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Longhorn Mom 08-04-2017 06:05 PM

On the topic of Texas Alpha Phi-

https://vimeo.com/173668557

https://vimeo.com/187546185

Titchou 08-04-2017 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SparkleBerry (Post 2437547)
How did APhi do it, honestly? What is an RFM policy?

RFM is NPC's Release Figures Methodology which is now in place on all campuses(well,maybe not one or two). I won't bore you with the details of how it works but in a few words it requires groups to adhere to a set release number that varies from chapter to chapter depending on past performance. So in essence, the groups who have the best return percentages are required to invite fewer women to their events. Quota additions no longer exist as they used to and women who do not match once all have been placed are placed typically with the smallest chapter they listed on their bid card.

This is a very simplistic explanation but it has resulted in chapters being much closer in size and therefore the entire system healthier.

mustangbelle 08-04-2017 06:36 PM

As an alumna of Alpha Phi myself who has a special connection to our Omega chapter, even though I initiated at another school in Texas many years ago. It has been great watching our sisters at UT Austin thrive.

Thanks sharing for the Texas Alpha Phi videos Longhorn Mom. I enjoyed watching both of them.

Tinkerbell1 08-05-2017 01:56 PM

With all due respect, many UT chapters may have "equaled out" somewhat, but the tiers are still firmly in place and likely always will be. As far as Alpha Phi moving up, they have always taken OOS girls, so that's a non factor. Anyone's who's familiar with their Texas chapter knows they primarily cut based on looks and then target the Houston Memorial/Highland Park/private school types that don't go Big 6 for whatever reason. Glad that it's worked for them but it's not a well rounded approach, in my humble opinion.

BlueCarnation 08-05-2017 05:50 PM

With all due respect, Tinkerbell, I think that unless you are an active member of a chapter, you don't actually know what their selection process is--and if you are an active member, you really should not be commenting on your chapter's internal selection process. Even as a midwesterner I know that UT-Austin is known for having great sororities and I think that we should keep this thread's focus on the OP and her recruitment. OP, good luck whatever you decide.

jolene 08-05-2017 06:30 PM

Throwing in a little love for Alpha Xi Delta:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFcvfZNiYPY

CaliAggie 08-06-2017 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by austingammaphi (Post 2437424)
One of the reasons that UT's sorority fees are so high is because Austin has become a VERY popular place to live and work, and property taxes have skyrocketed in the past two decades as a result. It is very expensive for UT sororities and fraternities to maintain their houses.

My sorority left campus in the late '80s, and there's always talk at alum meetings about how great it would be to be back at UT. And then we start talking about how difficult it will be for any house to come back--many old houses (including our gorgeous chapter house from the late 1950s) have been razed to build condos and high-rise apartments, and the cost of the land alone would be prohibitive for many groups. Anyway, that's part of the reason that UT Greek life can be more costly than at other campuses.

This is a dumb question but are most national GLO's incorporated and registered with the IRS as either not for profit or social organizations? I was under the impression that most fraternities and sororities didn't have to pay property taxes because they were exempt.

Titchou 08-06-2017 09:24 PM

Non profits are not exempt from property taxes.Churches are. And there are some 26-28 501 C designations anyway. Only one, 501 C3, is a charitable non profit. A large number of NPC and NIC groups are 501 C7s - social orgs. Other than the C3, non profits are not tax exempt.

Also, if the chapter house is on school property, there are probably no property taxes as educational institutions are exempt.

thetalady 08-06-2017 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Titchou (Post 2437813)
Non profits are not exempt from property taxes.Churches are. And there are some 26-28 501 C designations anyway. Only one, 501 C3, is a charitable non profit. A large number of NPC and NIC groups are 501 C7s - social orgs. Other than the C3, non profits are not tax exempt.

Also, if the chapter house is on school property, there are probably no property taxes as educational institutions are exempt.

Donations that Greek members make to their respective housing corporations to support our facilities are not even tax deductible :-( We have been working on that for years, but no success yet.

