Miss Moderator-

I agree wholeheartedly about respecting other people and not attacking other people. But what i don't agree with is that when prettygyrl states her opinion--which is usually, if not always against white people--we need to expect that people will get upset. If we can't write negative comments directly to her, or ANYONE else for that matter, she should not be allowed to write negative comments about white people. I take the things that are said very personally and probably many other people do too. Whenever prettygyrl says something, everyone tells her to "keep speaking her mind" and "keep telling it the way she sees it" since it is her opinion. We can't have this double standard. It is not right that every time we come to read this board, we have to read a page long description of all the "bad" things that white people have done in the past. But then when we reply about how offended we are or try to educate the obviously uneducated, we get told not to attack.

Everyone has a right to their opinion, but they also have the right to have that opinion disputed. But I cannot sit here and read the post that prettygyrl wrote about a neglectful black mother being the only right mother for a child simply because the adopted, *loving* family is white without getting extermely mad. That is disgusting and something needs to be said. This type of post should NOT BE ENCOURAGED.

Miss Moderator, I am only asking that everyone be treated on an equal field. People should be allowed to their opinion, but when that opinion gets out of hand, it should not be tolerated. And the curses in the posts are NOT appropriate.

Thank you for listening, I hope you understand my point.

Cash,

I also think that the respect should be on the part of both sides that is why I said:

"It goes for both sides of the argument, it is time to start being respectful."

I too disagree with what prettygyrl says, but I am respectful and tolerant and watch what I say. I do think Prettygyrl could stand to clean up her responses a bit (this is why I said that it goes for both sides), however from what I have witnessed, most of the attacking is coming from the people angry at what pretty gyrl has to say. I too find a lot of what she has to say offensive, but what she has to say stems from something, it stems from the offensive things that she has had to encounter from 'white' people. I don't think prettygyrl is right about everything she says, and I wish I could change her mind, I would be lying if I didn't say that. But there are things she is VERY right about. One being that I will never be in her shoes, and I will never experience anything like the black community has ever experienced. She DOES come from a repressed peoples, and yes, white people did do this. So no, I don't blame her for her thoughts and feelings, but I don't think she's contributing to a solution, and THAT is what concerns me. We (as white people) put her in the shoes she's in and the attitude she has, so we can at least hear her out, or WE aren't contributing to a solution. When prettygyrl first started to post her feelings they were very much without vindictive phrases and offensive language, but people attacked her for what her opinion was. The only reason I pointed prettygyrl out is because she is being pointed out as being the bad person here, and she's not. Nobody is. So we ALL need to calm down. From both sides. We are well educated people, now lets act like it. Like our mother's used to say. . .two wrongs don't make a right.

Prettygyrl,
In regards to Whites and BGLO, I totally agree with you. I just have one concern about CREDIBILITY. This is very important when you are speaking to a group of people. If you would not have informed me that you were NOT part of any Greek organization, I would have really given you kudos (applause). Nevertheless, you are not, so that makes you look ignorant and makes you appear not to be credible to discuss this subject.(not to say that you aren't, we're talking about perception here) Just keep credibility in mind when you are talking publicly.

