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I definitely agree with carnation... if you think there's a good chance you'll want to join a sorority, rush your first year, when most other girls do. Just because you go through the rush process does not obligate you to join. If you totally hate it, you can drop out or not accept a bid.
At my collge, it is VERY difficult to get a bid as a sophomore, even if you're friends with lots of members. This year, much fewer than 10% of non-freshman rushees got bids. It just doesn't happen often. My chapter (which usually makes quota) wants new members that will be with us for all four years. We want to give the freshman a chance (the vast majority of rushees are freshman), rather than keeping them out on behalf of older girls who have had that chance before. Any "selective" sorority chapter would rather take younger girls if possible. What carnation said is true, at least with regard to how rush/voting works in my chapter... if you're a sophomore, even if we love you, you'll probably be at the bottom of the bid list just on the basis of your age. |
I rushed as a sophmore & I'm kicking myself for it. I've been active for 2 quarters now, & I only have 2 years left with all my wonderful sisters http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif Not to mention all the seniors who are graduating now & my big who'll graduate next spring. I'm sad that I missed a whole year with these ladies.
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I don't want to offend anyone since I know nothing about rushing in the south, but for people who don't live in the south a lot of this advise is, like Kappa mentioned, over the top. I go to school in Michigan and we don't do headshots or letters of recommendation. The rushees are encouraged to get to know the sisters and find a place where they feel comfortable. If they put on a facade just to get into a house and then change once they're in, they're going to be uncomfortable and their sisters are going to wonder what the heck happened. I hate when girls act one way during recruitment and then become a totally new person practically overnight, it's annoying!!! Also, I went through as a sophmore and I think that was the best way to go because I got a chance to figure out who I was and I KNEW what I could contribute. I think it's better to have girls of varying ages so you don't get too top heavy. The best advise is to just be yourself and to get to know as many girls as possible so you'll have more girls voting on you. If you don't meet the girls, you may unfortunately be dropped, not because they don't like you but, because other rushees are being fought harder for. Hope this helps!
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And please feel free to direct any questions to me. I have a DZ sister that I talk to regularly who just graduated from LSU last year. If together we can't answer your questions about Rush, then no one can! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif Good luck and keep your head up! |
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Enjoy the last few days as a senior while you can. This will be here when you're done HS in a few short weeks! It sounds like you have all your ducks in a row, now let your accomplishments and such speak for themselves. I'm sure not every woman who got into a sorority at LSU was a legacy or rich or had social ties. You'll be fine http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif I don't know squat about LSU, but I'm hoping for nothing but the best for you! Nobody should feel the way you sound like you're feeling about rushing a sorority. Quote:
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Dear worried senior...
Please don't let our posts worry you too much! I'm not going to say "don't worry, you'll get in" - no one can guarantee that. But I think you'll do better if you are informed and know that LSU rush IS very competitive. It sounds like you are ready to go, so try not to stress too much. Also, the LSU website is a wonderful source of info - including prices, etc. A lot of schools have absolutely NOTHING concrete to go on as far as Greek life is concerned. There are several women on here who are LSU students or alums, so don't be afraid to ask them any questions you might have! GOOD LUCK! |
Thank you for all the responses. It felt so good to just say what I was feeling. I guess in reality, everyone, well almost everyone, has these same concerns. I'm off to my summer job now, but will check back frequently. I didn't expect a reply so quickly. Makes me believe you are a group of people who really care about others. It was like going to confession! Thank you and I'll be "reading" you!
