Older woman's perspective
 

If any gentleman whom I've been dating for a while (I'm not a one-night stand type of woman) would even deign to give me drugs to make me more comfortable prior to intercourse, I would say no. Then I would either walk out or ask him to leave.

Being that I'm 38 and want to date men in their 40s or older, I don't expect that to happen at all to me.
:)

I was in error on the "animal tranquilizer" point. So was the TV reporter who identified GHB as such in a story on our Delt brother who died after taking GHB and alcohol.

So, I did a GHB search on the web. I read about ten articles -- mostly from the FDA, AMA, etc., but also from a couple of organizations who defend the use of GHB and Ketamine as "harmless" (club) drugs.

In ALL cases, the two were listed in the same sentence -- with Ketamine being described as the weaker of the two, and being described as an animal tranquilizer. GHB was mostly described as a depressent which affects the central nervous system.

So, while I was incorrect, I would argue that a "moron" might more likely be considered as someone who is dumb enough to take or defend the use of a now illegal drug which has been apparantely linked with date rape and death by medical examiners and other experts in the field, including a drug company who formerly manufactured the drug.

Finally, "name calling" as a propaganda (argument) technique is a very weak and almost always ineffective tool among people who are of reasonable intelligence.

If I were talking to one of my children, I would tell them to grow up. And then, given the topic, I would hope they live long enough to do that.

Carnation knows from reading other posts that I have a daughter who was seriously addicted to drugs and went through a difficult detox program.

Thankfully, she realized that she was in grave danger and has been sober for several years.

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Applaude all you guys want.....


He's apologizing for looking like a little bit*h because he was wrong and is somehow trying to turn it around on me by making me look like an idiot for, what he assumes, condoning such a drug.

Why can't we all just make our respective points without calling each other "little b*tches"?

I mean really...

UF-PIKE, you bring up valid points many times over! DeltaAlum is right more times thatn not!

He is not digging the Greek Community, but passing along for OUR Edification and knowledge! See!

We are not all as knowledgeable as you on so many subjects, but we do have our ideas about it!

I do not at all agree about your use of drugs whether over the counter or not! The FDA can be morons at best!

But your usage of the language calling and accusing and confronting each one who questions you should change very quickly!

The problem is, that sometimes your knowledge and self importance gets in the way!

Do you read me?

Chill it man, you are to sharp to act like a dull!:o

OMFG...hahahahahahahaha

Chalk that one up to the greatest GC quote of all time.

You are giving people here and elsewhere way too much credit.

Name calling, character bashing/assassination is the preferred method of argument for most people.

We all have experienced it, and its usually done behind-the-back. Or in-the-back?

Its the one friend that always seems to stir up drama and shit and make people choose sides.

Its the people in the chapter that hate someone, or are bitter and resentful, and so destroy someone in private until that person has no public standing either. A lot of chapter elections are won that way. And real world ones.

Its the EX that speaks so badly about you that people actually hate you when they meet you.

Or the enemy that does the same thing.

The sad thing is: It works. Thats why people do it.

If they can discredit the messenger they know that people will disbelieve the message. Kind of sad, but there it is.

Which always depends on the circumstances.
Name calling/heckling/bashing/personal attack, call it what you want, it may be a way for someone to discredit the sender and the message but you must also take into consideration that when a person resorts to these types of agrumentative styles, they have also discredited themself.

Man you are all little b*tches. Here's one tip for no matter what kind of drug you are on. Don't fear the reaper, go pass out. On your stomach with no arms underneath you. Peace out and be safe.

Yes but only to the disciminating reader lol.

But Uf_pike's comment was not in the character assassination category it was just made unwisely.

Ah More Bards Upon Avon than the little Sisters of the Sea!

If all of this bullshit is supposed to impress anyone, it anit working!

Get over your self importantance and get on with the real world. This is not the land of Nod!

Yes I get very involved with my peoples, so get head out of asses and try to be socially involved!

If You do not like what I have posted, YOU CAN KISS MY ROSIE RED A#$!

Good nite Yea Of Little Faith!:D

We who are about to crqash salut4e youse!:D

But I'm talking about more than just the written word, I'm talking about the spoken word as well.

I guess what it comes down to, for myself anyway is that when someone resorts to this type of debating style, they don't know how to hold a true debate. Sure, people lose their cool now and again, but when you begin to see such a pattern, it can very much damper your view(s) on that person.

Basically for me, if a person stoops to that level it shows they are of weak character. And at that point, for myself anyway, all credibility on the part of that person is lost.

First of all, I have to applaud DeltAlum... you are an extremely knowledgable man and I believe (and I don't care what anyone else believes) that every post you make is dignified and well-worded. I have true respect for you.

