Are you a soror? :confused:

Your a very mean person! Responding to a SIX year old thread? I saw Stan's post and thought he had returned. :( ::Off to pout in the corner::

I think TNX is a great organization, but that last post was over the top

How can you say that TNX is the best choice for anyone thinking of joining a sorority? Not everyone has the same wants and desires in their search for a sorority, and ANY organization could not possibly be a great fit for all. Would you want your sorority to be a "one size fits all" and taking anyone and everyone regardless of their ideals and abilities?

How can you guarantee that someone would never feel awkward? Everyone feels awkward at time, even around their best friends in the world. And a lot of people would feel awkward with everyone being so different!

Doesn't that create awkwardness?



Everyone thinks their own group is the best, but you can't make these over the top promises like a super-duper TNX infomercial

I've always found the concept of "multicultural" organizations to be pretty insulting. The implication being that when you say you "respect all cultures" is that other organizations don't. That simply isn't true. It's an ignorant and offensive statement.

Honestly, I feel the same way. When I was in college, about a week after I got initated into ADPi, a "Latina" GLO on my campus was recruiting on the campus green by the Student Union. As I passed they tried giving me an info brochure and I politely declined and then the girl went on to say about how they are for Latinas and how they accept hispanic women and whatnot. I told them I had already joined a sorority and politely declined again and kept walking. (I was also wearing a letter shirt that day? So maybe they just didn't see I was already greek?)

My sorority accepted me just fine, but thanks for offering.

I'd suggest you look into the many threads where mglo's have been discussed. You might find that it goes beyone "respect of all cultures";)

I agree.

The irony.

Educate yourself, as Ch2tf has suggested, and you will see that this has been discussed many times in many ways, all of which refute your notions of what MCGLOs are about.

A Latina sorority is not the same thing as a Multicultural sorority.

I do think is should be pointed out that Kevin didn't discuss "what MCGLOs are about". He stated why a statement that I have seen over and over again carries an implication that he doesn't like. The GLOs in question may not have meant to imply that other GLOs don't respect multicultural members, but I have to agree that I have a similar reaction when I read some MCGLO material.
I have far too many sisters of every size, shape and hue to believe that my GLO doesn't value women for those things we share - our intellect, our character, our love for one another - and doesn't discriminate on the basis of our differences.
I'm all for right of association. If you find sisterhood in a GLO that emphasizes your particular culture then good for you. The more, the merrier. But I do wish MCGLOs would emphasize their missions without seeming to have to imply that they and only they offer a multicultural sisterhood or a sisterhood that will embrace the pnm's culture.

I agree. :cool:

If your sorority does not emphasize MULTICULTURALISM in its program, history, mission, selection, etc., then it is not a sisterhood that is MULTICULTURAL by design.

AGAIN, this has been discussed ad nauseum here.

I just wanted to quote this to show an example of what I'm talking about. I find it ironic, since we are dealing in irony, that we are told "everyone is different" . . . but "you must set aside differences". And I like the idea that sisters aren't family.

Yes I realize they are not the same, but it made me feel like they were trying to imply that no other sorority on campus would accept me because I wasn't blonde w/ blue eyes or something when that simply was not the case.

It hasn't even been verified that the person you quoted is even a member.

Okay, not multicultural by design. But de facto multicultural. And what is being discussed here are the implications inherent in the way MCGLOs present themselves.
The same members who will whine and moan about their GLO not being respected will not extend the courtesy to others. Maybe they just don't give a damn how they are perceived - that's certainly the vibe I'm picking up - but I'm tired of being dismissed with "go educate yourself" when the question is not one of education.

Is there a verification process on GC that I am not aware of? Because to the best of my knowledge, I have not been verified. If the person I quoted is not a member and is not representing the GLO well, surely a verified member would jump in and correct it.

And no one has addressed the original complaint by Kevin that in the way they market themselves MCGLOs imply that other GLOs are not at all multicultural. If what they are trying to convey is that they are multicultural by design, then they should be specific and say so, imho.

No such thing. Diverse, yes. Multicultural, no.

