All the UF sororities have dinner at their houses at 5:30. During this time, the fraternities go around to the houses & "announce" their parties.

Sometimes they go in pairs, other times, in big groups. It all depends.

Ok, and during that annoucing, they dumped bourbon or tea, flour and mealey worms on the girls eating dinner? I'm so confused :) Just a little northern girl trying to delve into the southern sorority life! :)

I'm involved in southern sorority life but I've never heard of announcing and courting--except when the KAs would ride across the Auburn campus on horseback and present their dates with their invitations to the Old South Ball!

No mealworms or bourbon, though.

There is no explanation that could justify dumping any that nasty on girls. The girls are inside eating dinner.... the guys walk in and tell them to go outside. I've heard that they yell degrading things to get them to go outside.

But who knows? I think it's all ridiculous if you ask me. I wouldn't want to be part of a chapter that just sits around and lets it all happen.

The meal worm dumping, etc that is in the news is what happened at the actual event I believe..but other things such as I mentioned earlier, happened at the announcing of the event. The annoucing takes place during dinner time and gave the girls a preview of what the event would be. IE. Bobbing for dildos in whipped cream should have been a good hint as to what the event would entail. And girls did this in front of their entire sorority house...and the girls in the house thought it was pretty funny according to my friends in the house. It's all in good fun, this is a CRAZY event! People from all over have heard of it and other fraternities elsewhere have even copied the event. Basically, it strokes the males ego and lets them be big manly men for a night. The girls get free drinks and one wild night to remember. And I really don't think the girls that posed the complaints are as mad about the actual event or the fact that they got caught doing this stuff. It's really not as bad as it sounds but it is defintely not for the weak at heart!

A more serious crime..let's see, how about being raped in front of your sorority house? Or even better, in front of a fraternity house!? It was said to have happened at Stetson University...Now that's the type of behavior a charter should be pulled for, not stupid pranks.

Yes, I have seen the partypics of the girls... and you're right about the internet spreading of them... Defintely not something to post on the fridge and send home to Mom, but the girls shouldn't have done that in the first place, and once again, are probably more mad about being caught on film than they are about actually "doing it."

I just feel like the fraternity is getting in trouble for something that they actually advertised pretty well at announcing as to what would happen at the event... Not that it SHOULD happen, but they never lied about what WOULD happen...They were very up front about the craziness, at least to my knowledge...

And girls DEFINTELY do need to be more careful these days, and that is sort of what I have been saying...that if these girls went to an event that was annouced with "bobbing for dildos in whipped cream and opening a cows heart over their heads" then maybe they should have thought twice about going!

Biker Bash isn't anything new. Sigma Chi did it in the 80s too.

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And I really don't think the girls that posed the complaints are as mad about the actual event or the fact that they got caught doing this stuff. It's really not as bad as it sounds but it is defintely not for the weak at heart!

Oh really? Those pictures weren't bad enough?

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A more serious crime..let's see, how about being raped in front of your sorority house? Or even better, in front of a fraternity house!? It was said to have happened at Stetson University...Now that's the type of behavior a charter should be pulled for, not stupid pranks.

FYI - I edited my comment to state what I really meant: it's bad enough to be photographed with a dildo in your mouth.

And unfortunately, rapes happen all too often at college campuses. Even at UF. Check the Alligator archives.

(Gee, you think this kind of behavior & attitude PREVENTS girls from being raped?!)

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I just feel like the fraternity is getting in trouble for something that they actually advertised pretty well at announcing as to what would happen at the event... Not that it SHOULD happen, but they never lied about what WOULD happen...They were very up front about the craziness, at least to my knowledge...

No, the fraternity is out of hand. They are not only destroying their reputation, but UF's as well.

I don't like seeing anything negative on the news about my alma mater - and I esp. don't like to see anything negative about the greek system. Something like this should have never been allowed to happen.

You see, UFRushee05, when you are an alumna of a school/organization, and you care enough to contribute financially, openly recruit for the school (not just for a sorority), and continue to support the school many many years after you've graduated, you expect the school to maintain a certain amount of dignity. This isn't asking for much.

And don't even get me started on the after effects of humiliation. You'd be surprised how many women are in therapy because of their college experiences.

I'm not kidding.

I'm not trying to discourage partying it up. There should be limits.

