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33girl 11-19-2023 11:57 AM

School Panhels can’t prevent anyone from participating because of grades because it is the individual sororities that determine what GPA they require. Fiona Failedeveryclass might have a 1.3, but she might also be a 5 generation legacy to XYZ with more money than God and they are willing to take her on as a “grade risk.” Flies in the face of our groups’ “commitment to scholarship” but that’s XYZ’s prerogative.

33girl 12-21-2023 11:08 AM

https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023/12...gender-member/

honeychile 12-21-2023 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2501813)

Thank you for sharing, 33.

FSUZeta 12-21-2023 07:56 PM

One of those 450 brave Kappas is a friend who grew up down the street from my parents home. To say I am proud of her is an understatement!

owlsandkeys 01-08-2024 01:54 PM

Rules were broken or disregarded to force this person's way into the sorority. From what I understand, he was not eligible for membership at the time he received a bid or at the time of initiation. His membership should be voided based on that criteria alone.

shirley1929 01-13-2024 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2501017)
School Panhels can’t prevent anyone from participating because of grades because it is the individual sororities that determine what GPA they require. Fiona Failedeveryclass might have a 1.3, but she might also be a 5 generation legacy to XYZ with more money than God and they are willing to take her on as a “grade risk.” Flies in the face of our groups’ “commitment to scholarship” but that’s XYZ’s prerogative.

I don't think that's true...Tulane Panhellenic's website says the following:
"*We strongly recommend making refundable airline reservations in case students' final fall academic record makes them ineligible to participate; those who are ineligible will not be able to move into their residence halls"

https://greek.tulane.edu/panhellenic...il-recruitment

shirley1929 01-13-2024 12:42 PM

Here are their requirements:

Eligibility Requirements
To be eligible to participate in recruitment or intake, prospective members must:

be a full-time, degree-seeking Tulane student
have earned 12 hours with a minimum 2.5 cumulative GPA in those hours.
For students whose first semester of enrollment at Tulane will be Spring 2024, at least 6 of those 12 hours must be from graded, college-level courses accepted for credit by Newcomb-Tulane College. Because you will not have a Tulane GPA, we will use grades in all college-level courses you have taken from Summer 2023 forward to calculate your GPA and determine your eligibility. This means we will include any grades below a C if the class is approved to transfer, even though you would not earn Tulane credit, per university policy. Courses that have not been approved for transfer into the Newcomb-Tulane College will not contribute toward this calculation.
be in good standing with Tulane University.
For the purposes of recruitment and intake, good standing is defined as not having received a Student Conduct sanction of Disciplinary Probation or Deferred Suspension and not being placed on Honor Board Probation for academic misconduct.
not found responsible for a drug possession violation.
successfully complete all (6) components of our Potential New Member Education series. All information about these programs will be sent at the beginning of each fall semester month to students' Tulane email. Most requirements will be completed through the PNM Ed Series Canvas page. Students may self-enroll in the Canvas course. After November 30th, students will be manually added to the course based on registration.
Alcohol Education: My Choices, Our Legacy
Equity, Diversity & Inclusion: EverFi Training
Hazing Prevention: Tulane Hazing Prevention Module
Sexual Violence Prevention: Sexual Literacy
QPR: Question, Persuade, and Refer
Small Group Session w/ Greek Ambassadors: All potential new members MUST attend a small group session. Students can register for a session via the Office of Fraternity & Sorority Programs WaveSync page. Completion of other PNM Education Series requirements is not required to register for a session.
Specific questions regarding this program can be sent to greek@tulane.edu
These are the minimum requirements set by the University. Each fraternity or sorority has its own policies regarding membership, and many groups have higher requirements.

Pinkmagnolia921 02-08-2024 09:07 PM

Kappa Alumnae Sueing Kappa for "fast tracking" a Transgender Woman for Leadership Positions, which may include National President. She is an alumna initiate and was formerly a member of Sigma Pi Fraternity.

https://cowboystatedaily.com/2024/02...to-leadership/

Washington Times Article. "The sorority has seen its dues-paying alumnae membership drop by 48% since 2020, while more than 1,368 members have signed a petition calling for the council to preserve its role as a single-sex organization, according to the complaint."

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-sorority-con/

Pinkmagnolia921 02-08-2024 09:11 PM

Sorry for double posting.

carnation 02-08-2024 10:12 PM

I am just...openmouthed. I wonder if the KKG Grand Council is standing up there, "bravely" making their stand, as they have lost almost half their contributions. Great hill to die on, ladies.

FSUZeta 02-08-2024 11:42 PM

Did y’all catch this line from the WaPo article: “Further, all 26 organizations that are members of the National Panhellenic Conference have policies, like Kappa, that allow their collegiate chapters to admit transgender women.” ( from an official Kappa statement)

Pinkmagnolia921 02-09-2024 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by carnation (Post 2503615)
I am just...openmouthed. I wonder if the KKG Grand Council is standing up there, "bravely" making their stand, as they have lost almost half their contributions. Great hill to die on, ladies.