You have entitlement issues.

I've seen the light . . .
 

Thank you, Dr. Senusret. Gee, you're right. I'm so ashamed of my entitlement issues - thinking all groups should be entitled to respect. It is so wrong of me to think that it might be possible for a MCGLO to market themselves sucessfully without insulting other greeks on their campus. Yes, I was wrong to think that all GLOs should both expect and extend respect to one another. Silly me - I have learned a valuable lesson, and a great deal about the truth of MCGLOs.

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i heart icanhasacheezburger!

I'm not a Doctor, but I'm glad I could be of some assistance.... no reason to be so hard on yourself, though.

Irony - it's what's for breakfast.

I was responding to a statement made by the individual about 2-3 posts above mine. I didn't use quotes, but apparently, you're the only one who wasn't able to figure that out.

I'm not responding to the mission-statement or anything like that, just the assertion that MCGLOs are the only organizations which will respect all cultures. An individual made that assertion, or rather asserted that by negative implication. I indicated that such a statement is ignorant and offensive.

There's no way around it though -- the very name "Multi Cultural GLO" implies that other organizations are not -- something which just isn't true.

Good for you, Kevin.

Kevin, don't you get it? They don't care if it is true or not! It's all about them, you see - and if we, members of the oldest GLOs, think otherwise, we need education. :rolleyes:

Your entitlement slip is showing again.

Ummm . . .that's a fact. It's not my sense of entitlement - my justifiable pride bothering you? Would you be happier if I had written "historically white GLOs"?

I think you have a sense of inferiority which leads to your defensive posture.

And I like how you never answer any points brought up by those you insult.

I haven't doubted my superiority to you personally for a second. :)

In your dreams, darling boy, in your dreams. :)

WOW.

We agree alot more than you'd like to admit.

Multi-cultural GLO's seem almost high-horsed about their mission for "multiculturalism."

Okay, in my outsider looking in opinion, I feel that MCGLO is not to imply that other organizations do not 'respect" other cultures or that they only accept one type of culture in their membership. What I think Multicutural GLO are trying to imply is that their organizations do specifically aim to have a membership that is multicultural in nature. Other organizations do not necesarilly make that aim. Even other organizations that are under the Multicultural Greek Council, like Latina and Asian based GLOs claim they are not exclusionary and are open to members who are not Latina or Asian...however, when you look at their recruting efforts, they often times do not go out of their way to promote to people that are not in their cultural demographic.

I have never been aproached by the NPC sororities when they are out during pre-rush or freshman orientation. Why? Because I'm African American you don't think I'd be interested in your sorority? You dont feel like I'd fit in your majority white membership? If you truly feel your org is just as diverse it would be reflected in your membership nationally.

When I look at the Theta Nu Xi website and look at the photos of their sisterhood, I see all different races and hues...and with that I know comes different religions,cultures, etc. So it is apparent that this organization is made up of many cultures. Now I think it should be said that not everyone who joins a sorority wants to be in a multicultural one. Some people may feel isolated from their family or their traditions so they join a culturally based sorority with a majority white, black, latina, asian, whatever, membership so that they can be with those like minds.

Now when I look at the Gamma Phi Beta website, I see mostly...white ladies, a couple asian faces, some Latin, but as a whole I see white ladies. I'm not saying this in a racist way so don't even take it there. I'm just making a point, that on a national level it doesn't seem Gamma Phi Beta is very diverse and definitely not nearly as diverse as Theta Nu Xi.

It's the same if you go to an NPHC national website...you may see some non-African American members, and some NPHC orgs are more diverse than others, but again, that has to with the history and who they appeal/recruit to

beyond all that, I think who is or isn't multicultural is a stupid thing to get so heated. If you didn't feel guilty, you wouldn't speak up.

Whats so high-horsed about being proud of having lots different cultures in your organization? Every sorority has its catfights and inernal strife, so Its actually quite remarkable that anyone can get a group of diverse women to get along and not suffer constant cultural clashing.

I just don't understand what Kevin, SWTXBelle, and you have against GLOs with muticultural missions.