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Having read some of the posts about rush, I want to tell potential rushees... JUST BE YOURSELF! I have been through both informal and formal rush as a sister and I know that if a woman asked to use our bathroom, I'd be happy to let her do so... I wouldn't think she hated my house! Additionally I agree with the "look nice" theme... but don't you want to look nice anyway? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif I can't speak for all sisters everywhere, but for me, the Greek system is about making connections and enjoying your college and life experiences with people who are fun, young, and willing to be involved in something -- be it a philanthropy, a birthday party, or a board meeting. I have a diverse sisterhood, but we are all united by our love for DG and all being sisters brings us -- a community of cool, smart, sassy sisters who are there for you if you need help studying for an exam, someone to walk with in a charity fundraiser, a fun person to go barhopping with on a Saturday night, and anything in between. Don't worry about getting your hair cut and your nails done, although I, in general, like to do both so that I feel good about myself on the outside... but make sure to feel good on the inside too... ask questions about the houses that you're rushing (What are the sisters involved with on campus?), do some research beforehand (Ask about each sorority's philanthropy -- I know I'm impressed when a rushee says 'Tell me about Service for Sight -- do you enjoy working with them?'), and have fun. Be yourself -- because if you aren't yourself, you could join the totally wrong house and not be happy. Good luck, and enjoy rush! Email me if you have any questions.
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Hi Audrey! Welcome to Greek Chat. I just saw that you went to Columbia; what a great school and such a fun neighborhood! My former boyfriend was a SAMMY there back in the early '90's and some other friends were FIJIs and AXOs. A rather small but really enthusiastic greek population! Is the West End still there? How about Ollie's Noodle Shop and my very favorite restaurant of all time, Symposium??
I know this is really off the thread but what the heck its been done before! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif ------------------ ~@~Tracy~@~ Proud to be a Delta-Z :) |
When I went through rush, they took away our watches so that we couldn't check the time. They didn't want the sisters in the house to think that we were disinterested. It bothered me ALOT not know what time it was.
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when i rushed our rho chi advised that we didn't wear our watches.
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It amazes me how different rush is where I am. I go to a research university in the midwest, and the university is very focused on academics above all else. Rush here seemed insane at the time, but it is totally laid back compared to the stories I've read here! The one thing I definitely agree with is that anyone rushing should be themselves no matter what. Dressing nice is always a good idea, but who you are inside is (hopefully) more important. One of the girls in my pledge class (I did informal rush the spring before and we were involved with formal rush the next year) went to the first day of formal rush in an old t-shirt and gym shorts and was carrying a couple large bags - we offered to take them so she'd be more comfortable and she just laughed and said "That's ok, I just came from a tennis tournament and don't want everyone to think I normally look like this!" The way she laughed it off showed how cool she was, and it was nice to see that she was comfortable enough with herself to show up to formal rush in sweaty clothes (she didn't have time to change before rush) and just explained why and moved on like nothing happened. We definitely remembered her after that party.
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Worried Senior, Though the deadline for turning in Rush applications is close approaching. Recommendations traditionally go directly to the sorority and can be sent up until rush. I remember us receiving recs on prospective new members through the second day of rush. So do not quit looking for recs, you can never have too many. I am sorry for the unpleasant experience you have had with the local Alumnae Panhellenic group. Though you seem to have a great head on your shoulders and are taking the action needed to get what you want.
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This is something really weird about big-school Southern rush. All the rush booklets say not to go out and find recs, that it's the sorority's duty to get them. And I hate that! Because the truth is that at most of the schools I've attended or taught at, you need to get your own. Out-of-state rushees or girls who come from families what weren't previously Greek may have no clue and then they get cut because they don't have a rec--when they could've obtained one if they'd known!
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Okay.. WorriedSenior...
I spoke to one of my sisters, that was a Pi Phi at LSU and USM. As did I check out the LSU Greek Affairs website. The Panhellenic Application is not due until July 31st. As you said, they suggest that recommendations be sent in by July 1st. Recs can be sent in later, it is to your benefit to have those that are written sent to the appropriate place by July 1st. If you wish, you may email me and I will explain in more detail why. Please do not think that the recs are not of use for you if someone does not sent it in before July 1st. So please continue to have any alumna write recs for you. Good Luck!!! |
Reading these, I realize how lucky I am to have had the relatively positive experience rushing that I did. Our Panhellenic (who went to the local high schools--our private schools here are all unaccredited and rather shady) took care of all of our recs for us...and this is in the South! I didn't go to school in the South, so my recommendations were all in vain (but I'm sure they helped somewhat!).
