applause for 33girl....

wonder what george would have to say on the subject? ;o)

Comparing being gay to Hitler is really crazy. *Thank you for editing the Hitler part out *I don't understand why people are looking at this list so closely. Why, is it necessary to look up other people's organzation website to see if that chapter actually exist? If it isn't your organization, I don't know why someone would go through the effort of trying to find out if it is true or not.

THERE'S GAY PEOPLE EVERYWHERE! GET OVER IT!!:rolleyes:

People can do whatever they want. If they have the time and the desire to look it up, let them knock themselves out. Maybe they work on a computer all day and are bored (like me). Maybe they are checking the validity of such site.

And it's not like they've only found one or two, there have been quite a few mistakes found. That really raises a lot of questions of validity and purpose of the site. Posting false info and "perping" (or posing as i usually call it) as a member of an org is pretty wrong in my book.

I asked before, and i'm asking again, why are you so upset over this????????????? Why are you so defensive?

I am a RADIANT Lady of Zeta Sigma Chi Multicultural Sorority, inc.

http://www.zetasigmachi.com/epsilon


I'm bored at work too (that's why I am able to write so many messages on this board, lol) but demanding that this site remove information that doesn't even concern you, is crazy to me. Like I said, if it isn't your sorority or fraternity, why do you care so much? Is saying that there is a gay person in someone's organization that life-threatening?

Who said anything about Hitler?!
It has nothing to do with it being life-threatening -- my own Fraternity prohibits discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, so it doesn't bother me at all for the list to include the names of gay Sinfonians, provided they really are Sinfonians. It's a matter of honest use the names of our GLO's.

I don't think anyone is going through the list with a fine tooth comb -- people are noticing when someone claims to have been a member of their own GLO at schools where there has never been a chapter of that GLO, or are noticing when someone at their own school claims to be a member of a GLO that has never been at that school. With regard to my own school, when I saw the reports of inaccuracies from other other GC'ers, purely out of curiousity I went to the website of the chapter in question and found, in the chapters list of all initiated members since its establishment, no reference to the name on the "out" list.

The fact that a number of people are finding such inaccuracies with regard to their own GLO or school raises valid questions: is this site something other than it claims to be, or being used contrary to its purpose. If all the names on the list really are the names of real Greeks from real chapters who are using this means of declaring that they are out, then fine. But if they are not real Greeks from real chapters, then they are using the names of our GLO's dishonestly to further their own cause. I have a problem with that -- the ends, however laudible, do not justify the means -- and I think the people who maintain the list need to be called on it (if it is intentional) or alerted to it (if it is not).

Humor:

This campus and org. was not listed on the site mentioned above, but it needs to be, because I verified all the info., and its all true because I verified all the info. Did I tell you that I verified all the info, so its true.

Bob Frapples was a gay member of the Gamma Alpha Upsilon(GAU) chapter of Sigma Epsilon Chi(SEC) at Bryant University of Technology Teachers.

The reason why I'm so defensive about this subject is that I know a lot of gay people in the greek system and a lot of them are scared to come out or they are having a really hard time in the greek system being gay. Some have transfered schools and/or are very suicidal because the people who they call their sisters or brothers no longer want anything to do with them. I believe that greeks are just in deep denial about the subject and they really need to get a reality check.

Very suicidal? A lot of them? If so, I suggest you try to get them professional help.

Who's in denial? What are you talking about? All of us on here have admitted that we're sure there are some gay members of our orgs. No one has said "there's no gay members of my org".
Don't know what more we can do?

I think you need to get a reality check and calm down. The problem of homophobia is not limited to just greeks. These "friends" whose "brothers and sisters no longer want anything to do with them"- is every other person in their life 100% supportive?

This is a problem with SOCIETY, not the greek system. All of us are tired of the Greek system getting such a bad rap- all of us that just binge drink, cause trouble, etc. etc. The media portrays us as the sole perpetrators of these things, when in reality it's the entire college population. You saying greeks are in deep denial, etc. etc. is doing the same thing as the media.

People form their own beliefs long before they join the greek system. Some people's religions and personal experiences influence their opinions and beliefs. Being greek has nothing to do with it. These problems are not JUST a part of greek people.