SADELUV.......ONCE AGAIN WE MUST DISAGREE BECAUSE WHY DO I HAVE TO BE GREEK TO HAVE FEELINGS ABOUT OR TORWARD GREEKS? THAT WOULD BE LIKE SAYING SINCE YOU ARE NOT ME THEN DO NOT SPEAK ON ME RIGHT? (WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING) I DO NOT NEED TO BE GREEK TO HAVE RESPONSES THAT ARE CREDIBLE. ONCE AGIAN YOU ALL ACT AS IF PEOPLE IN BGLOS ARE SEPARATE FROM THE REST OF US BLACK PEOPLE! REGARDLESS OF WHETHER I AM GREEK OR INTERESTED IN BEING SO OR NOT INTERESTED AT ALL STILL THEY ARE APART OF MY STRUGGLE AND THEY ARE WORKING TORWARD MAKING A CHANGE IN OUR STRUGGLE SO YES I CAN VERY MUCH SO VOICE MY FEELINGS ON THINGS SUCH AS THIS ESPECIALLY SINCE I BELIEVE THINGS SUCH AS THIS MAY TAKE THEM IN ANOTHER DIRECTION OR DESTROY THE BGLOS ALL TOGETHER! I NEVER CLAIMED TO BE GREEK BUT AS AN PROSPECTIVE AND A BLACK PERSON THINGS OF THIS NATURE CAN DEFINITIELY AFFECT ME IN THE FUTURE. ONCE AGAIN YOU HAVE WITNESSED OR BEEN A PART OF OUR DIVISION BECAUSE FOR YOU TO FEEL WHAT I SAID AS UNCREDIBLE BECAUSE I AM NOT GREEK MEANS THAT YOU SEE US AS A SEPARATE ENTITY AND IF YOUR SELF LOVE WAS AS STRONG AS YOU CLAIM YOU WOULD KNOW THAT NO MATTER WHAT WE ARE WE ARE STILL ALL BLACK AND OUR WORD IS ALWAYS CREDIBLE WHEN WE ARE SPEAKING OF OURSELVES NO MATTER WHAT STATUS OR POSITION WE HOLD OR WHAT ORG WE BELONG TO OR DO NOT!!!!! AND THANKS MGDZKM FOR ONCE AGAIN RESPECTING MY OPINIONS! PEOPLE ARE ATTACKING ME PERSONALLY AND I BY NO MEANS WENT AROUND CALLING FOLKS IGNORANT AS THEY DO ME PEOPLE TOOK MY POST THE WRONG WAY AND THATS THEIR PROBLEM, PEOPLE GOT OFFENDED BECAUSE THEY CHOSE NOT TO UNDERSTAND, THEY CHOSE TO TAKE WHAT I SAID AND MAKE IT INTO SOMETHING ELSE. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY SOMEONE WOULD GET OFFENDED JUST BECAUSE I DO NOT BELEIVE IN INTERRACIAL DATING AND THE MIXING OF SOME SACRED ORGS. WHATS OFFENDING ABOUT THAT. THE WAY I SAID THINGS WERE TOOK OUT OF CONTEXT AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE.........THOSE ARE THE BREAKS! TO ALL THE HATERS PLEASE STOP HATING AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE..... I ONLY LOVE THE LOVE!

I just wanted to post here what I posted in another thread. Both BGLO's and GLO's were formed for different reason, beacuse of the race wars that have gone on for, in my opinion, too long. However, they have a common intrest, and that is to promote the community and to give us a means to do so. Both BGLO's and GLO's alike might have been formed for different reasons, but they share a common goal. I don't think you should join a BGLO because you are black or join a GLO because you are white, you should join them for what they stand for, not for what color they are based on. If you support research for breast cancer and that is important to you, join XYZ because that is their philanthropy, If you like Animal Rights, join TRQ because they help out at the local shelter. THAT is what they were formed FOR. Like I said, the REASON why they were formed might be different, but they still hold a common goal, and THAT is what is important. If you hold the ideals of a particular organization close to your heart, you should follow that path, not deny it because you are a different color than the rest of the members. It's just like saying that only Black men can be doctors, if some white boy has a dream to be a doctor, should he discard it because he's not black? NO! He should do what he is interested in. The same goes for greek organziations. Join what you are interested in. That's all I have to say about it.

Well, if you felt I was "tooting my own horn", as you so eloquently state it, that certainly was not my intentions. I was not totally sure of the time or even the national organization. And also, on the West Coast, many of the NPC and NIC groups were integrated earlier than 1956, because many of the BGLO's were not installed at that point. Like I said, I am trying to learn as much as possible about all Greek letter organizations, forgive me if I get a few facts wrong, but I'm learning. :-)

Prettygyrl,
I was by no means trying to put myself above anyone. Nevertheless, you are on a GREEK website and you are not Greek, which is okay. So you shouldn't get offended if someone says, "How can she tell me how to run my organization, she isn't even in a Greek organization."

But, there is a difference in having an opinion, and speaking as if you have experience. It's all about perception. First of all, when I first saw your name, I assumed you were an AKA, maybe I should not have assumed, but this is a Greek chatline. Second of all, you are talking about what you would do in certain situations, Greek oriented situations. I assumed you had been through similar instances before.

What if I went to an AA (Alcohol Anonymous) meeting claiming to have all the solutions, and they asked me had I ever been an alcoholic, and I say "No." Realistically, how does that make me look? People are more apt to listen to you if they feel that you have good knowledge of what your talking about, especially experience.