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PiPhiAlum(Should say PiPhiSweetie) I can't believe you went to the trouble! You are so kind. You are the third person who has gone the "extra step" to help another. I would like to know why, so I'll send you a short note before I take off for work. Thanks!
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It depends on the organization. In AOII, only alumnae members may write them.
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Look I attend a state supported university in the north carolina system(east carolina university). I have a few questions about rush. First of all, I will be a sophomore this year when I rush. Will that severly hurt me. I tried to rush a sorority last spring but was falsely led to believe i was getting a bid but did not(This is informal so you only rush one house). I was crushed but ever since then I have longed to be in a sorority although I no longer know if they are the right house for me(I couldn't treat other girls like that). Even some of my friends in other sororities can't believe the way I was treated. I wanted to do formal fall rush but I am on a full merit scholarship and so my parents wanted me to wait and adjust to college life first. They both support my decision to rush especially my dad( a fraternity member himself). However, after a full year of college and a cumulative 4.0 I am ready if they will only accept me. Also, we only have one brief form to fill out and there is no mention of recs. I live in a small town and don't know anyone who can give me a rec. Will I be cut because of this? Finally, there is no suggestion of how to dress for rush for any of the 5 days. I would appreciate any advice you could offer me.
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A 4.0 GPA will make you very desirable as a potential member. The sophomore standing shouldn't hurt you. It's odd that during informal you could only go to one sorority. Was that because only one chapter was eligible to take new members or is there some campus rule about that? Usually when you sign up for Recruitment, they will send you a letter/packet with suggested dress, etc. I looked at the ECU Greek site and they have quite a bit of information, including the registration form for Recruitment. If you haven't already done so, visit: http://www.ecu.edu/studentlife/greek/ I know there is a KD from ECU on these boards, I'll see if I can find her and ask her to reply. I don't know how important letters of reference are at ECU. Again, according to NPC agreements, it is not the responsibility of the potential member to secure letters of reference. If you Dad is Greek, maybe the wives of some of his brothers were Greek and can write a letter for you. Barbara |
OK, Pirate, let me say that I am sorry about the bad situation you found yourself in, life is crazy sometimes. Just remeber that about that chapter and don't be scared of them during Fall Recruiment!
Well, ECU is a small but serious Recruitment. We have 9 NPC groups and about 150-200 Potential New Members. EVERY chapter has a distinct personality. Your year in school will not hinder you, if you were a Junior I would say different, but you have another 3-4 years to give to the chapter! Many PNMs will be in their second year. You will have a Recruitment book in the mail after to register, it will have details about attire. I would get a reference, if possible, I think it is always a good thing! If you are intrested in a certain NPC group you may be able to contact their HQ and see if they have a rec chair in your city...you can run some names by her and see if any of your family friends are in that group and you didn't know. Or just ask around your parents friends, they may know someone. Clothes will be mainly smart casual, but you will see the whole spectrum, from last years prom dress to jeans! But I would do cute capris/sweater set...do classic,polished,and trendy. I wouldn't do "going out clothes". Skit day will involve sitting, wear capris or a long skirt, they don't need that much about you! PREF will require a nice dress, like church attire...think cool and comfy, it will be hot! I wish you luck, BUT be sure not to be discouraged if you ask a present member of a chapter, they will be tight lipped, they are not supposed to talk recruitment with a PNM, but I'm an alumnae...hehehe, that's another perk of graduating! Check out the Panhellenic Webpage, email Cole the Recruiment director, she has all the info you need~ALSO, Oreintation has a whole GREEK Presentation, go to it! I will be at Recruitment, find me after Bid Day! GOOD LUCK! ------------------ Lexi 122400 [This message has been edited by ecukd (edited June 21, 2001).] |
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Pirate,
I read your post and about fell over because you sound just like me!! I am going to be a soph transfer at UNC-Chapel Hill and I also went through rush last year, but had a negative experience. The academic thing also sounds like me, but I only had a 3.8 last year compared to your 4.0..haha! Way to go! My parents will probably go nuts if I tell them I am thinking of going through rush again because it really wore me down last year. I was reading the UNC Greek site and they don't really go into detail about attire either, but I guess I have to actually make the choice of whether to go through it..ughh.. I would love to hear what you decide to do this fall! |
I wish i would have known this before rush last fall. It would have helped me a lot. A few times I wore jeans- we were allowed to because we were going to do a lot of walking. But it is hard to afford name brand stuff- no I don't shop at K-Mart, but I do pay for all my own stuff. In God's eyes it doesn't matter what we wear. Our clothes are just a facade.
