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sigmagrrl 09-27-2002 04:34 PM

OK, maybe this has been posted but I cannot find it....What NPC orgs were chosen to colonize??

carnation 09-27-2002 05:05 PM

Nobody has been chosen yet but some favorites are cropping up when the girls talk.

Yes, I'll be happy when they nationalize! And so will a jillion other professors! Most of the remaining women have no intention of hazing pledges but just in case I had some "rogue elephants" in my class, I did the big announcement today: NO HAZING IN MY CLASS! NO STUPID COSTUMES, ESPECIALLY WITH DEELYBOBBERS!!! NO ROCKS FOR SIGNING!!! AND NO ANNOUNCING THAT YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO SPEAK TO THE OPPOSITE SEX!!!:rolleyes:

Another Georgia GreekChatter saw them get thrown out of KMart a couple of years ago because they were marching a group of singing pledges through. Siggghhh....

FuzzieAlum 09-27-2002 05:25 PM

Do you know how they are going to do it? Are they going to do something like JCU, or are the individual chapters going to pursue the groups they like individually?

carnation 09-27-2002 05:34 PM

I don't know....this rush should bring them up to over 80 each, plus I truly think we'll have room for a third. Possibly the 2 groups will each go with a national plus there could be a colonizing rush for the third group.

Tom Earp 09-27-2002 06:09 PM

Carnation. Have sent twice to my Hdq! Guessed I pissed on his Wheaties!

Hope You Get What Ya Are llookking for!:)

Keep me informand as to what is going on! Heck PM me top let me know updates!!!!!!!!

LUV YA!

breathesgelatin 09-27-2002 06:43 PM

forced bids ARE no fun... how exciting for you to get nationals, though! my school has only had sororities since 1989, so there was never a problem with women hazing each other. however, our fraternity system is seriously bogus... i dated a fraternity pledge all last year, and the torment he went through was ridiculous.... let us know how it goes!!

sigmagrrl 09-28-2002 10:18 AM

Carnation,
When do you at least find out what Nationals are coming to present on campus?

carnation 09-28-2002 12:14 PM

I wish I knew! They've contacted NPC and now NPC has to notify all the member groups.

I'm wondering if one reason for not cutting is to have the 2 existing groups at a premium size to look good for NPC groups. (Siggh.) At least we don't have many strange-looking or -acting people to turn off nationals. The huge majority are what you would call very wholesome-looking.

Hey sigmagrrl, a good family friend just pledged Tri-Sig at Winthrop!

Crescent 09-29-2002 01:01 AM

Carnation- what is your school?
 
I'm pretty new to GC and don't know the name of the school at which you teach. Maybe our sorority, also at both JCU and VU, would be a good candidate for one of your locals. We do have strong alum chapters in Atlanta, right GPhiBLtColonel?:D

carnation 09-30-2002 01:35 PM

arg. those little suckers are hazing again.:(

A new member in one of my classes said that they have a curfew of 11 PM to be in their rooms and the pledgemaster yelled at her and she cried for an hour. Guess who's about to call the Student Activities director?

The only other things they're forcing them to do --wear hose all week (maybe it's supposed to make them look good?:confused: ) and wear their pledge ribbons. Still, that's hazing too.

The good news is that each group took a class of 34 and the ones I know are wonderful women. I wish Pi Phi would come here but they're occupied with their western colonizations!

Tom Earp 09-30-2002 03:55 PM

Carnation, that is silly to consider that hazing! I know!

Damn, if they wear hose, then they must be wearing skirts!

Why should they not be wearing ribbons?

We have a Hard Time getting New Associate Pins and our Actives and New Associates want to get them so they can wear them!

Are they not Proud of the Group that they joined?