I just think that if someone really cares about you, they wouldn't allow you to be humiliated.

amen annie!

you can always say things so well.

must be that journalism background coming out :p

LOL...Thanks! Actually, it was the solid education I received at UF! http://216.40.249.192/mysmilies/otn/wink/thumb.gif

But in all honesty, I'm just a wise old soul who has done a lot and seen a lot....and just got rid of all the t-shirts a few months ago.

Don't worry Dani - in 10 years, you'll be spouting off just like me (if not a few yrs sooner) - to younguns who were born in 1997 or so.. http://216.40.249.192/mysmilies/otn/wink/thumb.gif

I went on Biker Bash this year b/c my friend in Theta set me up with her boyfriend's brother.

She wasn't announced to b/c she had work and I wasn't announced to because I didn't know him that well so there was no way in hell I was going to deal with that.

It's a tradition. They do it to every sorority girl who is invited to go. They show up at the sorority house, yell out obscenities, dump things on the girls, awful things. It's not just Theta. One year, one of my sisters' boyfriends poured a fifth of bourbon over her head as they made out. Last year another sister got live mice thrown on her. I can't explain why they put up with this bs...it's just the way it is.

The reason Theta is getting called out for this isn't because they got mad, but because their new alum advisor was outraged by the guys and the way the girls were "unsisterly" by encouraging each other to be announced to.

It's the craziest party EVER (trust me) but they're good guys. It's just that when Biker Bash rolls around, things get way sketchy.

ps: sorry I didn't sort out through all the responses to this, but I had to put my two cents in. Greek life at UF is cracking down and it's depressing me.

tradition?!
 

Just because it's a tradition, doesn't make it right. Go ahead and get crap thrown on you, take dirty pics, do what you like... but on your own time, and not in the name of a 'Greek' tradition. All that does is make the Greek community look bad. I know that if my parents somehow found out about this...they'd question me being in a sorority, if what they read about the system is negative.

We should all do our best in avoiding negative press. What you do on your time is your business, what you do on Greek time becomes everyone's business Yeah, some people think it's funny... but now people who hear about it think that "all XYZ's do this" or "That's all that greeks do...", etc.

What they tell us is....When you're on 'Kappa time' you act like 'Kappa ladies'! :D

It never used to be such a big deal b/c the girls who were announced to consented to it and that was the end of that. Their sisters knew and Sigma Chi knew and that was about it. The other fraternities didn't care about someone else's announcing. Non-Greeks had no idea. It's just all blowing up right now b/c it's in the spotlight.

I agree with UFRushee05....

I think it sounds crazy and fun, and the girls WANT to go, and they know what it entails. If I were them I really wouldn't worry about embarrasing the alumni. They had thier fun in college too and no one told them what to do.

No one usually likes what I have to say about college students doing what they please without having to worry about the high school-ish things like thier "reputation." Not to mention now that we are in college, we have to worry about everyone-we-have-ever-associated-with's reputation.

GET OVER IT.

Sorry, have a nice night :cool:

KDOnline:
I wasn't saying the pictures weren't bad enough..I was saying that...Yes, these pictures have come into the spotlight and it does look "bad" for the Greek community, but it's not as bad as doing something horrible like rape etc. This is more of a prank than a crime. Do you see what I mean>?

And I know that rapes happen at UF, I wasn't saying that they didn't, I was just referring to the most recent one I knew of, which was at Stetson where one of my best friends is a Tri-Delt.

And I never said that this type of behavior prevents rapes...

I understand you're anger about these events as an alumni who gives money and free-time to your former college, but in all fairness there are a lot of activities that go on in sororities, KD included, and the rest of the school...IE drinking and other things that I won't name so I don't stir up anyone else., that you probably wouldn't be too happy about..... I just think that everyone is blaming Sigma Chi when all they did was have their annual event, slightly toned down from last year, and have gotten into a lot of trouble for pulling some silly pranks that most of the girls were well aware of in the beginning. I guess I think it is sort of like going to a haunted house and then coming out of it all mad because you got scared...

Yes, you went to school here once and I'm sure there are a few things you did in the spirit of "just being in college and free to do what you want!" But maybe I'm wrong, and if I am , then sorry for assuming...because you know what assuming can do ;)

Seriously though, these girls knew what they were getting into. Sigma Chi's are so great here at UF. They are very sweet and just all around awesome guys who once a year like to get down and dirty and go a little crazy. It's like Halloween for them or something. And really, it's such a great party!

