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wsucalsigmakapp 11-11-2019 05:16 PM

Every chapter out there wants beautiful women, the problem I see is that most of our chapters also want women who are also focused on academic and philanthropic opportunities , and want women who have the same core values that our organizations represent. At this point, I feel feel like Alpha Phi isn't meeting the goals of the NPC, as harsh as this sounds, I have to wonder if the NPC should consider or threaten the idea of being a 25 member organization. I hate seeing all this, my aunt is an Alpha Phi, and she is distraught over the direction that the leadership is taking her organization. =(

33girl 11-11-2019 05:48 PM

The problem is so much of our membership selection is based on intangibles. If they were, across multiple schools, violating a rule that is tangible and quantifiable, NPC could act with no problem. Like if chapters across the country were initiating women who weren’t matriculated students.

Sororitysock 11-11-2019 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by VioletsAreBlue (Post 2471378)
I'm confused. They say there is a smoking gun, they've seen a presentation that was given a year and a half ago, with "case studies." So why just post a summary?

Alpha Phi has repeatedly denied this is happening, using expulsion and threats of losing volunteer positions against those who internally disagree. They denied the Michigan expose was the truth. With that in mind, an internal Alpha Phi presentation outlining this process is most certainly a smoking gun. 100% proof that women are not making this up.

FormerlyKnownAs 11-11-2019 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sororitysock (Post 2471390)
Alpha Phi has repeatedly denied this is happening, using expulsion and threats of losing volunteer positions against those who internally disagree. They denied the Michigan expose was the truth. With that in mind, an internal Alpha Phi presentation outlining this process is most certainly a smoking gun. 100% proof that women are not making this up.


Well, when the IO President resigns to accept a huge payday as their Foundation's ED...shady behavior begins from the top.

The fact that both discussions on Greekchat and Reddit were mysteriously removed leads many to believe that Alpha Phi is hiding something.

33girl 11-11-2019 07:37 PM

I just wanted to clarify that the removal of the thread on here was an honest mistake and not compelled by anyone or any group.

FormerlyKnownAs 11-15-2019 01:52 AM

Read it all on Reddit!

33girl 11-15-2019 05:42 AM

What is the legal reasoning for having to keep a strong division between the national housing corp and executive office? I mean I know this makes sense, but my menopausal brain just can’t put it into words.

Rod D 11-15-2019 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2471466)
What is the legal reasoning for having to keep a strong division between the national housing corp and executive office? I mean I know this makes sense, but my menopausal brain just can’t put it into words.

The housing corp is likely judgement proof as it's only asset is probably the house. The national org has deeper pockets. However, if anything happens nationals are sued anyway. It's like my lawyer said once -- "l can slow them down, but they will still win."

ASTalumna06 11-15-2019 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FormerlyKnownAs (Post 2471464)

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Hey there! Fellow alpha phi here. I have no documents to share but just wanted to say thank you. I was part of a top recruiting chapter and I hated what went on there. Recruitment was a harsh experience, made some of my sisters feel rejected, and our sisterhood was horrible. My chapter spent a ridiculous amount of money on recruitment and everything we did was to look fun for the pnms, not because we are a sorority that values the member experience.
:(

AZTheta 11-15-2019 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2471323)

Also - friend in heaven was banned only because of the site promotion. When the supermod who did it was informed of the situation they quickly undid it.

friendinheaven GC account is still banned - I just checked. Could the supermod undo it now? Asking for myself.

Back in the land of the living finally. Hate being unwell.

Kevin 11-15-2019 06:05 PM

Only the admin can unban.

LAblondeGPhi 11-19-2019 05:38 AM

Hi all, apparently it's been three years since I last logged in. Anyway, wanted to chime in.

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Originally Posted by ASTalumna06 (Post 2471363)
I attended my convention last year. Do we have some chapters that may put more of an emphasis on looks? Sure. But that's not a directive from our organization's leadership. And one of those chapters you could argue were the super pretty ones also took home one of our most highly-regarded awards that a chapter can receive, so...

This makes sense to me even/especially in a values-based recruitment system, though. Often the strongest chapters that have their absolute pick of recruits (let's suspend real life for a second and just do the logic game part of this) will be able to narrow down a pool of PNMs by ALL the important factors like personality, grades, involvement, leadership, kindness, etc. and STILL have more PNMs than they can take. For those chapters, even if looks are dead last on their recruitment criteria, if the PNM pool is big enough then they'll probably still wind up with a bunch of gorgeous girls.

It seems to me that recruiting primarily for looks is kind of like when animals in nature mimic the appearance of a poisonous cousin. They're taking advantage of our pre-conceived notions of what strong chapters look like based on the most cursory of reviews, and mimicking it superficially.