About making a new cry, that is a problem! There is no sense in that! If I was the young Lady, I would have told the asstive to kiss off or on which ever you prefer!:D

PenguinTrax 09-30-2002 04:18 PM

From the school paper (I have removed the school name out of deference to Carnation):

Sororities and fraternities to go national

XXXX sororities and fraternities to go national
By KW, PR Intern

While on-campus sororities and fraternities have been a large part of student life at XXXX for years, the administration recently decided to move toward making them national organizations.

“I am starting the process by inviting other Greek organizations to come and look at us, but am unsure where that will go,” said E.S. , director of student activities. “The administration wants to begin moving toward national fraternities and sororities, but I do not know exactly when we will become national.”

Greek life begins each fall with rush week, an opportunity for pledges to get to know all the organizations and find out where they fit in. If a pledge is not picked by his or her choice organization, he or she can either try again next fall or accept the invitation of another group.

“There is a mutual selection process going on where men and women of each organization will rank order the people going through rush,” S. said. “The administration has a process of dividing them down the middle.”

In the past, rush week has also involved silly antics by pledges. According to S., this will change, due to a stronger enforcement of the hazing policy in order to adhere to the eventual tie with national terms.

“Retreats are good, as well as team-building activities, but wearing silly outfits to calss is against the hazing policy,” she said. “In the past, displaying the new members has been more important than allowing them to get to know members of the organization.”

S. said there are two purposes to pledge – letting the pledges get to know the history of the organizations, such as past members, and allowing them to get to know members joining with them and older members in the fraternity or sorority. “Anything that does not fall under these two rules is not permitted,” she said.

This includes: actions that recklessly or intentionally endanger the physical and mental health or safety of students; encouraging the consumption of any food, drink, drug or any other substance; exposure to weather; sleep deprivation; assignment of activities that would be illegal or unlawful, or might be morally offensive to the individual; physical brutality, including paddling, striking with fists, open hands or objects and branding; kidnapping, transportation or stranding of individuals; verbal abuse, including line-ups and berating of individuals; conduct that could adversely affect the dignity of the individual, including wearing of apparel that is conspicuous or extraordinary, carrying items such as paddles and canes and the performance of public stunts and activities; tasks of servitude, including errands and clean-up activities for active members, alumni or any other XXXX student; the denial of sufficient time to study; nudity or lewd behavior; late or early activities which interfere with academic activities or requirements; or any activity not consistent with the policies and mission of XXXX College.

S. , who is in charge of enforcing the hazing policy, said hazing in general has been a state law for many years, but the policy, which was adopted in 2001, is just now being enforced.

“The reality is – why would you want to be mean or abusive to women or men joining your organization? It can either A. make them not want to join or B. make them turn around and do the same thing to future members,” said S. . “Older members see what happened to them and say, ‘Why can’t it happen to other members?’ which is why it should be stopped now.”

Anyone breaking the hazing policy will be investigated, and consequences can range up to no social events or intramurals for one semester to one year for the entire organization, according to S. .

One gradual change that will come about with the move to national fraternities and sororities involves technology. S. said computers are used by national organizations, and XXXX will eventually use them as well.

“But this year computers will not be used,” she said.

carnation 09-30-2002 08:47 PM

Thanks, Barb!:) I called ole E.S. and told her that they were already hazing--and that it came straight from the horse's mouth (well, my students' mouths). I hope to heaven that she followed up on it.

texas*princess 10-01-2002 11:59 AM

carnation,
i hope they followed up on it too! hazing is just wrong :(

ValpoKD 10-01-2002 07:44 PM

Hello!! I am a KD at Valparaiso University. I am also currently the Panhellenic President and Eastern Area Vice President for the Mid-American Greek Council Association. I decided to join GreekChat specifically for this topic as my Greek community has been discussed as well as John Carroll.

There are currently 7 national sororities on campus at Valpo. One local was lost during the nationalization process. This chapter was the colony of Alpha Sigma Tau. The local had been struggling for quite some time before this happened. The remaining 7 are wonderful organizations. Each has worked very hard to come to this point, and our community is stronger than ever.