Second, since when did this become a lecture on name-calling? I might as well just go and tattle on my little sister or something. Goodness, we're all adults, let's act like adults. If you don't like what someone has to say, who cares?

Finally, whether or not Greekgirl8 is legitimately posing her question or not, the issue at hand is extremely important. I have had sisters claim to have been drugged at a specifc fraternity. Unfortunately, there is no backup to these claims. Yes, the sisters who claim this were extremely drunk, and they aren't girls who usually hang out with this fraternity. While the fraternity in question may not be my favorite of all time, I have respect for many of their members, and they have undergone too much interrogation in the past regarding drugs to do something as horrible as drugging girls at a party. I know I should believe my sisters, but when they've been trash-talking these guys and then make a claim like that, it's hard to believe.

There are always the random guys and girls at parties, some there just to start trouble. Which is why girls should not go to parties where they don't know at least one of the guys involved, and they should be sure to get to know the ones who are hosting the party! That way, they can be sure that someone will watch out for them, other than just their sisters. And every sorority, club, or group of friends should have some sort of backup in case the inevitable does happen and someone gets drugged, too drunk or just plain totaled at a party or event. You can never be too prepared...

I think DeltaAlum has shown that if he is wrong, he will say it flat out and investigate before he reposts! That is what a good man does.

I know nothing of drugs except what I saw on the streets and what it did to people and the people they hurt to get money for the drugs!:mad:

If certain drugs are illegal, then that is just what they are, illegal.

Go to prison and tell me I am wrong!:eek:

regardless of weightlifting and legality type stuff i feel compeled to say RAPE IS WRONG

How well does a guy need to function to be bent over and ass-Raped? I'm confused. :confused:

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How odd of you to say that Steeltrap. Almost every man I know has used date rape drugs to make his life easier at one point or another.

The most common date-rape-drug, used in like 99.9 percent of date rapes, acquaintance rape and Gee-I-Regret-I-Did-That-Last-Night-Lets-Ruin-His-Life-Rape, is alcohol.

ITs awesome stuff.

Common techniques to use it to take advantage of females are:

Let me buy you a drink?

Lets do a shot!

You're a wuss, you drink like a girl, you can't hang!

If you hear anything like that, any variation, run! Any guy that offers to buy you a drink, shot, hands you a drink etc, is trying to get into your pants, and to look at some of the posts here, trying to use a date-rape-drug to make it easier.

So remember, just run away.

Pardon Me while I puke my guts up!:(

Ever see Deliverence?:confused:

Re: Re: Re: Re: re: coasters
 

The difference I see is that women generally have a choice whether to begin drinking. Being slipped a powerful drug without their knowledge is something entirely different.

Granted at some point judgement becomes impaired, but the option to quit before that point is always there.

Besides, a guy might choose a "mean drunk" and get his butt kicked.

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I agree, but a common definition of date rape now is to have sex with an inebriated girl.

In fact, there have been arguments, and its been advanced on our campus, that even one drink can be too many if the girl chooses to take exception the next day.

So the guys is supposed to assess the degree of inebriation, willingness and basically take an educated guess based on risk.

Also, and ladies feel free to chime in, I have heard girls say in the past:

"He got me drunk and took advantage of me, he's a jerk (or stronger word)"

Or

"He took advantage of me while I was drunk . . ."

So isn't that the same scenario just using alcohol to create a more fertile environement for sex?

But I do agree that its more extreme to say slip a drug that renders you unconscious into a drink, carry you out, and rape an unconscious body.

NO WAY!!! how can you even compare the 2????? being SLIPPED something that you don't know about is NOT the same as choosing to drink. "more fertile environment"????? that is just disgusting. how can you say that????

and YES, guys can take advantage of a girl when she is drunk. there is a difference between choosing to drink with a guy and getting yourself drunk, and being drunk already and a guy takes advantage of that. huge difference. is this the case all the time? of course not. but to say that women always cry foul and it is never the guy's fault is sickening.

And to say that it never happens is just as sickening.

agreed

When is the guy taking advantage of the girl when she wants to have sex but she is drunk?

At what point is he supposed to say:

"Wooaaahh Nelly! We need to get you back to the stable, Frisky little philly like you doesn't want to be ridden when you are in that state! Obviously you just aren't thinking clearly." :D

Actully it is the same thing. IF the girl is too drunk to turn down another drink, or even if it isn't, but you paid for the beer or whatever or got it for her or handed it to, its the same as slipping her a roofie. It is now, anyway.

I agree with everything said here. You're an idiot DeltAlum