Opinions alone are nice, but sometimes you need to have the experience to back up that opinion. Especially when talking about businesses or Greek organizations. (Yes, Greek organizations are businesses)

Mgdzkm433 said: "I don't think you should join a BGLO because you are black or join a GLO because you are white, you should join them for what they stand for, not for what color they are based on. If you support research for breast cancer and that is important to you, join XYZ because that is their philanthropy, If you like Animal Rights, join TRQ because they help out at the local shelter. THAT is what they were formed FOR."

I understand what you're saying, but it goes deeper than that. One of the main focuses of a BGLO is being Black and working to improve the Black community. Our community is our philanthropy. Our community is what we stand for. Anyone who joins a BLGO has to have a commitment and a willingness to work to improve our community's worst conditions. If that makes it a color issue, so be it.

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12-DN-94
SSU c/o 1997

I suppose sade that if you went to a AAA meeting and you were not an alcholic, but yet claim to have ANY solutions it would mean that you have researched it, known some alcoholics, feel that it affects you in some kind of way and obviously care enuff to offer a solution. Just because you have never taken a drink does not mean you do not care about the cause! I have no idea why yu thought i was an AKA I never claimed to be greek. I always said "if i was" or "if I am honored to be one"! I have NEVER claimed to have all the solutions to anyones problems. I can offer one to whoever if i care enuff about the situation! This is a greek forum that non-greeks can post in and if there was a greek who wanted just all greeks to respond i would assume they would make that clear or just not post in a public forum! Greek or not this issue affects me. I did not come in here and offer greeks tips on their strolls or how to conduct their rushes etc etc. I am just posting my feelings on white in bglos. Why on earth would i have to be greek to do that? Everyone here knows I am not greek but really what does it matter? If you think that what i say is not credible then why even bother to read it? MUCH LESS RESPOND TO IT. Obviously you do not realize I am not looking for anyones approval nor do i care whether you think what i say has merit. I say what I feel it comes from the heart and if you think that you must be apart of something to care about it and what happens to it or to speak up on it then you are sadly mistaken!

FYI, clarification a black woman was offered membership into Sigma Kappa at Cornell in 1956 but officials at the national headquarters were RACIST and they closed down the sorority when the students refused to deny the INTELLIGENT YOUNG BLACK WOMAN Barbara Collier Delaney membership how is that for intergration by GLO's. As far as integrating before BGLO's i know that AKA membership was open to all races way before 1940, but how many RACIST whites would actually want to join our groups anyway, don't toot your own horn, it sounds soooo ugly http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif

12dn94dst,

That was a good point! People do come from predominantly "enter race here" neighborhoods. And I am ALL for people with the same ethnic background having strong feelings, pride, love for their community. I grew up in a small town in West Virginia. About 3,000 - 4,000 people. My high school consisted of about 650 students grades 7-12 (we didn't have middle school or jr. high). But out of those 650 students about 2-4 were black through out my entire high school years. We had 2 exchange students each year, and there were 2 asian/american girls that attened our school. The rest of my school was made up of white students. I have a love for that small town. It's quiet, safe, and beautiful. I suppose I lived a very sheltered, idealistic life growing up because I was not submitted to the 'real' world. The 'real' world is much different than the 'sheltered' life I led in my hometown. But back to my point--NEVER did those students that weren't white, decide that they didn't want to participate in community service, sporting events, cherity functions, social events. . .etc etc just because they were a different color. They were always right there along with the rest of us helping out our communities, schools, churches, etc etc. I never viewed those people as different, yeah, there skin was a different color, but they always had the same intentions as myself. We shared a common goal. And NEVER did anyone deny them them the right, priviledge, or whatever to particpate in clubs, community service, social events etc etc because of their color. So I guess what I'm saying is, how does that instance differ from someone wanting to join a greek organizations? What if the 'white' girl that wants to join a BGLO grew up in a predominatly 'black' neighborhood? The same goes for a 'black' girl to join a 'white' GLO?

The point is, some people just flat out refuse to even THINK of a person of another color joining their organization. I'm staying that you should get to know the person before you brush them off. You don't know where they've been, how they've lived, or who they really are. If you don't find out their intentions first, you may never know what you are missing out on, and it could be the best thing that ever happened to you or your oganization.

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Prettygyrl,
Once again my intent was not to offend you. Apparently it did. I'm sorry that you can't accept reality as it is. I truely hope that somebody's sorority accepts you (not with that attitude). Don't all of a sudden think you have it made, just because you talk to some of the members of your aspiring organization.

You can get rejected http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif.