Last year, NPC awarded us the Overall Excellence Award for Panhellenics with 6-10 chapters. To be named the best in country for our size remains one of my proudest moments as we changed from a system with hazing and no risk management to a community where hazing is not tolerated and our risk management is among the most progressive. Hazing did occurr in the locals, but now our sororities stand behind our national policies. The change was not overnight and there were difficult moments, but the support from our University, our fabulous Greek Life Advisor, and the national made all the difference. If anyone would like to know more, let me know. I can also get people in contact with our Greek Life Advisor who has been present for the entire process and gave advice to the JCU Greek Advisor. Best of luck!!

ValpoKD

PS- Most of the JCU chapters also are at Valpo. Kappa Delta is also colonizing another local in the South, so don't feel alone. There are others with experience who love to share.

AGDLynn 10-01-2002 08:09 PM

Greeks will move toward using computers? Gee, they have to use pen, pencils, and paper now?? No PDAs?;) :D

Best of luck!

carnation 10-11-2002 01:55 PM

Good news again! The bigger sorority has decided that they do indeed want to nationalize and one girl in particular is making sure that all their ducks are in a row. They are carefully avoiding any hazing.

The smaller sorority, I am told, doesn't much care whether they nationalize or not. Their "spearheader" apparently transferred to West Georgia and went KD.

And...a third sorority is forming! They're working on the paperwork now. Remember I told you that bids from one group or the other were guaranteed? Several of these girls got bids but didn't like the one they got so they're doing their own thing.

MSKKG 10-11-2002 04:10 PM

Congratulations! This is an exciting time for your university. I'm sure the perfect match will be made for each group. Where do you teach?

GPhiBLtColonel 10-20-2002 06:07 PM

BUMP!!!!
 
Carnation -- any news to report???

Tom Earp 10-20-2002 06:51 PM

ValPo, in reading this post, what is wrong, does it suck or the Orgs that suck?

Do the Orgs Suck? myabe the population does not umderstand?

If The Population does not understand, whose fault is that?

Do what You Do Best Presemt yourself in a light of Good!

carnation 10-20-2002 07:03 PM

There's a very loosely organized group of women now who didn't get their first choice out of the 2. They may be the third group on campus to approach nationals!

violets 10-21-2002 06:09 PM

Carnation:
Wow, wouldn't it be fabulous if you went from 2 hazing orgs to three NPC sisterhoods! I am so rooting for you and your campus. College-age women deserve all the great aspects of ethical, NPC organizations. Please keep us updated on the progess, I think expansion is so exciting!
violets

Denise_DPhiE 10-28-2002 02:25 PM

Expansion Opportunity (my favorite topic!!)
 
Carnation & GPhiBLtColonel

Your opportunity has not appeared in the NPC bulletin yet (to my knowledge) so there is probably not much to report. The NPC officers just switched and the new person has not sent out the next bulletin to the 26 groups advising us of opportunities yet. I think my last bulletin was late August. As soon as we all get notified of your campus opportunity, I am sure several groups will be sending lots of information about their groups to you to review. Usually campuses invite a max of 3 groups to present. If there are three distinct groups by then they can, through mutual selection match up with the three groups which present. This is how our colony at Texas A&M Kingsville came to be. Two nationals presented to what we thought would be two locals. By the time we got there (about a month later) there were three groups. We chose one and Theta Phi Alpha chose the other one. We colonized on October 12 with 27 women and total has been set at 35 for now.

Best of luck in seeing this through to a new era of non-hazing sororities!!!

Denise_DPhiE

newsun 11-06-2002 09:33 PM

I have never been involved in the process when an estabished local sorority joins an inter/national sorority, so can anyone explain what happens to the local sorority's members.

For example, what happens to the local sorority's alumnae? Do they automatically become alumnae of the national sorority, or do they have to come back and be initiated at the chapter installation?

Also, what if there are women in the chapter who do not want to go with the national? Do they deactivate before the local sorority begins the new member process with the national?

