Originally Posted by Zach (Post 2500114)

Probably. But there’s a plethora of empirical evidence that supports the idea that white people have a hard time accepting black leadership. I think that’s part of what that white woman’s issue was.

Originally Posted by Zach (Post 2500109)

My guess about her background was just based on what she looked like. That’s stereotyping, which is what I was doing. We were talking about race and stereotyping on another thread and another member of this site called me out by telling me everybody is guilty of stereotyping, so I’m not hiding it. I doubt she even finished high school. With you, that just comes down to a lack of exposure. If you’re not exposed to something, how would you know? The fact that you’re educated and have been exposed to Greek life, you were made aware that BGLO are Greek organizations like WGLO. You gotta remember, we started ours because we weren’t allowed in yours due to skin color during the turn of the 20th century.

To put a side note to Sen’s Revenge’s post about the low class white woman not liking an upper class black woman exerting power over her, that’s really more of a fact than an opinion. I believe that because black success isn’t what white America signed up for when enslaved Africans were brought to America. Blacks were never meant to be prosperous, or powerful, or even educated, and measures were put in place during and after slavery to ensure that they did not rise above their prescribed station. Even though America’s slave-owning whites are long dead, versions of the structures they established still linger, affecting people’s attitudes, beliefs, and expectations or prescriptions for who should be in power. That low class white woman has those same beliefs because it was passed down to her that she is “better” than the most educated black person. So that could be the very reason is made news. I don’t believe all whites share the same attitude as she does, but generally uneducated whites like her don’t know any better. Although there are some educated whites who share the same beliefs too.

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy (Post 2500115)

Originally Posted by Sen's Revenge (Post 2500084)

I think it is important to consider several issues of a larger order here.

First, why is this news? How did it become news? What are the cultural and intercultural issues at play here which make it newsworthy? My impression was that it was because it involved a young child.

Why did the parent feel that her child's anonymity was less important than bringing this to a news outlet? This is a very good point! Usually parents are screaming that their child's privacy was violated.

Would a Black family have had more awareness of the taboo of wearing Greek symbols and signs? I don't know.

Why is the taboo around this seemingly de-emphasized? I think because it's just a shirt (yes, it's just a shirt) and it involved a child.

What role do the norms around predominantly white GLOs play in our own opinions about this? Example: Your "new members" can usually wear letters, but ours cannot. I don't know.

I am not saying that the teacher was correct in her execution of this, but she's entitled to be offended by something that is important to her. A note home without the wardrobe change might have sufficed. Very good points. I think the note home would have more than sufficed.

My opinion is that a lower class white woman was offended by an upper-class Black woman exerting power over her in a fairly embarrassing way*, and decided to go full throttle on the retaliation by involving the media. I don't know.

This should not have been news. I used to work in print and broadcast media. Quite honestly it was probably a slow news day. :rolleyes:

*and this has happened so often over the years on this very website, I know exactly how this conversation will turn out lol

Originally Posted by carnation (Post 2500111)

I have taught for 50 years and I guarantee y'all that if any teacher took any shirt from any child here, it would make the news.

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy (Post 2500115)

Originally Posted by lake (Post 2500125)

Wow...50 years! How do you still have an intact mind!? I bet nothing scares you! :D

Originally Posted by carnation (Post 2500127)

Also, I have 13 children and 18 grandchildren. I have no tolerance for drama or crap. I wanna just teach, period.

Originally Posted by carnation (Post 2500127)

Also, I have 13 children and 18 grandchildren. I have no tolerance for drama or crap. I wanna just teach, period.

Originally Posted by carnation (Post 2500136)

Teaching without drama and crap? Well, there's a huge number of teachers at school who are over 50 (and even 60) and we have reputations for having low tolerance of screwing around. I mean, we have fun in our classes but we don't put up with disruptions.

Originally Posted by Sen's Revenge (Post 2500084)

I think it is important to consider several issues of a larger order here.

First, why is this news? How did it become news? What are the cultural and intercultural issues at play here which make it newsworthy?

Why did the parent feel that her child's anonymity was less important than bringing this to a news outlet?

Would a Black family have had more awareness of the taboo of wearing Greek symbols and signs?

Why is the taboo around this seemingly de-emphasized?

What role do the norms around predominantly white GLOs play in our own opinions about this? Example: Your "new members" can usually wear letters, but ours cannot.

I am not saying that the teacher was correct in her execution of this, but she's entitled to be offended by something that is important to her. A note home without the wardrobe change might have sufficed.

My opinion is that a lower class white woman was offended by an upper-class Black woman exerting power over her in a fairly embarrassing way*, and decided to go full throttle on the retaliation by involving the media.

This should not have been news.

*and this has happened so often over the years on this very website, I know exactly how this conversation will turn out lol

Originally Posted by lake (Post 2500126)

I would love to just sit down and drink beer with you and talk $#!+. Good times! :D

Originally Posted by carnation (Post 2500136)

Teaching without drama and crap? Well, there's a huge number of teachers at school who are over 50 (and even 60) and we have reputations for having low tolerance of screwing around. I mean, we have fun in our classes but we don't put up with disruptions.

Originally Posted by carnation (Post 2500136)

Teaching without drama and crap? Well, there's a huge number of teachers at school who are over 50 (and even 60) and we have reputations for having low tolerance of screwing around. I mean, we have fun in our classes but we don't put up with disruptions.