I am sure there are girls who go into therapy for the humiliation they experience in college...but to put this in perspective. I bet the number of girls in therapy from getting dropped from every house at rush are a lot higher than the one who go into therapy from being "humiliated" at Bikers and Babes...

I guess our opinions on what constitutes humiliation are different...I don't think getting crazy and "bobbing for dildos" as a volunteer could be all that humiliating, but as you are older and wiser...I could probably learn a thing or two from you. :) I guess to sum all this up...I think college is about making mistakes and doing crazy stuff that you would never be able to get away with when you are older...I'm sorry you have had to post so much on this but I hope we can just agree to disagree because I believe the age gap might be one of the reasons for our differing opinions...

I do and what sorority she was in to. One kinky girl. She shouldn't have made those videos for her bf. What did she expect would happen if they broke up? No suprize her sorority kicked her out. Maybe they were just jelious of her moves. I am a girl and found the vidoes funny. She must of thought she was a porn star.

WOW, I so totally unimpressed with the actions of demmeaning of this !!!!!!!!!

This is what I alwqays wanted to happen to me or do to someone else!

I had my head half shaved in college freshman hazing not because I wanted it.

That was the last year for Hazing at NWMoSU!

A long story that I am not going to get into!

to each his own
 

yeah...it definitely makes a big difference when it's all over the papers....and everyone is talking about it. I bet those Sigma Chi pics from the announcing have been up since the day after it happened... and now is when it's getting the most hits. But now that it IS in the papers... it makes everyone look bad... not just the girls in the pics.

Either way... to clarify... you'd never catch me doing any of that, whether or not it's in front of a camera. I just think it's gross.

Also, I think it's funny, b/c my Pi Chi was one of the girls in the pics... but then again, she is a crazy, party girl who likes to have fun!

Uh - it's not an effort for me to post.

Bottom line - if/when you join a sorority, you shouldn't do anything that will embarrass your house.

If you like to suck on dildos, go ahead - do it "anonymously." Risk your own rep - not your house's.

KDOnline: I think you took my post the wrong way. I didn't mean it was an effort to post, I was just sorry that I wasn't clear in my first post, leading to confusion...

Don't worry chica....


She just gets her panties in a wad sometimes......:D

Thanks cutie ;)

Don't you even start sh!t with annie again, UFPike. I'm serious. F-ck with her, you're going to be f-cking with me. Which i'm sure you'd enjoy.

I'm guessing that those of you defending this are younger and without a council position in your house. I realize that a lot of younger members miss the big picture of things. Your actions reflect not just you, but your entire chapter, and your sorority as a whole, as well as sorority women nation wide. You enjoy sucking on dildos and letting guys do disgusting things to you, fine, like annie said- do it in privacy. Not representing your sorority, not for the whole world to see.

When i first joined a sorority I probably would've had a similar view as some of you. But then I was on exec board for several years and got more involved with KD nationally, and you start to realize the effects these sorts of things have. I'm only 22, but i have a whole lot of greek experience. When you're on council, you have a lot of responsibility, and if something hapens- guess what- YOU can be sued. Yes YOU.
BTW- i'm not quite sure what rape has to do with all this. Yeah it is a problem, but when you have good risk management (which is definately lacking in this situation) and care about your sisters and watch after them, the chances of such situation happening are very minimal.

No kidding that other things go on. But if they do, the ladies and the men at least have the good sense to keep it behind closed doors. For the record, i think both parties are just as guilty in this this case. The girls knew what they were getting into. I can pretty much guarantee that they will be under some disciplinary action from their national council.

Lately, greekchatters have been making me sorts said with the things they see as acceptable- sexual assault (see my thread about teabagging), this, etc.

I agree with the KDs. Once you're in an administrative or advisory position, you begin to see just how much trouble "a little harmless fun" can do.

For their hours of fun, I guarantee that Sigma Chi's and Theta's nationals will put them through many times more hours of hell and rightfully so. Why? For the same reason that I have to fill out 40 pages of paperwork to be pre-approved every time I have to take my Scouts anywhere! For the same reason that teachers can't tell parents that their kids are hyper anymore! Because our country is so litigious!