Just for the record, this particular issue DOESN'T affect you because you are not in a BGLO and you are not a Caucasion female. (Rocket Scientist!) MOST of these topics DON'T affect you because of the previous stated reasons.

I can appreciate you speaking from the heart, but there is a difference in that and just talking just to be heard, which is what you appear to be consumed with doing.

Speaking realistically, you do care what people think of you, whether your statements have merits, and you are seeking somebody's acceptance. If not, you wouldn't on here trying to run everyone's organization, with your inexperienced statements!

Therefore, I am agreeing to disagree with you. You appear to have a shallow level of thinking and a naive persona. I would prefer not waist my time conversating with a space filled with air.

I wish you much success!!

Life Lesson - Be wise and watch what you say, because people are listening and looking, especially if you are aspiring to be in a BGLO.

SADE GIRL, OR BOY, WHATEVER! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!! YOU DO NOT HAVE THE POWER TO OFFEND ME! YOU ARE STEADLY SAYING THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME OR THAT! WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH YOU? NOTHING !BUT YOU TAKE THE TIME TO POST. I DO NOT KNOW EVERYONE SO YOU CLAIM BUT YOU THINK YOU KNOW ME ENUFF TO TELL ME WHAT I CARE ABOUT? FOOL PLEASE!! YOU ARE THE ONE NOT DEALING WITH REALITY! THE REALITY IS, I WILL ALWAYS SPEAK MIND ON WHATEVER I WHAT! AND LIKE I TELL MANY OTHERS IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT TO BAD! I NEVER SAID I COULD NOT GET REJECTED DEAR, THOSE ARE YOUR WORDS. ALTHOUGH I AM NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE I AM NOT EVEN TO THAT POINT YET. I DEFEINITELY HAVE NOT TRIED TO RUN ANYONES ORG. AND NO ONE HAS SAID THAT BUT YOU SO YOU ARE MISTAKEN AND YOUR LITTLE MIND HAS FAILED YOU ONCE AGAIN. I DO NOT EVEN KNOW YOU SO HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY THINK THAT THE THINGS YOU SAY COULD "OFFEND" ME AT ALL! I AM GOING TO ALWAYS BE A STRONG MINDED, OUTSPOKEN, INTELLIGENT BLACK WOMEN, AND WHEN I RUN INTO WEAK SOULS LIKE YOURSELF ALL I CAN DO IS PRAY FOR YOU! SINCE YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY AS SHALLOW AS THEY COME, I THANK YOU FOR CHOOSING NOT TO CONVERSE WITH ME BECAUSE I NO THAT I INTIMIDATE YOUR TYPE! MALE OR FEMALE WHATEVER YOU ARE, YOU NEED TO GET IT TOGETHER QUIT HATING THOSE YOU WISH YOU WERE LIKE! MOST OF ALL QUIT SPENDING YOUR TIME WORRY ABOUT PRETTYGYRL AND HER ATTITUDE! I KNOW PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING AND LISTENING THATS WHY WHEN EVER I SPEAK I AM SINCERE AND I SPEAK THE TRUTH. THATS ALL YOU EXPECT FROM SOMEONE AND IF PEOPLE EXPECT LESS OR EXPECT ME TO BE FAKE OR KISS ASS THEN I WILL ADVISE THEM TO COME AND TALK TO THOSE THAT ARE LIKE YOU! I MEAN HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE A LIFE LESSON WHEN IT IS OBVIOUS YOU HAVE LIFE AND BULLSHIT MIXED UP!

Prettygyrl,
Are you okay?

I just wanted to say that even thou peeps have different views that does not make them stupid or ignorant... pretty gyrl ..Gyrl I feel Ya 100%

Prettygyrl,

Very well put! Just a side note however. (lol, can I ever say anything without a side note?) The all caps thing. To tell you the truth, it hurts my eyes. Maybe that's just me--my eyes are very sensitive to light. But I usually skip over the posts all in caps, or that have a lot of stuff in caps. I try to skim through most of them, but sometimes my eyes just can't take it. If there is anyone else out there like myself, they might only be reading tidbits of your posts and not getting the whole gist, and that might be where their anger is steming from, not getting all the facts. Anyway, just a side note.

