No offense, but are you an expert? I would tend to think more than likely not. That is beside the point. I happen to disagree with you about this thread being stupid. And who cares about facts, this is a thread geared in personal opinion and reference-things that people hold dear to them. Sorry, but I happen to respect that. I think it's good people are speaking their mind about it, even if it does sounds "stupid."

I have here in my hand a list...
 

geez, Joe McCarthy and John Foster Dulles must be high-fiving each other right now. They might want to get all the spellings on that list right...not only that, I think that list is the closest Bonnie Franklin has gotten to Hollywood since 1984.

Eddie Vedder's Bush-mask impaling was true to his "persona" which is why a lot of people didn't freak out. A lot (sweeping generalization) of the people boycotting the Chicks wouldn't listen to Pearl Jam to begin with. Natalie Maines can say whatever she wants to say, but she should be aware that if her core audience doesn't agree with it, it will hurt her and her band's career. Why do you think Andy Gibb never said he was married? Why did Boy George always elude the question of his sexuality during Culture Club's heyday? Because it would have seriously messed up their careers.

Oh, and if you ever want to get a real eye-opener about Bruce Springsteen, read "The Mansion on the Hill" by Fred Goodman.

Oh, but that's one of the greatest things about this country! A musician or artist or actor can have any political view they want and your "average joe" can have the same. Musicians can disagree with our government and so can the "average joe." And it's great to know that yep, "average joe" can go right ahead and disagree with
the views of those musicians, or any other person for that matter.

wow,

I just want to say that that is a great rebuttal to a serious point.

Did you get your diploma in the mail? There's no way a school of higher learning would let someone walk the stage with debate and speech skills like that.

Kitso
KS 361 times i'm glad my diploma won't be from the same school as yours

Yup that's true, as we can see from current events. Alas, I don't agree, mainly with this particular case because it's not the sort of action that really requires action. The boycotts that make sense to me are ones in reaction to, I dunno, forcing people to sit in the back of a bus due to their color, or maybe discriminating against people in the workplace due to sexual orientation, or some other oppressive or violent act. Calling a stupid man stupid(or even those poor souls who would call him smart) doesn't really warrent a huge response to me. But your statement is still essentially correct.

Thanks, NYU has taught me well! And I'm glad your institution has taught you to count to 361!
(I don't waste intelligence on annoying people. Takes too much energy)

Your saying that we know nothing about the American right to express an opinion? From the comments I have read on this page, I think the vast majority of those posting have a working knowledge of that right. That's one of the reasons we are posting...and whether anyone noticed or not, most of us have agreed whole-heartedly that we are quite glad to have that right-regardless of whether we agree on the opinions being expressed.

I think the thread is pretty interesting, but then, you have a right to opine that its stupid.

And I'm glad there are people here who like to run their mouths off...including Kitso....:p...it keeps me on my toes, and makes the day more entertaining

:eek:

btw...
 

shine...if you do mean no offense, please try to be less offensive....i can be ok, though, with you having a stupid opinion about my stupid opinion. :D but--how has this thread turned out stupid? (i promise i'm not trying to pick a fight....i'm really a nice girl!!! :) )

ANYway....cloud9, even if you had some kind of valid point to make ("if" being the stressed word here), no one would know b/c you like to make us all think you're just a big smart ass......aww, wittle cwoud went to NYU....gives wittle cwoud excuse to be wude. :rolleyes: whatever, dawg. my poor soul self will go wallow in how stupid i am for thinking a man with a political, military, and higher education background is smart. poor, poor me.....poor, poor, silly, stupid me........

are we all done hijacking? we were talking about SheDaisy, right?

Hahaha, some of you people are so funny. One person attacks my comment, I reply in similar fashion, some random guy joins in to insult my educational background(a "nyanya" comment following HIS accusation of ME doing the same thing), and then random person #2 becomes emotionally involved and adds that "all of us"(apparently she took a poll), think I'm a smartarse, and of course adding in that ever popular rolling eyes smiley! Ouch!

Anyways, woe to me and my inferior education, meanwhile I'm not apologetic in the least for my comment.

So...ah yes, the picture - I dunno, it's ok, I like the idea of the slogans/angry messages written on their bodies. I do always think it's kind of strange when naked women hold their breasts though. Whether this will affect their audience, hard to say. As someone pointed out, many of their listeners are on the more conservative side, although I know they also have a pretty big following of younger, more liberal fans.