It is really difficult to fathom. I wonder what monetary percentage those 48% represent? Could be much more that 48% of total dollars, if those alumnae are older and wealthier.

Cheerio 02-09-2024 01:06 AM

Be Bold!

carnation 02-09-2024 07:03 AM

Interested in seeing how some of these organizations are planning to keep their big mansions going.

TLLK 02-09-2024 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkmagnolia921 (Post 2503610)
Kappa Alumnae Sueing Kappa for "fast tracking" a Transgender Woman for Leadership Positions, which may include National President. She is an alumna initiate and was formerly a member of Sigma Pi Fraternity.

https://cowboystatedaily.com/2024/02...to-leadership/

Washington Times Article. "The sorority has seen its dues-paying alumnae membership drop by 48% since 2020, while more than 1,368 members have signed a petition calling for the council to preserve its role as a single-sex organization, according to the complaint."

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-sorority-con/

Wow! Alumnae membership has dropped 48%???



I wonder if Ms. Tracey Nadzieja has had any previous leadership roles with Sigma Pi that would make this individual an excellent candidate for KKG's national leadership?

LaneSig 02-09-2024 11:36 AM

Point of Order:

Doesn't the fact that Tracey Nadzieja had previously been a member of Sigma Pi disallow membership in Kappa Kappa Gamma?

Would that fall under "not being a member of another group or similar type"?

ASTalumna06 02-09-2024 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TLLK (Post 2503628)
Wow! Alumnae membership has dropped 48%???

Dues-paying alumnae. They're still members of the org, but they're not contributing monetarily.

bevinpiphi 02-09-2024 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FSUZeta (Post 2503621)
Did y’all catch this line from the WaPo article: “Further, all 26 organizations that are members of the National Panhellenic Conference have policies, like Kappa, that allow their collegiate chapters to admit transgender women.” ( from an official Kappa statement)

We had a trans member in the late 2000's - but she had been socially transitioned since high school. She however got in on her own merits, and met all academic requirements for the chapter.

carnation 02-09-2024 01:12 PM

Ole boy here had around a 1.7.

33girl 02-09-2024 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by LaneSig (Post 2503630)
Point of Order:

Doesn't the fact that Tracey Nadzieja had previously been a member of Sigma Pi disallow membership in Kappa Kappa Gamma?

Would that fall under "not being a member of another group or similar type"?

Yes.

Quite frankly, if I was Sigma Pi I'd be kinda pissed at being tossed for a larger and more prestigious organization. It sounds like they were absolutely willing - in fact, welcoming - to let her stay involved after her transition.

33girl 02-09-2024 04:38 PM

Has anyone ever heard of going directly from a province director to national president? I know all our groups have different names for things, but there are usually a LOT of steps in between unless the national organization is VERY small.

Here's my biggest question, and I realize how it's going to sound. Over lo these many years of posting on GC, KKG has never struck me as one of the more liberal or open-minded groups on a national scale. In fact, the polar opposite. When and how did that change? Was there a leadership coup or something? Or is this something that came from the collegiate chapters and trickled up?

33girl 02-09-2024 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bevinpiphi (Post 2503634)
We had a trans member in the late 2000's - but she had been socially transitioned since high school. She however got in on her own merits, and met all academic requirements for the chapter.

I'm betting all 26 groups have had transgender members (whether they know it or not). Just as back in the day, groups who weren't admitting Black or Asian or Jewish people had some Black or Asian or Jewish people on their rolls. You can get a lot accomplished if you're wise enough to keep your mouth shut.

navane 02-09-2024 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2503638)
Has anyone ever heard of going directly from a province director to national president?


Has anyone ever heard of going directly from 2020 alumna initiate to province director?

carnation 02-09-2024 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by navane (Post 2503656)
Has anyone ever heard of going directly from 2020 alumna initiate to province director?

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2503638)
Has anyone ever heard of going directly from a province director to national president?

THESE. BOTH of these. :mad:

Pinkmagnolia921 02-10-2024 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2503638)
Has anyone ever heard of going directly from a province director to national president? I know all our groups have different names for things, but there are usually a LOT of steps in between unless the national organization is VERY small.

Here's my biggest question, and I realize how it's going to sound. Over lo these many years of posting on GC, KKG has never struck me as one of the more liberal or open-minded groups on a national scale. In fact, the polar opposite. When and how did that change? Was there a leadership coup or something? Or is this something that came from the collegiate chapters and trickled up?

Great Question!

UVASquirrel 02-10-2024 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaneSig (Post 2503630)
Point of Order:

Doesn't the fact that Tracey Nadzieja had previously been a member of Sigma Pi disallow membership in Kappa Kappa Gamma?

Would that fall under "not being a member of another group or similar type"?

I don't know about anyone else, but our requirements for Alumnae Initiation state that they can't be an initiated member of any other NPC, NPHC or Multi-Cultural group. We don't have any rule about men's groups.

carnation 02-10-2024 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by UVASquirrel (Post 2503661)
I don't know about anyone else, but our requirements for Alumnae Initiation state that they can't be an initiated member of any other NPC, NPHC or Multi-Cultural group. We don't have any rule about men's groups.