Thanks NIque!(smile) Most def icytre i will always be okay dear. It is just very small minded of some people who come in here and can not handle the things that I say that they have to result to name calling. I mean they call me shallow (LOL) and ignorant(LOL) yet it is them that are so angry that they are calling me names(LOL) i see no reason to get THAT upset because we do not even know each other. I always see people post that my posts are angry or this and that. Really I just speak so people can HEAR me and try and understand so when i captilize and use my exclamation points that is just so people know that those parts are important(as i have said before) Some claim to agree to disagree with me but yet they get off on a rant calling me names and stuff. It seems that they must not agree to disagree because they allow themselves to get so upset and then they react stupidly! I do not call people ignorant etc. because just because we do not share the same beliefs that does not make someone ignorant! BUT if it makes those that can not deal with Prettygyrl feel better about themselves to call me names then by all means they need to do what they have to do to have a greater selflove for themselves! I have to thank all the people that took the time to post and agree with me. I want to thank those that disagreed, but understood that I am entitled to mine as they are theirs. To everyone else, as I always say, I will defintiely pray for you!

PrettyGyrl,
First of all, I am NOT greek, and I may not agree with everything you post, I do understand. I am older than many of these college women who post and have been in the corporate world and a leader in my community for some time now (in the South). I do tend to question the motives of non-whites who join predominately black orgs (greek and other orgs). To those "whites" who are truly sincere and are willing to fight on the front line along with me (in public as well as privately) fine. Too many times (where I'm from), whites will say they are "down for the cause" but when it comes time to go against other whites beliefs they back down. I too get sick of the "I have black friends or My neighbor is black" speech. The time is to put up or shut up. I guess being born and raised in the deep south has had an affect on me and how I view topics such as this.
I Like your fighting and realistic spirit. If you need a job, come work for me. I would love to have you. I have also heard Greeks in my area express similar feelings.

P.S. That Is the one good thing about our country, it is a free country and you are entitled to your opinions and you have freedom of speech as a right of being born in this country.

Much Love & Peace.

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This is too funny....you just insinuated that this Sade person wants to be like those she hates!!! Now does that shoe fit on the other foot???

Prettygyrl,
I wish you had an email address, b/c I would have like to address you personally, but I didn't see one on your profile...I just wanted to say that whether someone agrees with your stance or not, you shouldn't let people get you so upset. There are a lot of opinions on this board that I don't agree with, but you are wasting very productive time and energy trying to make sure that people know where you are coming from.

I mean think about it, If you are so firm in you beliefs, does it really matter whether or not I, for instance, know what you mean. A lot of people on the forum may not agree with your views, and just going back and forth with them makes you and the other person look like you're playing a childish game of tit for tat.

You feel the way that you do, and leave it at that, you shouldn't have to defend you stance if there are obviously sooo many people out there waiting to challenge you. Again, I am not saying that I am totally for everything that you are saying, but I think the board is meant for intelligent conversation, and everyone has their own views so don't get so offended when someone doesn't like yours. I commend you, and I do respect you because you are firm in you stance, no matter what others say...you haven't change your mind yet...and you don't let others sway your confidence, I hope that applies to all aspects of your life.

But really I think it would be in everyone's interest to just kill it, you don't have to respond to every comment... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

Have a GREAT day everyone...

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Phenomenally
Phenomenal Woman
That's me

Maya Angelou

Thanks Churchlady for the support. One savvy diva you are right. I try not to respond to everything people post but when people get to calling me names like ignorant then I suppose I just can't help myself but to response sometimes. Or if people are way off when they are talking about something I said. You know what I mean. I do have an e-mail addy I do not know why its not coming up but it is asiablake@hotmail.com .......andPEACE, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YO ARE TALKING ABOUT!

You said that Sade should quit hating those she/he wants to be more like....what are you doing? You figure it out!

What does any of this have to do with Greek life? It seems as if this board has become more of a racially-based grievance board than an open discussion, usually with bad grammar and headache-inducing caps. Why don't we all do ourselves (and eachother) a huge favor and drop the topic?

Even if the topic is dropped from this board, it's not going to go away. The heated discussions that have taken place on these boards are a clear showing that we still have a very long way to go before race is no longer an issue. You can't just close your eyes and make it go away or ask that a topic be dropped because you're uncomfortable talking about it or you don't see how it relates. As greeks, we're supposed to be leaders in our communities. Whether you want to accept it or not, racial issues are a part of not only greek life, but daily life.