APhi2KD 11-24-2019 03:25 PM

And while that can happen naturally (birds of a feather...), that isn’t what is in question here. The question is if Noah is standing at the Ark’s gangway with a clipboard.

FormerlyKnownAs 01-02-2020 01:05 AM

Yet another example of Alpha Phi scoring PNMs and collegiate members based on their appearance

Based on posts from the whistleblower, it seems that Alpha Phi IHQ is more concerned with catching these members and members speaking out against them, rather than fixing the problem they've created. Terrible, not just for Alpha Phi, but for all Greek women.

Jen 01-02-2020 04:24 PM

I have decided not to write recs for Alpha Phi until we become an inclusive organization. Because you know EXACTLY who Alpha Phi doesn't want with these policies and fuck that.

anongreek 01-02-2020 04:55 PM

I just read the entire Google Doc, and my heart hurts for all of the girls involved. I think about all of the wonderful and talented sisters my sorority would have missed out on if we had policies such as these. Were looks some sort of factor in the process...perhaps. I think whether many Orgs want to admit it or not, big or small, it is always, silently, a factor. But, with that being said, what happened to all of our founding values?? What would our orgs founders say about this? I cannot imagine this way of recruiting aligning with their founding principles. I cannot believe their Nationals is (supposedly) playing a role in this. This seems like most Nationals absolute nightmare. How can they possibly think any of this is okay?

ForrestGrump 01-02-2020 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jen (Post 2472380)
I have decided not to write recs for Alpha Phi until we become an inclusive organization. Because you know EXACTLY who Alpha Phi doesn't want with these policies and fuck that.

Two of my close friends are Alpha Phi's, and both used to be involved in local alumnae organizations. Not any more. They are both so disappointed by what is going on. One of them (a woman of color who graduated from a top West Coast university) says that she has no doubt that her own chapter wouldn't look at her twice if she were to go through recruitment today. She sadly acknowledges that her own daughter, who will be a college freshman next fall, might not make the cut either (assuming she goes through recruitment).

Even if only half of what is being alleged is accurate, it's still really disheartening and damaging. And I can't really see how an organization would think they can benefit long-term from such policies. They may provide an initial boost to GR rankings and social media, but they aren't what build a strong and dedicated alumnae network.

TLLK 01-31-2020 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by anongreek (Post 2472381)
I just read the entire Google Doc, and my heart hurts for all of the girls involved. I think about all of the wonderful and talented sisters my sorority would have missed out on if we had policies such as these. Were looks some sort of factor in the process...perhaps. I think whether many Orgs want to admit it or not, big or small, it is always, silently, a factor. But, with that being said, what happened to all of our founding values?? What would our orgs founders say about this? I cannot imagine this way of recruiting aligning with their founding principles. I cannot believe their Nationals is (supposedly) playing a role in this. This seems like most Nationals absolute nightmare. How can they possibly think any of this is okay?


I too finally read the entire Google Doc and I was heartbroken and horrified. :(

anongreek 09-09-2020 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TLLK (Post 2473255)
I too finally read the entire Google Doc and I was heartbroken and horrified. :(

Yes! I just feel like that goes against the entire concept of sisterhood / brotherhood that these orgs were founded on.

TLLK 09-10-2020 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by anongreek (Post 2479233)
Yes! I just feel like that goes against the entire concept of sisterhood / brotherhood that these orgs were founded on.

I agree. What I read does not resemble the Alpha Phi sisters that I worked with on Panhellenic and that I knew in the early - mid 1980's. The active who was with me for Sisterhood and Preference was the kindest and sweetest sister who also happened to be African American. Based on what I read, I don't believe that she would have been extended a bid today.:(

anongreek 09-10-2020 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TLLK (Post 2479271)
I agree. What I read does not resemble the Alpha Phi sisters that I worked with on Panhellenic and that I knew in the early - mid 1980's. The active who was with me for Sisterhood and Preference was the kindest and sweetest sister who also happened to be African American. Based on what I read, I don't believe that she would have been extended a bid today.:(

That's breaks my heart. That's exactly what concerns me. We cut out so many talented, kind and smart people that would bring so much to the table, for the chapter....all because they aren't a 9/10 on our beauty scale? Think of everything the entire chapter stands to miss out on by only viewing people through the scope of beauty. Plus, beauty is one of those things that is purely based on someone's opinion. It has nothing to do with what they bring to the table to the sisterhood. We had sororities like that on our campus, but that's literally ALL that they were known for, besides being hard to deal with, and always coming in last in just about every other category that counted. It got to the point, alot of fraternities just didn't want to work with them anymore. They got tired of dealing with it.


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