Can we say airbrushed????

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You aren't an 8th grader throwing a tantrum? You could have fooled me! Especially with that remark alleging that Cloud9 has an education inferior to yours--that was the height of maturity.

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The website had a graphic that read "Citizen's Against Communism." If they want educated people to listen to their message, they could at least get their grammar right. Any and all credibility on that site, in my mind, vanished when I saw that faux-pas. I love it when people who don't understand another's political view immediately call them "Communists." Like 33 said, McCarthy and Dulles must be so happy right now (wherever they may be).

Oh yeah...and what someone posted about the credentials of the Bush administration. No one doubts that Condoleeza, Colin, and Cheney are brilliant. Bush's credentials--Andover/Yale/Harvard Law are a result (not necessarily a direct result) of his very wealthy upbringing and family connections. Besides, Ivy undergrad programs were not academically competitive AT ALL until 1960 or so. I was talking with a doctor from PP about how Bush may be personally stupid, but he surrounds himself with some of the world's smartest strategists--handpicked by Daddy, who is an intelligent man in his own right. So, I am far from impressed by that list--I grew up around people with curricula vitae twice as long.

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On the actual topic, now that I realize it, they DO look airbrushed! Very creamy and taut for women who have squeezed out a few puppies...

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Really? Please share, those have to be some impressive people. I'm sure someone on GC has heard at least one of their names!

I don't need to say too much. Post after post, you write what are pure lies. Most of it is ignorant crap. In this case you discussed a fascist government which did tortured people and destroyed their heritage to people choosing not to listen to music and radio stations reflecting the moods of their listeners. Whether or not you are Jewish does NOT mean you can say something that is incredibly offensive to someone who is Jewish. You've already posted enough stupid comments on here and this is a further reflection of your intelligence.

-Rudey
--I don't usually sink to think level, but if you're going to try and name drop then name drop something better than NYU.

well if i can't come in as the random person with a rolling eyes smilie face, what fun is it? :p

i seriously doubt any of us have ever written a perfect paper, and i certainly hope that someone doesn't immediately think i'm not credible for an entire article's worth of research b/c i got my apostrophes mixed up. typos happen....don't think it makes or breaks one's credibility, though.....if a name was mixed up, then ok, but apostrophes, hyphens, and other punctuation errors aren't gonna automatically cause me to give someone my favorite rolling eyes smilie and a "talk to the hand..."

i, as well, am interested in seeing all these names of ppl who scored higher than W on the SAT.

and if i cont hijacking this thread/becoming emotional...........grrrrr. :mad:/:rolleyes:

*airbrushed...definitely
:D

Did somebody in here claim to be more credible than everyone else and say that calling someone stupid makes them smart?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Absolutely no one SAID it, but many sure as hell implied it.

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Really? the height of maturity? i think the height of maturity on this board was established with the following:

so, i guess my little display of irony was wasted on some.

Irregardless of cloud's education, he/she/it was the first to pull the immature card, i merely followed suit in an effort to HOPEFULLY show the lunacy of such a post.

In any event, if you support the chicks, buy their crap, if you don't, make your opinion known with your wallet. But i'll be damned if i let some people on this board accuse me of being unAmerican.

Kitso
KS 361 + 1 = 362, ooo, i guess there goes cloud's theory. btw, cloud, i happen to attend one of the only universities in the country to have a Land, Sea and Space grant. Don't get into a pissing contest with me about my university.

Back to our regularly scheduled topic...
 

I am one of those Americans who no longer listen to Dixie Chicks' music after Natalie made her comments in England. The local radio stations are no longer playing their music, but that is at the demand of the LISTENERS!! Why you may ask??

http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmili...rough/tank.gifI go to school in Norfolk, VA at Old Dominion University. The same city that is home to Norfolk Naval Base ~ home to the largest naval base in the United States. I live in Virginia Beach ~ home to Oceana Naval Air Station, Dam Neck Naval Base, Little Neck Naval Base, and Fort Story Army Base. Portsmouth has the Coast Guardand Portsmouth Naval Hospital. On the other side of the water (Hampton/Newport News) is Langley Air Force Base. I could keep going. I live in the middle of a military rich town. The number of women and men that have been sent overseas for Operation Enduring Freedom is staggering. Everyday a new group leaving, but some groups are starting to come home!