I have no problem with homosexual people being a part of my org. When i was an undergrad, we did have a sister come out. Guess what, we didn't care, she was still the same person.

And what is your opinion then, of people on that site representing themselves as members of orgs which they are not a part of? How is that justifiable?

A lot of greeks are in deep denial, because the greek system gives an appearance of being so straight more than any other organization on campus because of the formals, parties, etc. I hate it when greeks say "my sister isn't gay, because she dates boys" when I know that she is actually secretly dating a girl. Also what I see all the time is that certain organizations "allow" one openly gay person in their organization, but when two, three, or four want to join, then it becomes a problem. There is this unsaid fear of becoming "the gay sorority or fraternity" on campus. This doesn't happen with the biology association or the psychology network, just greeks. I just want the greek community to know that it can exist in their chapter. I think that greeks more than any other organization on campus needs to become more "gay-friendly" because of the sisterhood and brotherhood that we claim to have. Please just don't assume anything.

It just almost seems like people are treating this list like it is a pedophile list. Personally I didn't check the entire list to see what other greeks on the list went to my school and then check the organization's website to make sure it was actually chapter there. I really didn't care. Keep in mind that a lot of time national websites don't list inactive chapters on their website. They could be just old school greeks. If you all are really that concern why don't you e-mail that person and ask them.

You're absolutely right. BUT A WEBSITE WITH INCORRECT/UNSUBSTANTIATED INFORMATION ISN'T THE WAY TO DO IT.

I agree that more should be done to help homosexuals feel comfortable in the Greek System but having an innacurate, flawed listing of out of the closet members is not going to help.

Please identify just one post that even implies that someone is treating this list like a pedophile list.

We'll try this again -- no one has denied that we have gay brothers or sisters, nor has onyone (in this thread, at least) indicated opposition to having gay brothers or sisters. We have objected to the possibility that the names of our GLO's may be used dishonestly.

Look at it this way. The idea of a list like this is to (1) be supportive of closeted gays or people struggling with sexual orientation by offering encouragement and affirmation, and (2) show the rest of the world that their "brothers and sisters" are gay or lesbian. Are these goals furthered or undermined if the list includes names of non-existent people or of names in non-existent chapters? I would say undermined.

I don't have the time or energy to get into yet another drawn out thread on the "Gays in Greekdom" topic.

I have not read this entire thread. I'm not going to.

But, I took a quick look at the website in question. 33girl is on the money. If I could get a list of names, chapters and schools for everyone on GC, I could enter every one of us on that site. Or, I could enter the names of everyone I've ever disagreed with. Or anyone with a screen name I don't like. Or anyone who goes to a college I don't like.

How would you prove the truth one way or the other? It's kind of like answering the question, "Did you stop beating your wife?" Whether you answer yes or no, you're still suspect.

Some of the names are probably actual gay members who listed themselves, and I am impressed by thier courage, but a lot of the listings are probably bogus.

zchi2, I think you're being a little too defensive here. No one has said anything about being offended that their GLO is listed on the site. We all agree that we would welcome our gay or bisexual sisters/brothers with open arms. I would not be shocked or disappointed or offended or anything if I found out that any of my sisters from my chapter or anywhere in the world were gay. I was actually surprised that there was only one name listed, because I'm sure that there are many more gay or bisexual sisters. The reasons I decided to verify the name listed under Alpha Gamma Delta on that website were (1) I had never heard of that university, and I wasn't sure if we had a chapter there in the past or the present, (2) it was only one name, so it only took about 2 minutes for me to check into it, and (3) FuzzieAlum had just mentioned that it could probably be tampered with, so I was curious and I decided to check it out the easiest way I could, which was with my own organization. I didn't check the entire list searching for false information; I only checked that one name. And since that one entry ended up being false, I'm apt to believe that many of the other entries are also false. Therefore, I think this site in particular should not exist unless it can somehow be made more secure and they can have someone verify the information that is presented. I don't want someone saying on the internet that they are a member of my GLO when they are not as much as I don't want someone walking around on the street wearing my letters and saying they are in my GLO when they are not.