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I have a bit of advice for rushees...If you know that you do not want to be in a certain that is okay...you know that they are not for you and thats cool and all...but please continue to be nice and converse with the girls that are rushing you....we are just as nervous, TRUST ME! Some rushees just blow off rushers and are like whatever..I wanna be XYZ and I that is all I want and...they are just plain rude..you don't have to blow off other houses just because you are afraid of getting a bid..if you keep getting asked back to houses...be proud cause alot of girls see a future sister in you...I got called back to the maximum # of houses each day and I went in to each house and acted the same....everyone deserves respect and a fair shot...Good Luck to everyone! AOII Georgia Southern University
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I agree with Zima Girl. A girl came to our preference party and was so rude to one of my sisters. It was so inappropriate. She said "I know I am going to be an XYZ, so please don't put on your bid list, I just had to go to another party." I mean that was uncalled for. Bid day came and she didn't get into XYZ and since she was so rude to my sister we didn't even invite her to our informal rush later. Don't think it can't come back on you. Also don't talk about XYZ. I may have some close friends in there that i may tell what you say. Don't parade around and tell everyone you know you are getting a bid from XYZ because they may get a phone call telling them what you say. I hate when a girl assumes we are extending her a bid. Don't expect it unless you have it in your hands. Not to sound harsh but ithappens every year.. there is a rushee that just ruins rush for us because she won't let us have fun!!!
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Ok girls, a couple questions I need some help with! One, the rush at my school is also super informal. I rushed second semester in my frosh year and didn't get into the only house that really mattered to me, and I was crushed. Is it totally lame to rush again? I know that this house is the right place for me, but I think I just didn't get enough time to display that. One of the girls I talked to told me that not enough of the sisters felt like they had gotten to know me well enough. The thing is, there's no formal process where the girls come around and meet you. You're just sorta expected to go through at each event and introduce yourself to everyone and make them know you. And I don't even know what a Rho Chi is, so I don't think I have one that I can go to for help! I'm totally freakin about this entire process. Any suggestions or thoughts?