We are blessed that we live in a country where we have Free Speech. But I was FURIOUS when I saw the group of war protestors in Norfolk at the start of the war. How dare they! http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/madgo.gif

As for Natalie, I cannot believe that no one in the last four pages of posts has not mentioned that she also made some very ________ (fill - in the blank) remarks about Toby Keith's song "Where Were You When the World Stopped Turning?" She was one of the very few, if not the only one saying...how can he represent country music like that???

They know that they need to do something quick before their tour is scheduled to begin. Would it be different if they were men? I don't know. Suggestions have been made to give a free concert or two to some military families. WHY NOT? I think it would be a GREAT IDEA!! She definitely stuck her foot in her mouth. And the other two women are stuck with her comments since they are part of the band. I think the cover is a desperate attempt to try to recover some of the fans that they lost with these TWO insert foot comments!

As for the hijacking of this thread, all I have to say is this...When did everyone regress to elementary school namecalling? http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmili...d/nixweiss.gif YIKES? GROW UP! Say what you want about me, flame me. But jeez. At least I know that I am a college student who didn't attack ONE SPECIFIC GCer! http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/nono.gif

I am sorry this is so long, but I obviously have an opinion on this. I will now step off my soapbox...

Ooops! I must have landed on the Nickelodeon drama messageboard by mistake! Now returning to the board where folks are at least matriculating through college and can have an intelligent debate without resorting to petty insults and namecalling.

the last few posts are all too true...........but i didn't start it!!! ;) :p :D

ok. so. hijacking is officially over and we will now continue with our regulary scheduled programming of...isht....what are we talking about again?

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I find it totally ironic that you mention freedom of speech and then in the same paragraph you talk down the protestors with "how dare they."

How dare they = freedom of speech. Freedom to live in a country and be able to be against something and what more....protest it. I mean really...it's a great feeling. To be able to oppose something and not face political backlash or punishment because of it.

There will be a time when just about every person on this board will be on the other side of the ropes, it helps to open the mind a little more.

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I was going to say the same thing. Freedom of speech is accepting both you agree with and those who don't. Society does determine what is acceptable, and I had hope that does who are not deemed acceptable would not be harrashed (look into spearhead and how they are being monitor by the FBI because of their belive, is hoover alive again?) or threaten with their life (I herd that happen to some of the Dixie Chick band members). Harrashment (sp?) and threats is the same thing as book burning because it will create the creativity to a stand still.
Don't like it, don\t go to their show, don't buy their cds and don't listen to them. But don't create a hostile environment where they or any other artists feel threaten to speak our their mind.

Did anyone watch the Primetime special last night?
 

I did, and I agree with Diane Sawyer...she sounded very insincere!

I was sooooo right!!!!! One of the stations began taking calls yesterday afternoon asking whether the listeners were going to watch last night's interview or not. This morning, it's comments about the interview, whether their opinions of the DC changed, and if the music should be unbanned.

The funniest thing is that even though she made a big deal over taking the video off the air and did all her usual pre-release publicity whoring...on every media outlet other than MTV, Madonna's new album is being completely eclipsed by the Chixie Dicks debacle. BWAH HAH HAH HAH HAH!

Being from the south, I always liked them mainly cuz I thought their name, "Dixie Chicks", was so cute and catchy. However, this might have contributed to much of the backlash, considering much of Bush's support is from the south, and especially from Texas.

In the short run, their PR blitz might buy them some relief, but long term, the fan base that should be their most loyal won't be so forgiving.

Last night I watched Jay Leno when his entire audience were members of the navy, army, marines, and air force. When he mentioned the Dixie Chicks they all booed and jeered. This lets you that they feel strongly about what was said.

Let me comment further about this. ( i knew someone was going to say something!!!! :rolleyes: ) I understand that they have a right to protest about the war. Protest all you want. I just find it a slap in the face that they did it in Norfolk! I just drove by, rolled my eyes, and said some not so nice things under my breath.