33girl 11-07-2002 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by newsun
I have never been involved in the process when an estabished local sorority joins an inter/national sorority, so can anyone explain what happens to the local sorority's members.

For example, what happens to the local sorority's alumnae? Do they automatically become alumnae of the national sorority, or do they have to come back and be initiated at the chapter installation?

Also, what if there are women in the chapter who do not want to go with the national? Do they deactivate before the local sorority begins the new member process with the national?

The local sorority's alums are not "automatic" national sisters, since they have not gone through ritual. They have to come back and be initiated. Depending on the age of the local and the policies of the national group, sometimes this entails just the girls who were in school when the national colonization started, and sometimes the national invites ALL local alums to become national sisters (I think they have to pass a basic info test).

If there are women who don't want to go national, they don't have to "deactivate" since when the local colonizes with the national, it ceases to exist. they can still wear letters, etc, but it's like if their chapter closed. When they graduate, the local dies out.

breathesgelatin 11-26-2002 01:03 AM

Any updates?

carnation 11-26-2002 08:53 AM

The local NPHC alum group has agreed to sponsor a collegiate chapter! As for NPC, a member of the bigger local sorority has said that a member has been assigned to work with the Student Activities Director on nationalization. They've been independently contacted by nationals, but I only know the names of 2.

kateshort 11-26-2002 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 33girl


The local sorority's alums are not "automatic" national sisters, since they have not gone through ritual. They have to come back and be initiated. Depending on the age of the local and the policies of the national group, sometimes this entails just the girls who were in school when the national colonization started, and sometimes the national invites ALL local alums to become national sisters (I think they have to pass a basic info test).

This depends on the org.

I'm the maintainer of the ADPi Valpo page that ValpoKD mentioned earlier (hiya!), and I graduated in 1995. At that time, the sororities had wanted to go national for years, but it was always "we want to go national, but we don't want others to go national." (Well, duh!) So in 1997-1998, everyone pretty much went national.

I was sent a letter of invitation, as were all of the alumnae of Delta Chi Epsilon and Phi Omega (the previous incarnations). All I needed to do was to pay for my pin and show up. I went though Alpha/pledge initiation, Delta/member initiation, and Pi/alumna initiation all in one fell swoop! (And we were initiated by Mrs. Dickey, woohoo!) But, I didn't have to take a national test. Other GLOs probably have different standards.

I will say, though, that those alumnae who go through and become alumnae initiates *tend* to be more active. That pin ain't cheap! I've felt that it was well worth it to become an alumna member, even though I live 1.5 hours away in Illinois. I serve as webmaster of their site, and try to get out there for Homecoming and Founder's Day. I may try to go out for Bid Day this year, too! I'm having fun watching and helping these girls recruit members by getting their message out to others.

It is a shame that we're only down to 7 sororities from 8; Delta Phi Kappa was small before it went national, and they just weren't able to make the full transition.

We've lost some fraternities over the past decade (1 last year, 3 others in the years between 1992-1998 or so), but I have heard *RUMORS* that another fraternity will be joining the campus, and that it's possibly going to be Lambda Chi Alpha (which is one of the three that closed while I was graduating, the only one of those three that didn't lose its charter, but just got too tiny after the house went substance-free).

So yeah, greek life seems to be very much alive and kicking at Valpo! Makes me proud.

Aphigal 11-26-2002 10:17 PM

NPC bulletin
 
It was listed in the latest bulletin so things should be heating up there!!!

carnation 11-26-2002 11:28 PM

Oh boy, you made my day--this is getting official! At least 2 NPC groups are going to get some fabulous sisters!

breathesgelatin 11-27-2002 12:32 AM

Oooh, carnation, so happy to hear the news! I'm sure you will have so much to tell us in the next few months!

Too bad Pi Phi is so busy with the Western colonizations! You have advisor/AAC/CHC written all over you!!!


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