that cursed me out yesterday over her grandson's missing library book came back in today just as sweet as pie WITH THE BOOK that she found under the sofa!!!!

Jeez ,lady, if you had looked for it in the first place, we wouldn't have had to put up with all your bs!!!:mad:

I can only speak for myself, but I have never once laid a hand on either of my daughters nor will I ever. How can you hit someone who is 75 pounds smaller than you? My husband and I have always used the "time out" method with them. I don't mean time out in their rooms where they have books and a television, but time out in a wooden chair in the butlers pantry.

We have been doing this since they were small, and it has always worked. I'm not saying they're perfect, because they're not. They have tantrums and they talk back, just like any kid. But they know that when I start counting them out, if I get to three and they haven't checked their bad behavior, they get their time out.

WC, if your mother had utilized corporal punishment with your brother, do you think he would not have turned out "worse than (your) sister and (you) combined"? Certainly, she would have had to come up with alternative punishment once he had a foot and a half on her, right? I just have to wonder about a punishment that becomes obsolete once the child grows larger than the parent.

Time outs work, but only if used consistently. That is key.

This is going off the subject of my original post, but after reading all the commentary about parents I wanted to add something. I come from a very family oriented hispanic home. When I didn't have mom or dad around, I had my abuelos (grandma and grandpa). I have an older sister and, though we are quite a few years apart, we were raised mostly the same. However, we are completely differnt people. My sister is the wild one...sex, smoking, tattoos, piercings. I'm the smart and sensible one.

My point is this: in this day and age you can't always account for how your kids will turn out even when you raise them with morals and values. And that's a sad thing. What kids learn from their friends and the media, parents can't always undo.

My mom used to hit us with a wooden spoon. I think it was more to make her feel better than to punish us. It always made me really mad. I don't think I'll do it to my kids, I don't want to set an example that you can be mad and then hit someone.

totally off topic but I've been reading about the Bush 2004 budget... THAT will make you worry about society!
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-M

Hahaha - no offense to White Chocolate, just thought that post was pretty funny.

so does corporal punishment. you can talk about how great time outs are, because that's all you know. if you think time outs work and give a sense of right and wrong, go ahead. my child throw a tantrum? my child talk back, especially at that young an age? are you kidding me, if i ever did anything like that....i'd get the death look and that's about as far it went. we all knew what followed the look. the problem is people thinking it's ok for young kids to talk back and throw tantrums and then give reasons such as they're being individuals. sure sounds like the same reasoning that those GBN parents are using to rationalize throwing human poop on someone else. oh yea, i'm 24 and if i say something stupid, i'll still get the smack on the head...and i'm larger than both of my parents.

parenting needs strictness and punishment...physical if necessary. the only language some people understand is force.

bam....there it is.

why do you think we had to fight Hitler? appeasement doesn't work.

why do you think we quarantened cuba during the missile crisis? russians only understand force, not diplomacy.

Two year old kids are not comparable to Hitler. :p

The point is, you can't expect little kids to NOT act up once in a while -- they're little! They don't know any better, or if they do know better than to behave like that, they want attention and don't know how else to get it.

Force is not necessary, and while I don't object to other parents spanking their kids (with the hand only, not any other object, and only for discipline, NOT ever with any intention to hurt them), I'm not going to do it. I was never spanked and I turned out fine. My sister was spanked all of maybe three times her whole childhood, and she turned out fine too. So obviously you can raise your kids right without hitting them.

I think the bigger issue isn't the form of discipline you use -- it's whether or not you teach the kid that they're not the center of the universe.

there is always a limit to the force you should use. but force is sometimes necessary...not always, but sometimes.

not never, sometimes.