I bet no one ever thought it would come to this, though.

honeychile 02-10-2024 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by UVASquirrel (Post 2503661)
I don't know about anyone else, but our requirements for Alumnae Initiation state that they can't be an initiated member of any other NPC, NPHC or Multi-Cultural group. We don't have any rule about men's groups.

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Originally Posted by carnation (Post 2503662)
I bet no one ever thought it would come to this, though.

PLEASE, let this insanity stop! Let the powers that be realize the oaths that were broken, and will continue to be broken in the quest to destroy the very concept of sorority!

TLLK 02-10-2024 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by UVASquirrel (Post 2503661)
I don't know about anyone else, but our requirements for Alumnae Initiation state that they can't be an initiated member of any other NPC, NPHC or Multi-Cultural group. We don't have any rule about men's groups.

I'm unfamiliar with the specifics of Delta Gamma's Alumnae Initiate requirements but I would assume that they're similar to your group's.

It's part of Delta Gamma's history that our founders agreed to have a male initiate in order to establish chapters outside of the South. This was during the 19th century though. Phi Delta Theta's George Banta was instrumental in establishing chapters in the norther part of the country.

Phrozen Sands 02-10-2024 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by honeychile (Post 2503665)
PLEASE, let this insanity stop! Let the powers that be realize the oaths that were broken, and will continue to be broken in the quest to destroy the very concept of sorority!

When honeychile speaks with exclamation marks, y’all better listen Lol. I hear you. I had to lane swerve when I read this.

carnation 02-10-2024 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands (Post 2503668)
When honeychile speaks with exclamation marks, y’all better listen Lol. I hear you. I had to lane swerve when I read this.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

FSUZeta 02-10-2024 01:32 PM

But is it not be a member of an NPC sorority or to not be a member of another group? I suspect it is the former, so technically Sigma Pi would not be seen as a conflict. But then, when our constitutions were written, the curious situation we find ourselves in now, was not sitting on the front porch drinking iced tea.

honeychile 02-10-2024 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands (Post 2503668)
When honeychile speaks with exclamation marks, y’all better listen Lol. I hear you. I had to lane swerve when I read this.

You flatter me, Phrozen Sands! And I love it! :D

Cheerio 02-10-2024 06:40 PM

;) It's a plot to encourage stronger alumnae ties and volunteer service from older, more experienced initiates, thus possibly preventing allegedly subversive actions by those already holding powerful official positions.

Phrozen Sands 02-10-2024 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by honeychile (Post 2503677)
You flatter me, Phrozen Sands! And I love it! :D

I’m just preaching facts Lol

naraht 02-10-2024 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TLLK (Post 2503667)
I'm unfamiliar with the specifics of Delta Gamma's Alumnae Initiate requirements but I would assume that they're similar to your group's.

It's part of Delta Gamma's history that our founders agreed to have a male initiate in order to establish chapters outside of the South. This was during the 19th century though. Phi Delta Theta's George Banta was instrumental in establishing chapters in the norther part of the country.

These days, I'd expect a situation like with George Banta to be done with Honorary membership (Not sure on the rules on honorary memberships of men in the NPC) and the person that comes to mind as being in a situation situation to Banta in the year 2023 is Dr. Fran Becque who is a Pi Beta Phi sister.

33girl 02-10-2024 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by navane (Post 2503656)
Has anyone ever heard of going directly from 2020 alumna initiate to province director?

Depending on the circumstances of the alumna initiate - for example, a longtime chapter advisor who wasn't a sister but who has been around the sorority and its policies long enough to understand what's going on - I can see that being not an issue if the group was strapped for volunteers.

But as I have personal experience with an AI turned province director way too soon and the results thereof, I really need to tap out of this part of this discussion before I start sounding like a Quentin Tarantino movie.

Pinkmagnolia921 02-10-2024 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by naraht (Post 2503684)
These days, I'd expect a situation like with George Banta to be done with Honorary membership (Not sure on the rules on honorary memberships of men in the NPC) and the person that comes to mind as being in a situation situation to Banta in the year 2023 is Dr. Fran Becque who is a Pi Beta Phi sister.


I'm not sure what you mean about Fran?

Pinkmagnolia921 02-10-2024 11:39 PM

"Supporters of Nadzieja’s potential⁢ presidency argue *that his* qualifications* and commitment to LGBTQ advocacy make him an ideal* candidate for leadership. They believe that his presence could help KKG become more inclusive ⁣and progressive, reflecting the changing landscape of gender and identity."

https://www.conservativenewsdaily.ne...-says-lawsuit/

naraht 02-11-2024 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pinkmagnolia921 (Post 2503689)
I'm not sure what you mean about Fran?

That the person who to me seems to be the 21st century of George Banta in the fraternity world at the time that Delta Gamma gave him membership is Fran Becque (where an up and coming fraternity might be willing to give cross gender membership simply due to ability to help with all of the types of things that George Banta did)

(A compliment to Dr Becque)


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