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Kelli
12-DN-94
SSU c/o 1997

I'm completely aware that this is an issue, and it will always be an issue. We have, however, strayed far away from the topic at hand, which is what's annoying me. There is, in general, an overall lack of negativity on this board, and it seems that this specific topic is a breeding ground for a lot of it.

I FILL THAT YOUR PHILOSOPHY IS NOT WHAT YOUR OR ANY FOUNDERS REALLY HAD IN MIND. I UNDERSTAND YOU IDEOLOGY BUT TO SAY THAT ABOUT YOUR WOULD BE SOROR IS COMPLETELY NOT UNDERSTANDABLE BY ME

hOW CAN YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE REALLY A MEMBER IF YOU ARE LETTING GO OF A SOROR, JUST BECAUSE OF HER COLOR. i VIEW MY SORORITY LIKE THIS. THE FOUNDERS ARE THE MOTHERS OF MY SORORITY AND THEY HAVE GIVEN BIRTH (REBIRTH) TO US AND THEREFORE I WILL LOVE EACH CHILD OF MY FOUNDERS BECAUSE WE ARE ALL MADE UNDER THE SAME IDEALS AND AND CARE FOR THE SAME THINGS.

I know this is late but, PRETTY GIRL the sororities in the NPHC do not discriminate on the basis of race or national origin. You are not even in an orginazation and already talking about who YOU will let in. Everyone gets a vote and the majority rules, not one persons vote. You have to be voted in yourself, so what makes you think you are a shoo in? Yes we are founded as African- American sororities, but we would rather have a hard working WHITE member who is down with our goals and philosophy(Scholarship, service, sisterhood) than a black, letter wearing, pretty party girl. Remember, we are founded on Christian principles, so you need to get over the discrimination craze and see past color. It's not like the white girls are breaking down the door to become members of BGLOs anyway.One here and there occasionally is what I have seen.

Oh my god give it a rest! geez!

I agree 1913% with everything DiSTinguished has said. As far as the opinions of prettygyrl goes---Why do you care you are NOT even greek. And always remember this--before you get a chance to VOTE on someone else, someone has to vote on you =-)!!!!! So get a grip and get over yourself.

That's exactly what we're saying about you! Thanks for putting it into words!!!

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AMEN Peace and ekception17!!!!!!! thank you thank you thank you!!!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Well put and it is amazing that prettygirl only wants to give it a rest when she knows that she has finally gotten to the point were she can't try to wessel out of the truth.

OK. I don't care what you all talk about. You can talk about anything you want. It can be a heated discussion or it can be silly or whatever. But I am getting sick and tired of all the name calling and bashing. Didn't your mothers ever tell you 'if you can't say something nice, don't say it at all.' The topic is fine, but there is no need to personally attack any person on this board, and that goes for everyone. If you can't start being respectful to each other, then the topics are going to start getting deleted. Like I said, the topics are fine but when I see some of the messages that are designed to try to personally hurt someone instead of adding a opinion to the topic, that makes me a bit upset. You don't know these people, you don't know where they've been, how they were raised, where they come from, or what they've gone through. So stop with the personal vindictivness. I don't know how many times I have to post this before someone listens. All of you need to get over yourselves from the way things sound! Nobody here is better than anyone else, so cut the name calling and bashing. Thanks.