All it takes is one pissed-off Theta parent and Sigma Chi could be out thousands of dollars. Don't you guys know that people who have no right to receive any money in a suit get it anyway? You never know what kind of nuts you have on a jury who'll award money to a complainant!

And Theta's nationals are *not* going to want their girls to look like hobags either. Can't you just see rushees looking at the partypics site and saying, "I really want to be a Theta and have crap poured on me"? I don't think so!

The repercussions of this will last for a long time.

I'm sorry, but if this whole announcing event is a way for the boys to feel manly, then those boys OBVIOUSLY need a check up from the neck up, b/c degrading women isn't the way to go. I don't care if this is tradition or fun or whatever, but to me, it just seems degrading and rude. And if I was a girl waiting to come to UF, I certainly wouldn't want to be in the sorority where these girls were involved. It just looks bad all the way around.

UFRushee05: i know that you go to UF and may have some insight as to events that happened, perhaps moreso that those of use thousands of miles away.

But as I recall, you didn't get a bid anywhere. So i'm wondering how you can understand and appreciate, and properly comment on some of this? You're not a part of greek life, you've never been a part of greek life, and you've never had a responsible position in greek life.

I'm not dogging you, i'm just trying to understand how you feel that you can properly assess this situation without knowing what it all really means?:confused:

I never claimed to be a part of Greek life...and that was why I was stating my opinion as a person, not a a member of a Greek organization. I also have attended many sorority events and actually have attended Biker Bash and know a LOT of Sigma Chi's and I believe that gives me some right to participate in a discussion about them...\
I have been a member of many organizations that are exclusive in membership..I know what it means to represent an organization...That is not something that only Greeks are privy too. I also attend UF, which was also a part of the discussion. And I have a best friend in almost every house on campus...So i do know quite a bit more that the average student. I'm also involved in a lot of the same clubs as most Greeks, like staff events at school, homecoming, etc. so I know how a lot of them view these situations...etc.

And I really don't think me not being Greek impairs my opinion on this in any way...but whatever you believe is fine. I was just giving my opinion, sorry if it's not one that is good enough for you because I'm not in a sorority.

"All in fun"
 

It worries me to see people doing disturbing things to women and then saying "It's all in fun."

There's a lot of talk here about the reputation of the Thetas, but I'm a lot more concerned about the Sigma Chis. What does it say about these guys that they would have fun degrading a girl this way -- even when it's "all in fun"? Maybe the seniors are reading the women carefully to determine who is enjoying herself and who feels pressured (maybe)...but what about the pledges? What lesson are impressionable 18-year-old boys going to carry away from this party? Is it going to be "Consenting adults can enjoy themselves however they please," or is it going to be, "These sorority women love to humiliate themselves for us; they're here for our entertainment; it's cool to degrade chicks!"

The pictures with the kneeling women reminded me of something that happened to a good friend of mine when she was a freshman. She went to a fraternity party at UVA, met a guy she liked, and eventually performed a certain activity on him in what she thought was a private area of the house. At the conclusion of said activity, he pointed to the window...and she saw six of his brothers clapping. He admitted he'd set the whole thing up, but told her it was all in fun because he thought she would be into that.

She wasn't. And it took her years to get over it. A lot of UF women are going to have experiences like my friend -- or worse -- if the guys all learn from their big brothers that women love it when you treat them like crap.

Ivy

You said it well Ivy!!!

If this or anyother Greek Org. has the demeaning aspect about themselves, then they should be gone period!!!:mad: One individual, suspended, if the total Org. Gone if it was not pre-arranged!?

I for one was never raised to treat a lady like this and it is sickening to me!

It's a harsh lesson to be learned, but the way you act in public will follow you throughout your life (or stages of your life).

These sorority girls who participated in this will have a rep - one that which a house would not be proud of. And believe me, they will do what they can to "clean it up."

Now, if a girl who is not in a sorority makes a spectacle of herself - like sucking on dildos or other demeaning things, she will get a reputation that will follow her. And if this girl wants to go through Rush, well, people REMEMBER.

You see, when someone is a "frequent party girl" (or perhaps, has a reputation that girls in sororities would be aware of), this is a valid reason to drop a rushee. No one wants a girl with low morals to belong to their house - if one sister knows about low morals, forget it - no question that girl is dropped. You could be roommates with a sister or best friends since birth, but no chapter - esp. one at UF - will take a risk on a girl who already has a rep.