I don't believe you are in any position to call anyone else out for being "high-horsed."

As Senusret (and others) have said, this conversation has played out on other threads. In fact, there's a multi-page thread about this topic that contains many varied opinions. It starts out something like this:

To all: I'll be the first to admit that people say foolish things, so I would be careful about categorizing an entire branch of Greek Life on the limited interactions you've had. If that's what we want to turn this into, I'm sure I can find plenty of absurb and offensive remarks made by members of all Greek organizations. Any takers?

As diverse as Theta Nu Xi - no.
Diverse? Yes. Much more so than a few pictures on a website can show. I know of at least one southern campus where we were the first to pledge a black student. Go look at our colony photos here on GC. And here's the deal - we don't have a quota of a certain colour to fill. The attributes we look for do not include race - so if you don't see what you consider to be enough of any particular group you shouldn't assume that the issue is one of race. I'm always reminded of when there was an outcry because there were no black members of NPC sororities at SMU. Then someone pointed out that none had gone through recruitment, which is important if you want to get a bid. The next year 2 went through, and pledged. There are 26 members of the NPC, and all of them have membership criteria which do not include race. While some individuals or chapters may not live up to the inter/national ideal, the overall organizations have made a real effort to be inclusive and respectful of all pnms.

But that is really beside the point.

It has been pointed out that when the issue of multi-culturalism or diversity is mentioned by many, perhaps not all, MCGLOs it is often done so in a way that MANY find to be offensive.

I can't say as to whether or not that is the way it is meant. But I can say that when it is brought up as being perceived as a veiled criticism, the answer seems to be to not address the issue at all, but to instead try and shift focus to critiquing the diversity or multi-culturalism of the GLO of the person who stated they felt it was dismissive of their group. I hardly think checking a few pictures on a website constitute an analysis of the diversity of a group.

So I can't help but think that it is indeed meant to be insulting, and that the reason that issue is not addressed is because the perceptions of other GLOs do not matter to the MCGLO. I'm not alone in this, and I'm just surprised that groups that pride themselves on being inclusive should so callously dismiss an entire group out of hand.

eta - To answer the question of what do I have against groups with a multicultural mission - nothing, as long as they don't insult other groups. And let me also say that I wouldn't expect the MCGLOs to suddenly change everything in how they present their missions - but I have to say that I believe pledging someone just because they are or are not white is never a good thing.

aeta - One reason this frustrates me is because in this day and age ALL greek letter orgs need to be able to work together. Different people have different needs, and if a MCGLO is able to better fulfill those than a NPC or NPHC group, then good. It's not a case of either/or. NPCs, NPHCs, MCGLOs can all fulfill different roles, but we have to be able to respect OUR differences, too.

could you please provide an....you know what nevermind...

You are right. Never mind.

Now THAT is insulting. This is one of those "pot meet kettle" situations. You perceive that multicultural orgs are dismissive of NPC organizations, so your response is to dismiss multicultural orgs? Let's get serious.

There are scads of members of NPC, NIC and NPHC orgs - which have multiple tens of thousands of members each - that do not consider multicultural Greeks to truly be Greek and who seek to invalidate the sincerity of members of these organizations.

There are perhaps a few thousand multicultural Greeks who express pride in their organizations - pointing out the fact that they are unlike NPC, NIC and NPHC organizations because their reason for existence is to promote multiculturalism - and out of those few thousand, some of the members get too big for their britches and make inappropriate and insulting statements.

I see and feel the tension here. But, for anyone to come in and say that the very missions of multicultural sororities are offensive is preposterous. And, what of people like me who consistently uplift ALL Greeks? I've never made a negative comment about the core principles of another legitimate Greek organization. If I've ever said anything negative, it has been about individual members of the organizations who were foul.

I said that ANYONE pledging JUST because a pnm is or is not a certain color is a bad thing. Are you arguing that I'm wrong? I just want to clarify. I certainly did not mean to imply that I was criticizing just the MCGLOs, and if that is the case I apologize. But now I have to ask - because I honestly don't know - do multicultural glos make a race a factor in deciding membership?