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wish,
Ok where do you go to school? i know I ask this in when ever I try to reply, only so if there is someone at the school, who can help. I had a problem sort of like this. I knew i wanted to rush, but I have a problem. I am super shy until i get to meet people. Then you cant shut me up, i will keep talking. the first set i kept telling the girls was that. I did get invited back to the next night and i felt really comfortable with the girls i was with. I was my self, and i might not of met all the girls but those i did i tried to make a strong impression. Just be your self. If you see an active during a rush party and you havent met her yet, turn around and say i dont believe i have met you yet, im ___. this will show that girl that you are outgoing. If you dont get to meet all the girls you will have made a strong impression on those that you have. i believe everything happens for a reason. i always thought i would join my moms house, but i didnt. It wasnt for me. i thought i so belong here and will fit in great. even though some of the girls in the house are my friends it turns out it was for the best. i love my house now and feel that i wouldnt have beed perfect for the other house, im perfect for this one. If you have any questions feel free to email me. Smiles, M |
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First, no it's not lame to rush again. If you want to be in that house, then go for it. Especially if the reason they cut you is that they didn't know you well enough. This means that a)they don't have a reason (at least they're not saying) to DISlike you b)they were probably interested in getting to know you Now, things to do to prepare. When is your rush? If it's in the fall, then some of these ideas might not work. First, get to know the girls outside of the house. Find out where they hang out, which frat they mix with, what their philanthropy is, etc. Then participate in these things. Yes, this is shallow and a little dirty, but sometimes that's what it takes. Meet them (don't make it obvious your thinking of rushing again), and try to befriend a couple. If you can, somehow mention your concern about rush, meeting people during parties, etc. They will probably offer to take you around. If not, at least you have a couple people who you know already at the house. Meet their frat. Get them to drop hints "oh i just met rhonda rushee and she likes your house, and she's cool etc etc". Get involved w/ their philanthropy. This gives you an opportunity to meet them outside of rush. DURING PARTIES talk to a certain number of girls a night. The more people you make a good impression on, the more people you'll have pulling for you during selection. Talk a few of the same girls every night. If they're saying they don't know you well enough, make sure they do. Try and remember what you talked about already, and move on. Remeber their names, and talk about the other girls in the house "well, i was just talking to jenny about this yesterday and..." Sit somewhere accessible. This sounds weird, but if you're stuck in the corner of the room, fewer people will come and talk to you. Walk around if your not talking to anyone and sit with a large group. And relax. They'll realize that you're rushing a second time, and that your interested in them. good luck! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif Oh, and a Rho Chi (PX) is a rush counsellor, someone who leads you through formal rush etc. If yours is informal, they might not have them. ------------------ Travelling with no boundaries, moving in imaginary. |
I just wanted to say thanks for the helpful advice. I think I just needed someone with some authority on the subject to let me know that I could do it. I will definitely keep people posted about how things go!
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Just a little comment on the small uproar over whether to look for girls that are just like you or girls that you aspire to be like...you can look for both! Ever notice that you have a lot in common with your best friends but you also admire many things about them? That's why they're your best friends!
The issue should be not be about thinking about which sorority to join and which letters to wear, but WHO YOU WANT AS YOUR SISTERS. You're going to be spending a lot of time with them, and after your college years you're still going to have this unbreakable bond with them for the rest of your life. Ideally, when you are deciding how to rank your choices on your bid card, there will be that house where you just clicked with the girls and want to be a part of their world. They are the girls you can see yourself having fun with, trusting with your innermost secrets, learning something from, leaning on for support, and who you feel can best help you achieve your goals in college and in life and help you become the person you want to be. You know how you say sometimes, "I love my relatives, but I didn't pick them?" Now you are given the opportunity to choose your sisters! This is the time to put on your brightest smile and when everything is said and done, hopefully you'll all be smiling together on Bid Day! |
I like what ROWDYsister said-a lot of truth in her post.
Some may not agree with this and some points weigh more heavily depending on your particular campus. I know many will say that stereotypes don't exist but honestly, every sorority has a mix of every stereotype. Each group has the brains, the fluff, the sweetie the gripey one you know what I mean. No sorority is comprised of 100% "Miss Congenialities" because very few people can live up to that perfection. It boils down to the proportions. Considering this, the proportion, realize one thing. On paper (your resume') you may be the perfect match for all the sororities, but if you weren't comfortable with a particular image or group association in the past, don't assume you will suddenly change because you hit college. I am not advocating a closed mind, nor am I saying you shouldn't strive for your dream, not at all. I am reiterating what many wise voices have stated in the past. Be yourself. Polish up, and present your BEST self (everyone compares it to a job interview wich is very true) You can "talk the talk and walk the walk", but remember if you "create" an image that is uncomfortable to you or one against your nature, you may be very disappointed in the end. One last point-many actives have said that the sorority often knows better than you where you will be comfortable and grow as an individual. This may be one of the most universally true statements ever made about rush. edited-I remembered one more thing. At LSU under Greek Affairs, you can look up chapter assessments. This is a critique of the strengths and weaknesses of the chapters. Some will say things like "unclear records of volunteer hours" or "need more campus offices" "exemplory grade point" This can tell you one of two things. Either they will be looking for people with the qualities that fall short or it isn't a priority. You can make your own judgement once you get a feel for the houses. |
Southern Theta: what an awesome post. I know if someone had told me all this when I rushed, it would have helped alot.