Not to mention, fraternity boys always call sorority members during rush and say, "You DON'T want that girl as a member of your house."

So, these girls who are already IN a house might feel that they don't have to impress anyone. Not true. They will at least face their standards boards internally - and that is something any of us, as outsiders, won't hear about. Chapter members often don't even know when someone is called to standards. It's not something that is publicized.

Oh well...perhaps this would be better off posted in the RUSH forum...maybe we should continue this there, if we're drifting from the original topic..

Yea well, my chapter has tradition too.....we just got busted again as well. Looks like things are about to get nasty at UF.

I got to hang out with a bunch of Sigs at the FL/GA weekend at the landing....and man was it a blast! :-) I asked them about the whole thing and they said first of all it wasn't bourbon...it was tea they put in jim beam bottles. One of the brothers said,"were not going to waste $30 of good liquor by pouring it out on someone, thats ludicris." And the other thing they said was it wasn't maggots, they were meal worms. And a lot of the sorority girls were begging to be involved in the announcing, and look forward to stuff getting done to them every year like this. I personally thing thats wierd but hey girls do crazy things at UF. Not saying that what happened was ok, but if you do this for years on end, you don't think that its wrong. Especially when the girls are egging the brothers on to do it to them. I wasn't there, but this is what i heard from the sigs and the sorority there.

Who'd you meet?


Beau? Maston? Todd? Jake? Matt?


Myself and T-lemly are friends.....I've known him since I was 15 as well have the names I mentioned above. We go way back. I'm the only one chose not to join Sigmachi.

Just an update on this situation...last week the independent student newspaper, the Alligator, ran a tasteless cartoon about Sigma Chis and Thetas in the opinion section. As a result, the presidents of all the sororities at UF (I don't know about the fraternities) had a round table discussion. They all had their own respective chapters vote on whether or not to give the Alligator any business for the time being. My chapter decided to not advertise in or give any business to the newspaper for the rest of the school year, and to revote next year. This is kind of a big deal since Greeks run ads for Grab-a-Dates and philanthropies and announce their new pledge classes in the Alligator. So we'll see what happens.

Good. The Alligator has always believed to have been "anti-greek" though they happily take our ad money (who wouldn't?).

Of course, any newspaper only reports the juicy bits on anyone. People love dirty laundry.

I am interested to know how long your chapter will continue this moratorium. How did the other sororities vote?

Is there a news venue on campus other than the Alligator? From what I've seen, large schools often have several newspapers even if they're not school sanctioned.

We used to have the Gator Times (formerly known as Orange and Blue), but it went out of business. Either way, it was never close to being as popular as the alligator. It was only printed twice a week, and I couldn't stand reading the articles b/c of the mistakes.

Currently there is the Gator Standard, but it's sketchy to me. I don't know when it's printed, or even how to get it. If you happen to get one shoved in your face as you're walking to class... then you get one.

But to answer... the Alligator is very popular. You can find it everywhere on campus, and even some off-campus locations (i got it at a gas station once). Buses and classrooms are littered with copies....

It's just what you read when you don't want to listen to your professor. :)

Plus, the Alligator IS independent - it's not affiliated with the university & doesn't depend on the administration for anything.

We're boycotting the Alligator for the rest of the fall and also Spring 2003. Next year we're going to reassess the situation and vote in chapter again.

I think it's about time we do something like this...the Alligator has had negative articles on Greeks every day lately and non-Greeks must think we're out of our minds.

As for advertising, we're just going to have to look for other ways to get the word out. During our discussion about this before we voted, someone mentioned that the only people who read Greek ads are Greeks, and they've heard about whatever it is by word of mouth anyway.

I'm just happy that when stuff like this happens in the Greek community, we all band together. Whenever somehing comes up, it's usually brought up in chapter...we're given the facts and told how to respond tactfully if someone (esp. a non-Greek) asks about it. We're behind Theta and Sigma Chi all the way.

I don't know if you know this yet or not, but... instead of punishing Sigma Chi, I believe they made some sort of rule at a recent IFC meeting against announcing in character of the event. Although this may prevent further problems, I don't see how boys announcing in board shorts for a beach event could be so harmful? I don't know though, they know more than I do so this is probably a good thing.