Titchou 08-07-2017 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by thetalady (Post 2437816)
Donations that Greek members make to their respective housing corporations to support our facilities are not even tax deductible :-( We have been working on that for years, but no success yet.

Yes, CHIA (Collegiate Housing and Infrastructure Act). I had the opportunity to lobby Congress on that when I was Director of Housing and CHM of our Fraternity Housing Corporation. Exciting experience...but still no movement from Congress.

3DGator 08-07-2017 11:57 AM

I was told that part of a donation that was for a new house could be deducted if it was being donated for a library or study area in the house. I was told what part of my donation would be going to this area and that part could be deducted.

navane 08-07-2017 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 3DGator (Post 2437840)
I was told that part of a donation that was for a new house could be deducted if it was being donated for a library or study area in the house. I was told what part of my donation would be going to this area and that part could be deducted.


That is correct.

Tom Earp 08-07-2017 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by navane (Post 2437843)
That is correct.

To back up navane, any money going toward a new house "MUST BE" towards educational space only, not just rooms, kitchen or other places. This also includes money sent to IHQ's.

Sad part is we as Greeks help relieve space in dorms on campus which gets over crowded or price gouging rentals.

Titchou 08-07-2017 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by navane (Post 2437843)
That is correct.

As long as the architect has deemed it educational space, the donation can be deductible. This ONLY applies to the bricks and mortar and any built in or "fixed" furnishings. It's a prescribed process to get this done and it ends up being a very small percentage of the overall square footage.

SarahE 08-22-2017 11:32 PM

Hey all! I've been asked to update but I've been so busy, as you can imagine. Just trying to shop in order to move in was huge. Anyway, here I am!

This process has been a little intimidating because lots of girls seem to know each other. I found a hall mate and girl from orientation who were both in my group today, so that helped calm me down.

I had a good visit with Kappa Kappa Gamma. They have a gorgeous house right on campus. The girls at Alpha Delta Pi were very nice and down to earth. At Zeta Tau Alpha and Alpha Phi, I could tell they go for the attractive girls. It was just obvious. Alpha Phi also has a house on campus which I really liked. I didn't care for the Kappa Alpha Theta house but had a good visit. At Alpha Chi Omega, I talked to girls from my home state, which made the conversation really easy. I know I'm leaving out one or two but I'm exhausted right now.

I'm so glad I have 2 recruitment t shirts because the one I wore today was totally trashed just from walking around in this heat. I'll try to give another update later this week. It looks like this thread took on a life of it's own with all kinds of comments!

FSUZeta 08-23-2017 06:14 AM

Good luck today SarahE. It is reassuring when you see someone you know during rush. And I sympathize with you on having to deal with the heat and humidity. Do realize that the sorority members have also been through it and understand.

GirlinSpace 08-23-2017 08:54 AM

Glad things are going well, SarahE! Good luck with the rest of the week.

Knitstar 08-23-2017 09:03 AM

Thank you for the update, SarahE, and good luck!

OrangeJacket 08-23-2017 09:44 AM

Wishing you a great recruitment, SarahE. The Kappa and A Phi house locations are very very convenient, especially once recruitment is over. ;-) Then again, I'm a little biased being an A Phi myself! I'm eager to hear where my "rec girls" go this year as I have three going through at UT Austin and one at Texas Tech!

SparkleBerry 08-23-2017 02:10 PM

Rooting for you! Can't wait to hear where you end up!

UTmom2 08-28-2017 02:14 AM

SarahE would love to hear an update! My daughter is participating in recruitment also and is so nervous for bid day tomorrow!

SarahE 08-28-2017 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by UTmom2 (Post 2440004)
SarahE would love to hear an update! My daughter is participating in recruitment also and is so nervous for bid day tomorrow!

I'm a little embarrassed to say that I dropped out of recruitment earlier. I can honestly say it was the craziest, most difficult experience of my life.

Some chapters that cut me pretty quickly I had rec letters for and others that I didn't have letters for stayed on my list longer.

I had Alpha Delta Pi and Alpha Xi Delta left. They're great girls but for a few reasons I was just not feeling it with them.