I feel like I should defend myself or something. Now I have nothing against homosexual people and I have nothing against homeosexual people in the greek system. If you're gay, then that's fine. I don't care what anyone's sexual preference is. But God forbid that I be bored and curious and want to verify a couple of GLOs. I checked a couple for my GLO, which is Delta Gamma, and one for my boyfriends GLO, which is Delta Sigma Phi. The one I checked for Delta Sig was the listing for UC Irvine, where Delta Sig doesn't seem to even have a chapter there. So I don't know if I believe some of those. If someone wants to make a website for people who are gay, in GLO's and out and want to list themselves then that's fine, but don't put fake chapters on there.

That site is for gay greeks to know that other greeks are gay and its for them to see contacts and to feel connected to other people. And there is no way in hell im not going to do something for fear of some ***hole contacting me because they are a "gaybasher". If people what to find out who you are ... they can ... dont go trying to be "protective" by saying its unsafe for gays to do this. And if your information is put up there and as a "joke" by someone who has your infomation ... tough ... your friends (or enimies depending who put it up there) suck ... but that has NOTHING to do with the web site OR the gay greeks who put their names up there. If people what to put innacurate information on the web, thats not the fault of the people running the website. Obviously the web page wasnt intended to list people who are even real, but thats the fault of the people who wrote the names. Dont attack the creaters and participants for something that isnt their fault.

Yes, it is their fault. If they are going to make a website that is intended to be to the benefit of those who choose to speak out, they owe it to them to make sure the information on the site is valid.

If they can't do a little fact checking, and verify that the people posting ARE the actual people (instead of some jagoff thinking "ha ha, big joke") they should dismantle the site.

so a couple of people are going to be ***holes ... so dont bother helping anyone ...
I dont think thats such a great plan
Sorry but thats just my oppinion

False and unsubstantiated information doesn't help anyone. The ends don't justify the means.

I think the point is, that NO MATTER WHAT THE SUBJECT MATTER of the site is...it's wrong to just post up that information without checking up on it.

I agree. I don't care what the site is about. I don't care if it's about gay greeks, famous greeks, or any kind of special site about a sect of people in greek life.

DON'T JUST POST WHATEVER AND MAKE UP RANDOM CHAPTERS AT RANDOM SCHOOLS THAT DON'T EXIST TO FURTHER YOUR OWN CAUSE.

That part of the site is a message board .... people can post what they want.

The creater of the site obviously thought people were not going to do stupid things ... Its kinda sad that you have to expect the worst from people ... and its even more sad that obviously a lot of you live by that and disagree with living by any other way.

No, Aquastar, what is sad is that a list set up by the Lambda 10 Project -- which describes itself as an "Online Community for Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual Fraternity Issues" -- to provide an opportunity for gay and lesbian greeks to stand up and be counted and, in the process, encourage others who may need that encouragement and challenge those who think "there are no gays in my GLO, may be undermined and possibly ignored because it isn't accurate. If the folks at Lambda 10 want the list to have any credibility at all, then they should want to take a few simple steps to discourage the posting of incorrect information. If they fail to do that, then their own credibility is going to be called into question. After all, if the whole focus of the Lamdba 10 Project is GLO's, then it ought not to be too hard for them to at least check out whether XYZ fraternity has ever had a chapter at AB College.

Bottom line: they open themselves up to someone saying "well if there are so many mistakes on this list, then why should I trust anything they have to say?"

It's called responsibility, and responsible reporting is in the Lambda 10 Project's best interest. That's all anyone has been saying on this topic.

Who's Out is REAL, Accurate & Confirmed
 

As the founder/coordinator of the Lambda 10 Project National Clearinghouse for GLB Fraternity and Sorority Issues, I wanted to respond to the claims that the "who's out" list is not accurate or confirmed members.

I believe that the men's and women's listing is very accurate and in order to be approved/confirmed there is substantial information that must be provided to prove the authenticity of the user. The process is not automatic and needs personal approval of the site administrator. As with anything, I am sure there are abusers (mostly homophobic people who are bored) who think it would be funny to list someone's name. However, we have a fail safe device that indicates such users and have caught such abusers of the list in the past. I do believe you can always make a service better, so if you have ideas please send them to info@lambda10.org--rather than just listing your inaccurate thoughts on a chat thread to discredit Lambda 10. For the record, the integrity of the Who's Out listing is high and has helped many openly gay, closeted gay, questioning, as well as straight allies.