To the rushees: Just relax and be yourself. Have fun during rush meeting not only the women in the sororities, but the girls that you're rushing with as well. Don't be nervous, trust me, the girls rushing you are just as nervous the first time around!! Smile and ask questions. This could be your potential new house, and you want to get any questions that you have out there!!:D |
People seem to have covered both ends of the spectrum, those schools where rush is very competitive and those where it isnt. I know for a fact though, where I go to school it is a little of both. For the fact I go to Northern Arizona University.
Formal recruitment is the week before classes start in the fall. Now for the Registration we do not want head shots, and you do not have to have formal recomendations written out. The form though does ask for names of two people who could be your recomendations. The fact is though, that I know my chapter looks very specifically at girls whom we get formal letters sent to us. Those girls do stand out a lot, and those leters usually do come with head shots. Also, many people have been mentioning that going to the bathroom during a rush party shows lack of interest. I know at NAU this can be very true, because our parties arent very long, and they take place in our chapter rooms (all sororities and most of the fraternities live in one dorm). As for dress, you are given a list of the types of clothes to wear to each party. I know personally I notice people who dress to impress or dress in their own style. Many times this is great, but I also know that I have seen some girls who wear outfits that look more like they are going out clubing then to an interview. One last thing I want to add is ask questions. Ask about the philanthropies, socials, sisterhood, and scholarship. I know these are all important things. I know I have been scholarship chair in the past, and being able to tell girls about the scholarships we offer, and the help in the grades area makes a big difference. I also know that the way I approach talking to a girl is based on what part of sorority life she is interested in. So remember to ASK QUESTIONS. The big thing is that if you are going through recruitment at a school like mine, I would say that no it doesnt matter if you are a freshman or not. I know some chapters on this campus really only look for freshman, but I also know that many dont. And as everyone else has said, be yourself. |
Here are just a few other things that I told my rho chi group:
smile, smile, smile...don't fake it though. But a good smile and a nice laugh can always get you places. be sincere and classy. answer their questions as best you can, ask your questions, but don't give obnoxious or really bad answers. (ie....anything that begins with "when i was drunk...", "i was soo drunk....," "i was so fu***d up last night", and "my boyfriend....") also, please don't ask dumb questions like "If you were a animal, what kind of animal would you be?"...this just makes you look like you aren't there to learn anything about the organization....and yes, this does happen! totally accept food and or drink....but like southern_theta said, be careful of what it is and how sticky and gross it can be. if they have vegitables, fruit, or cheese and crakers...i'd stick with them. and becareful of colored drinks...if thats what the org has, accept it, but don't drink to much. it can turn your mouth different colors. never ever say to any sorority woman that you don't want to be in their house or you seemed bothered by being there. remember, they know people in other organizations too! |
At my school, the rushee's purse and booklet are taken from them and carried by the girl they're talking to, so I suggest taking the glass of water they offer you just so you have something to do with your hands when you're walking around.
Also, try your darned best and don't tent talk...that is, discussing with your rush group who you like and who you don't. Even if the girl sitting next to you seems really nice, you could be talking smack about her older sister's or best friend's house for all you know. Plus, the Rho Chis are listening... |
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