I'm located in a good dorm and hoping to meet a lot of actives this year so that as a sophomore I can connect to a chapter that I'm 500% behind. So, I'm not finished yet!!

There was a lot of good information on here so that was good!

SarahE 08-28-2017 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UTmom2 (Post 2440004)
SarahE would love to hear an update! My daughter is participating in recruitment also and is so nervous for bid day tomorrow!

Good luck to your daughter. What houses does she have left and which one does she like the most?

SparkleBerry 08-28-2017 01:20 PM

Thanks for the update! Next year is just around the corner ... get to know those girls!

FSUZeta 08-28-2017 01:22 PM

SarahE, I am sorry that rush didn't work out the way you had hoped. It sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders and are going to be fine. Best wishes.

UTmom2 08-28-2017 02:03 PM

SarahE-so sorry it didn't work for you this year! UT recruitment is tough but it sounds like you have a good plan for next year. My D will kill me if I share too much so I will say she went to two pref parties yesterday-one is her legacy house and the other is the house she fell in love with from the second she walked in the door. I am hoping that she gets her first choice but I know that she will be just fine with her second.
Good luck to you. UT has so many great organizations that I know you will have a fantastic freshman year!

QueenD 08-28-2017 09:48 PM

Sarah, I would strongly urge you to edit the post that contains the specific names of the chapters that you "didn't feel it with." That can come back to bite you if you rush again as a sophomore - certainly from those two chapters (who you might decide you really like as you meet more people this year) but also from other chapters who might feel your post is in poor taste. Actives DO read these boards and DO have long memories!

trymeplease 08-28-2017 11:40 PM

Of the 3 recs I wrote, one went Zeta, one went AEPhi, and one went Alpha Phi! Glad they all found a home.

aephi alum 08-29-2017 10:44 PM

trymeplease, congrats to your rec PNMs, especially the one who went AEPhi (I'm a tad bit biased ;) ).

SarahE, good luck with your recruitment next year.

KSUViolet06 08-30-2017 07:00 PM

This is kind of a mish mosh of thoughts but bear with me.

Honesty time.

Let's look at the facts. You are from out of state. You were a late registrant. That probably means you did not/could not secure recs to everyone. You also have the disadvantage of not knowing a lot of girls from school, camp, etc.

That is the recipe for hard cuts.

As to the "I'm going to take this year to get to know people and try next year" thing.

Here's thing.

Every PNM who drops out because they "did not feel a connection" and wants a "better connection next time" generally means that they did not end up with one of the six or so chapters that everyone wants to be in. They are hopeful that one of these six or eight will "connect better" next time.

The thing with that is, these six or eight are the chapters that EVERYONE tends to feel connected with. That is why you know their names when people talk about the "best at UT." They're good at recruitment. They make you feel like you want to be them. It is literally their job to do that.

See also: These are also the chapters who are least likely to pick up sophomores because their classes are mostly freshmen who are known elements from hometowns, school, camp, etc.

I'm not saying do not try again. I'm just saying be honest about your opportunities if you are on the hunt for a certain type or tier of group. You may have diminishing returns with continuing to try a second time.

UTmom2 08-31-2017 09:12 AM

SarahE
I tried to PM you but not sure if you received. My daughter pledged her legacy. She was disappointed because she absolutely love her first choice. However she is okay with with where she ended up and is making friends with the girls in her pledge class. Her legacy house is not in the top 6 or 8 most popular sororities at UT yet is filled with lovely young women who seem to have a great sisterhood!

SarahE 09-03-2017 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 2440241)
This is kind of a mish mosh of thoughts but bear with me.

Honesty time.

Let's look at the facts. You are from out of state. You were a late registrant. That probably means you did not/could not secure recs to everyone. You also have the disadvantage of not knowing a lot of girls from school, camp, etc.

That is the recipe for hard cuts.

As to the "I'm going to take this year to get to know people and try next year" thing.

Here's thing.

Every PNM who drops out because they "did not feel a connection" and wants a "better connection next time" generally means that they did not end up with one of the six or so chapters that everyone wants to be in. They are hopeful that one of these six or eight will "connect better" next time.