No dear I know the truth actually! I said give it a rest because alot of people here still saying unrealistic bs!iTS REALLY GOING NO WHERE! I CAN HANDLE ANYTHING DISHED MY WAY TRUST ME! I WISH I COULD SPEAK TO YALL FACE TO FACE! Get over myself(LOL) Why don't some of you get over me? Exception17 ummmmmmm I know the process as far as voting goes and whether I get in or not my feelings will remain the same! Like I said before I can not STOP them from getting in whether I was greek or not but I do not have to like it nor do you have to dislike it. People like yall can keep on saying its okay for you to call a white woman soror or a white man husband nothing i say can stop that. BUT as you go on in life and you continue to see your black brothers fried in the electric chair (when there is no solid proof of a crime), Continue to see WHITE police officers gunning your Black brothers and sisters down or standing aorund watching as your Black sisters while they are raped and beaten, Continue to read about lawsuits that many Blacks have to file everyday because of the biased and unjust treatment they constantly get in the world, Continue to read about the HATE crimes committed on predominately White campuses, torward Blacks all the time! Continue to see the same White people, who claim to have no racist views or who say "I never had a slave so why complain to me", get ahead in life while stepping all over you. As the years go on and you continue to witness all the pain and unjustices done to your people at the hands of them, if you can look over at your WHITE soror/frat or your WHITE GIRLFRIEND/BOYFRIEND and trully feel like yall identify with each other enuough to claim love........then I say go for it because obviously your love for us is not as strong as it should be, if thats the case then I guess we do not need ya anyway! Yall might as well go around the U.S. with that Black guy that is lobbying to end Affirmative Action! I mean if things are really like yall claim it is or should be then we do not need Affirmative Action now do we? Please! Yall Just As Misconstrued as that guy is! If that guy gets his way how many of your white sorors and frats will be there for you when you are out of a job? I suppose that when laws like that are not in place the amount of Blacks pledging Bglos will go up because they will not be getting into the white ones anymore I am sure! Point is we are different PERIOD! We are always going to be different! The only thing that we have in common is just the simple Human like qualities (such as breathing, bleeding) everything after that will be very different and it is those things that mold and shape us! We are different! Until some people just accept that and quit trying to force all of us to feel something deep for each other we may never feel then we will always have problems with each other! We can exist in ths world to together without being TOGETHER! GET THE PICTURE! NOW.......MUCH LOVE TO ALL MY PEOPLE EVEN THE ONES THAT HAVE NONE FOR ME, BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF YALL STILL SUFFERING FROM THAT SLAVE MENTALITY!

you are just one more *SIGH* in my life...

could you please explain what the "slave mentality" is? oh no, wait, i forgot, you have never been a slave so how could you possibly know? i didn't know time travel was possible.

<<Could you please explain what the "slave mentality" is? Oh no, wait, I forgot, you have never been a slave so how could you possibly know?>>
--Perhaps she's referring to the "crabs in a barrel" mentality? I really can't come up with what a "slave mentality" is, but I'd love to hear her explanation.

I've been reading this thread for a long time and I try not to get upset over topics such as this one. Prettygyrl, much love to you for representing and holding your own. I think, however, that this discussion should be closed because no one is going to change anyone's mind.

For the White folks who do not understand what the "slave mentality" is (and if there are African-Americans who are not sure, that's pretty sad) http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif let me clarify for you.

Slave mentality: the mentality of the average slave! Slaves learned to appease their White masters and White people in general --to do and give them everything their little hearts desired (in order to avoid being mistreated of course).

What Prettygyrl is trying to say is that we are our own people and should be proud of that. I don't think we have to include everyone in what is rightfully ours. I don't mean to offend anyone, but this is a White person's world and what little we have, we should hold dear to us. In my personal opinion, when a White person joins an organization founded by and for African Americans instead of one of their own they are simply flaunting their power and their ability to do whatever they want. We've been stripped of our prized possessions long enough, why offer it voluntarily?

It's hurts me to know that many African Americans equate success with White. This is evident in the relationships of many of our successful Black men (some women, not many). When we feel like we've 'reached the top' and have acquired quite a bit of cash flow, then we want to go out and get a White mate. How many African American actors/actresses and athletes with White partners can you think of? What happened? We were good enough when they didn't have any money!

Anyway, I think it's time we expressed pride in ourselves and our culture (we have one, you know). I sincerly apologize if I've hurt anyone by my statements, but they are my opinions and mine alone. Thanks!

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SOMEONE (won't say who cause she doesn't want her name used) said:
"I think Alpha chi girl is Black! If she do not know what that means then its obvious she is not up on HER history no wonder she chose to roll with the other side! By the way Alpha Chi I beleive the choice you made in sororities has alot to do with your "slave mentality"! You are wrong Greek I am a slave!"

How DARE you judge what AlphaChiGirl has chosen to do with her life. You are obviously very insecure in your own and think that everyone else should lead the hateful, monotonous life you lead. People do what they want to do, obviously Alpha Chi was the right sorority for that ONE INDIVIDUAL. She doesn't have any "mentality" except her own!

And one thing i'll never understand...when i was miserable living in the south, i moved up to the north where i felt there were more opportunities and jobs for me. IF YOU ARE SO UNHAPPY WITH YOUR LIFE, MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE!!! move to alaska, china, africa, new mexico...wherever YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE. don't expect everyone else to change for you. go to where you are happy. and i'm not saying move because you're black, i'm saying if you are unhappy with your situation, any situation, go somewhere else.

pretty gyrl......i noticed that you did not respond to my question. is there a difference between white on black crime and black on black crime?