Not to get away from the topic (YET AGAIN) but my father served in the Navy for 28 years, on submarines during the Cold War. For those of you who don't understand why I am wording it that way, PM me and I will explain...I spent most of the Gulf War in the hospital with the fear he was going to leave. (Luckily he didn't.) A lot of brave Americans fought for that right to free speech. They most certainly had a right to protest. Yes they did. I was just angry that they did it in the same city that is SO DEPENDENT on the military to survive....THAT is what angered me enough to say "How dare they!"

The thing that really made me chuckle...they were protesting in front of the Norfolk City Jail. :eek: But they did have the right to protest all they wanted!!!

Now, we return you to back to the Dixie Chicks discussion!

Meredith

Totally off subject, but Alan Jackson sang that song. Toby Keith sings the "Angry American" song. Both are pretty cool songs, though. Along with "Have You Forgotten" by some random person that I don't know.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by adduncan
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That said, the phenomenon of their music being removed from play lists is NOT the result of government interference. This is the result of private individuals and privately held corporations making business decisions.





Lowery Mays,the CEO of Clear Channel,who owns many of these stations that banned the Dixie Chicks,is an old Bush family friend and a major league Bush supporter.I am not implying that the edict came down from him but I do think it is an interesting coincidence and wouldn't be surprised if he had a hand in it at all.Having said that,I will also say I could not possibly care less about the Dixie Chicks.Natalie Maines sounds like she is perpetually whining.I will also add that I am a line straddling Independant who votes along whatever party line can do the best for me. By the way,one reporter did try to make a big issue of the Pearl Jam concert by saying that several dozen people left in disgust when he impaled the mask.It happened in an arena that holds 18,000 people.THe incident in question was an encore song.So basically a few dozen people out of at least 12,000 may or may not have left at the encore.It may have been because of the mask impalement or it may have been because it was the encore.Who knows.

ZTA BULLWINKLE: I do understand why you were angry about the protestors .How many people in Norfolk are employed by the Navy?That does sort of seem like biting the hand that feeds you.

We have a Clear Channel station here in Nashville, and they did not ban the Dixie Chicks. From what I understand, a lot of the stations that did it, did so because listeners were outraged and calling the stations asking for boycotts. I could be totally wrong. That's just the report that I heard.

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Hi, Munchkin :) I don't think Kitso was implying that Clout9's education per se was inferior to his. He was just pointing out that her debate and writing skills are somewhat lacking. It's pretty rare that even the brightest people are good at EVERYTHING. My husband has an engineering degree from the US Naval Academy, knows how to run a nuclear reactor and can't spell worth a rat's azz.

LOL!!!!

Dixie Chicks kind of cute....too bad they don't play country music.

Hank Williams what?

Thank you for correcting me on that! I knew it was one of the two of them. I just had what my mom calls a 50 - 50 - 90 shot of getting it right. (50% it is one, 50% it is the other and 90% I pick the wrong one! ;) )


EXACTLY why I was so upset. Thank you for understanding what was so upsetting!

Or maybe someobyd who is smart enough to leave early to avoid the traffic. It happen in all concerts. The reporter is just trying to create a name for himself. Too bad in back fired on him and make him look like an incompetend high school reporter.

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It's kills me to think that we live in the greatest country in the world and people get a pissy attitude about a comment that was made. Ladies and Gentlemen, the name of the game is FREE SPEECH!!!!! people do have the right to speak their mind about any subject they wish to discuss. We may not agree with was been said, but at least they understand about what's going on. Just like Michael Moore 's comment at the Oscar award show, he seized the moment to express his feelings about the war. I respect anybody that willing to let his/her feelings show on a certain subject. What Natalie Maines said was maybe of poor judgement, But I respect her because she voiced her opinion. :o

The Dixie Chicks are being very professional during the controversy. I'm sure it'll blow over.

So tonight on the Academy of Country Music awards the Chicks were nominated for three awards. At the end, their name was read for the final award and there was lots of boo-ing. Vince Gill, who was giving the award said it best when he told the crowd, "You know who gets blessed when you forgive.......you." Go Vince!! That's all I have to say. :)

Vince is right.

But people who "boo" are also exercising their right to freedom of speech.

If it's good for one, it's good for both.

I'm all for free speech, and I am a Dixie Chicks fan,

but maybe we should take the advice our mothers gave us. If we don't have anything nice to say, don't say it all.

see...i wondered about that but was too into AI to watch it....

what all did they win...anything? normally aren't they up for just about every award? just three this year?