My opinion on this post and others that say the list is not accurate or confirmed is that there are people who are not comfortable with the idea of gay members being in their fraternity/sorority and indentifying with their letters. But, that is the whole purpose of the listing to bring visibility, support and education. While Lambda 10 may never reach those who choose not to believe that there are indeed gay members in every fraternity/sorority, we will and have succeeded in supporting and educating gay and straight Greeks in understanding that hate and homophobia has no place in Greek Life.

Sincerely,

Shane Windmeyer
Lambda 10 Project
www.lambda10.org

Email me your concerns
 

Like I said, I know the Who's Out listing is very accurate. But if you have a concern, then send me an email at info@lambda10.org

I am very open to double checking these listings. I am checking into some of your comments, but please understand that some of the listings no longer have chapters at universities/colleges and some might have been colonies, etc.

Please email me your concerns that is the only way to make things better. Thank you.

Shane Windmeyer
Lambda 10 Project

Re: Who's Out is REAL, Accurate & Confirmed
 

Shane,

Thank you for coming to GC to try to allay some of our concerns. Although I don't quite understand how we can have "inaccurate thoughts" I would just like to say that you are still missing the point on the above paragraph.

I'm not questioning the validity of the site because I feel "uncomfortable" with any of my sisters who choose to come out and list their names on it. The problem is that some people have identified chapters/members who have never existed. I would be upset if ANYONE - be it Mother Teresa, Oprah Winfrey, Jennifer Aniston, whoever - represented herself as an Alpha Sigma Alpha when she was not. This board was similarly upset at an article in Us Magazine earlier this summer that identifed celebrities as members of groups that they did not belong to. Again, the problem was not that we disapproved of those people - we just did not want people who were not members to be labeled as such.

I hope you understand what the real issue is here and will do your best to correct any inaccuracies that are identified on your site. It will be a positive tool if used correctly.

While I respect what you're doing, I don't think any of us will appreciate basically being portrayed as homophobic.

Not one person has said a negative comment about gays.

Not one of us has said that there's never been a gay member of our GLO.

Not one of us has ever said that we did not want any gay members in our GLO.

But what we have said is that we're upset at being falsely represented. In just the few people that look through some of the names on the site that they saw chapters that have never existed. Most people in GLO know where chapters have and have not been, and if not, know where to find the list quickly. Most of us would get upset at our information being misrepresented on ANY site, regardless of the content.

The info for my GLO seemed legit, but others haven't been.

Good luck to your program, it's a worthwhile cause, but please understand why some of us were upset. And just because we're upset does not make us homophobic or haters. Suggesting that we are doesn't help your cause any.

I LOVE how because we want accurate portrayals of our GLO that makes us homophobes.

:rolleyes:

I know there is a lesbian in my sorority.

Do I have a problem with her?

No.

Do I deny her sisterhood to me becuase she likes girls and I like guys?

No.

Do I realize that there is probably more than one lesbian in my sorority and that the rest are probably just closeted?

Yes.

In-fact, my roommate was a lesbian last year and she continues to be one of my best friends. I tried to get her to rush numerous times.

What I do have a problem with is when my letters are misrepresented for any reason. My letters and my sorority are very important to me, and I am livid with the idea of someone claiming to be my sister when they surely are not, or someone claiming that there is a chapter of my sorority at a school where we don't exist.

There is a secrecy and a bond to being in a greek organization, and not just anyone can be in any sorority. Which is why, we demand accuracy when it comes to our membership, and people claiming to be in our sisterhood.

It has nothing to do with homosexuality, and everything to do with honesty.

If you want to make it more accurate ...

When a person submits info, call the fraternity or sorority national headquarters and ask them if they have a chapter at college X. Ask them if they had/have a chapter at X during the time the applicant supposedly attended it. And ask them if that person is a member. I don't know if they'll give out that last bit of information, but they certainly will give out the first two. KD Dani is right - first and foremost we want to make sure the people mentioned are actually the Greeks they claim to be.

If that information checks out, there is still the possibility that they person is not gay, but I don't see how you can check that short of calling information, getting their phone number, and asking, "Did you sumit this information?" Whether or not someone is gay, their name should not be on there unless THEY want it on there, and the current system allows for someone else to post information on your site. Using their directory-listed number is the best way around this.