The thing with that is, these six or eight are the chapters that EVERYONE tends to feel connected with. That is why you know their names when people talk about the "best at UT." They're good at recruitment. They make you feel like you want to be them. It is literally their job to do that.

See also: These are also the chapters who are least likely to pick up sophomores because their classes are mostly freshmen who are known elements from hometowns, school, camp, etc.

I'm not saying do not try again. I'm just saying be honest about your opportunities if you are on the hunt for a certain type or tier of group. You may have diminishing returns with continuing to try a second time.

I don't know. There seem to be a lot of sophomores that rushed and got houses they were happy with. I think it'll be fine. I liked the two chapters that were on campus and five others that were off campus, so I think with better preparation next year and getting to know some of the active this year I hope to be in better shape as a sophomore.

SarahE 09-03-2017 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aephi alum (Post 2440190)
trymeplease, congrats to your rec PNMs, especially the one who went AEPhi (I'm a tad bit biased ;) ).

SarahE, good luck with your recruitment next year.

Thank you and everyone else for the good luck wishes!!

SarahE 09-03-2017 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UTmom2 (Post 2440291)
SarahE
I tried to PM you but not sure if you received. My daughter pledged her legacy. She was disappointed because she absolutely love her first choice. However she is okay with with where she ended up and is making friends with the girls in her pledge class. Her legacy house is not in the top 6 or 8 most popular sororities at UT yet is filled with lovely young women who seem to have a great sisterhood!

Yeah, you're right. All of the houses have girls that enjoy each other. That I could tell.

I've got a couple of messages in my box that I need to read but they always pop up on a separate window and I can't open them, so sorry if I missed one of your messages.

FSUZeta 09-04-2017 08:38 AM

You have to go directly to the box-ignore the pop up.

UTmom2 09-15-2017 05:18 PM

I know future PNM's going through recruitment at UT will probably read this thread. Some will drop out of recruitment when they are cut from the "top tier" sororities and I have to say I am so sad for them. I wish someone would explain what makes a sorority "top tier". The women are wealthier,prettier? Is that how you normally choose your friends?

They have more social opportunities? The sorority my D pledged is not considered a "top tier" sorority. Yet in the last two weeks she has attended mixers,been invited to date events, gone to fraternity pledge lines,had dates to the game,been invited to Texas/OU. She has had plenty(too many if you ask me;)) of social opportunities!

Yes I will admit there were some sororities that she felt more at home with initially. But she knew that she would be able to find some kindred spirits in any of the groups. I guess dropping and going through as a sophomore is an option if you feel like the "top tier" is the only place for you. Maybe it is. My D is having a great time in her "lower tier" sorority.

I realize that the tier system at UT will probably never go away especially after reading some of the previous comments. Maybe some chapters at UT are better than others. I would like to believe that if you go in with an open heart you will be able to find an amazing sisterhood in any of the chapters if you are lucky enough to get a bid. You will be able be make lifelong friends and fabulous memories regardless of "tier".

If that is what you want. If it's not and you believe you can only be happy in a "top tier" sorority then good luck next year. I wish you the best!

ladybug12 09-15-2017 05:52 PM

I am so glad to hear that your daughter is having a grand time and that she took advantage of the opportunity given to her.
I often wonder how many women who drop out of a very competitive recruitment because they didn't have top tier choices actually re-rush with their desired results and also stay involved with their sorority as alumnae?
My impression is that those who pledge a sorority for the sisterhood and philanthropy and service during college years tend to be more involved as alumnae than those whose main objective is to belong to a top tier group on their campus.
Just my opinion as an adviser and national officer...

celebcj 09-17-2017 06:57 PM

is there a bid list anywhere?
 
i wrote a few recs for UT-Austin and would like to know where they went, can't get a hold of the girls now and their facebooks are locked down, nothing new in their instagram bio...

FSUZeta 09-17-2017 07:12 PM

Bid list not published.

FloMo Mom 09-18-2017 12:12 PM

@UTmom2 please check your messages.


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