I do believe you have an obligation to fact check - and I think you do too, otherwise you wouldn't have them fill out as complete a form as you do.

But, if anything, this site is misleading, because I doubt you'll ever get the majority of gay Greeks names on there, thus *under*representing the number of gay Greeks. And anyone who has the courage to declare their orientation to the entire internet has probably already found the courage to come out to their chapter - if they weren't out to begin with.

Let's review some of what's been in this thread, beginning with some tag lines:

Today, tomorrow, forever
~Sometimes the best way to figure out who you are is to go someplace where you don't have to be anyone else~


XO
"To be womanly always; To be discouraged never."

Hmmm, yet the posters who have these as their tag lines don't seem to support the gay and/or lesbian poster's efforts to be out - for whatever reason. If the Chi-O really believed that it was never acceptable to be discouraged, why would she try to discourage people from posting on that site? And, let's face it, the AGD who posted the first quote doesn't really know what it means if she doesn't "get the point" of the Who's Out List.

Of course, this thread got even better with:

"I think to make a page like that is kind of wierd. But, hey, if they are happy and proud to be gay then more power to them. But honestly, I wouldn't make it so public. "

HELLO?????? If they "make it so public"?!?!?!?!. C'mon, be honest. If one of your brothers or sisters told you and two others that they were gay/lesbian/bisexual it would be all over the chapter in 30 minutes and all over campus in 1 day. I assure you, it's not the brother or sister who placed trust in discretion who are inherently making things public. Think it through; if being gay were truly no big deal, then these people probably wouldn't be posting on that site. However, it is a big deal, and not because they made it so, but because people like the above quoted individual think it's "weird". I do accept the lukewarm support in the middle sentence, but that bright spot is wedged between two slices of crap.


"I'm looking for a word other than stupid to describe the site...
I just think that it's unsafe for these woman and men to post their full names, universities they went to, and then have a link to email them. Are they wanting gay bashers to threaten/stalk them? I certainly hope the people who created that site have some action plan if something terrible goes wrong. "

And I'm just looking for a word other than 'bigot' to describe you. Weren't paying attention in any of those psych or soc classes, were you? Your actions are classic examples of repression...the "i'm saving you from bad things for your own good" mentality. Well meaning as you may think you are, please examine your true intentions and feelings on the subject of gay greeks. I'm willing to bet you will see through the very thin veneer of your post directly down to the subtle homophobia.

Finally, since this now has become a soap box, the 3% to 4% numbers for homosexuality in the general population are data from two research modules which are generally considered methodologically flawed. Nevertheless, even if they weren't flawed, those numbers are ONLY representative of folks who WERE and ARE EXCLUSIVELY gay or lesbian. it does not reflect the panolopy of sexual orientations, including bisexuals or even those who have, on more than one occassion "messed around" (don't even pretend you don't know what I am referring to - or that the incidence of such situational sexual orientation is not rampant).

Maybe your house has no lesbians or gay men. Maybe there are a bunch you don't know about. There is no quantitative data available for figuring that out. Though, from an anectdotal point of view, let me tell you that I have gone through college satisfying my sexual needs with same sex people from several other chapters, most of whom you "would never have known...".

And, as a final note, just let me say that I truly hope that a favored brother or sister comes out to each of you very soon, so that you will see in their eyes the trust they are placing in you , that you will mind your pledge of sister/brotherhood and that you will not merely not reject them, but you will embrace them as they are. This, I tell you, is the true meaning.



K, I feel better now.

buh bye

I'm glad that you felt brave enough to create a new username, whoever you are, to attack several GC members.

Doing that makes you no better than what you claim they are.

At least have the balls to post with your real username.

I hope this last post wasn't intended for me. If it was, then all I have to say is:

What in the hell are you talking about?

Yes, I created a new user name........BECAUSE I'M A NEW USER.

Was there some information in my profile you thought ought to be there? Phone number? Address? SSN? Be real. I just surveyed a few other user profiles and those things aren't in many if not most.

You want ballsy? How about risking every friendship you've made over 4 years by telling a group of guys you've been lying to them and that they have no idea who you actually are? Now how about repeating that for family, co-workers, etc? That's ballsy. When you raise your nose from Prosser and realize that not everything in life can be equated as suggeted by Learned Hand (oops, did I tip my hand????..bet you've applied your laser-like analysis and figured out that I've already been where you are now), then you can judge people on their actions. Otherwise I suggest you continue to work on getting out of the bottom half of your class and finding a 2L to get engaged to.

To Phins2left:

I said that I wasn't going to post anymore on this thread because I was really getting sick of defending myself, but I had to thank you for that first post. I don't know if that is your real username or not. (even though I don't know how anyone would know...), but I'm so glad that you posted all of those things.

quote: Maybe your house has no lesbians or gay men. Maybe their a bunch you don't know about. There is no quantitative
data available for figuring that out. Though, from a anectdotal point of view, let me tell you that I have gone
through college satisfying my sexual needs with same sex people from several other chapters, most of whom you
"would never have known...".


AMEN AMEN AMEN

Ummm... what the hell are you talking about?

I posted that because you come out of nowhere and attack several well respected members of GC. We respect each other here, which hopefully you will learn, so when someone comes and just starts attacking people, they're gonna get called out on it.

Don't know why on earth you have this huge chip on your shoulder but i do hope you calm down.

Oooohhh big deal if you've already been to law school. And you know nothing about me outside of what's on here... for your information I haven't even started law school yet, not for another week. I'm attending on academic scholarship so it's very doubtful that I'll be in the bottom half of my class.

If you have actually been through law school, then you should be at the age where you "should" be a "grown-up" and mature enough not to just come in somewhere and start attacking people and tossing random insults.

No one on here has posted anything against gays. WHAT WE'RE UPSET ABOUT IS FALSE INFORMATION. And now people randomly attacking other GCers.

Listen, I don't appreciate being attacked personally when I STATED SPECIFICALLY IN ONE OF MY POSTS THAT I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH MY LESBIAN SISTERS!!! I know they are out there, although I have not yet encountered an openly gay sister. I embrace all of my sisters no matter what their lifestyles may be. I never said anything about not wanting lesbians to join my sorority. If they feel at home there, then I am glad that they found it because I think it's a wonderful organization for any woman to join, whether she is gay, straight, bisexual, old, young, black, white, green, or blue. I stand by the quote that is in my profile and I would never shun a sister or discourage her from being herself. The reason I said I don't "get the point" of the website is because I personally don't care who someone decides to have sex with, and I don't see why anyone would want their name and contact information posted on the internet stating something that may put themselves in danger. If someone wants to post their name on this website, then more power to them, but I don't think it's right that someone represented themselves as being a member of Alpha Gamma Delta when they are not.

Amen DWAlphaGam

I could care less who my sisters sleep with (well, within reason, if he was some dirty scumbag i'd take issues, but in general)- men or women. As long as it's not animals or children, I could care less.

Even though that last post from Phin2left was a little furious, why are you all so upset about that person commenting on the things that were posted here. No one got mad at everyone picking apart my posts. I guess since I haven't posted over 100 messages on this site, it means I'm not respected and than it ok to chop me up. All WE are doing is stating our opinions on the site and that is what phin2left felt about some of the comments that some people were making.

zchi2- the biggest issue is the way he did it and the way he made personal attacks on people for no reason.

Someone just told me a great quote: "attack the issue, not the person"

Which is incredibly pertinent here. However, if i'm attacked, i'm sure as hell gonna fight back.

zchi2, I apologize for saying you were getting too defensive a few posts back (although you could probably say the same thing about me right now, I suppose). That's probably about as close as I came to "picking apart" your posts, as you said (I haven't gone back and read anything else I wrote, so I'm not sure). As for Phins2left, I don't think that there were grounds to personally attack me for beliefs that I don't have. It doesn't seem like he read anything besides my first post in this thread, and he for whatever reason decided that I'm closed-minded and bigoted, which is entirely not the case. If you read through all of the posts in this thread, no one has mentioned anything about disliking gays; what people are more upset with is the fact that people are possibly misrepresenting themselves. I see this thread as being more about people being upset about "perps" than people being upset about gay greeks.

Please send your CONCERNS
 

Like I said, please send your concerns about Who's Out directly to info@lambda10.org instead of making comments about the Who's Out listing that are not going to make it better. I will believe you are truly looking out and support glb brothers and sisters if you want to be part of a solution and send your concerns. Thank you. I appreciate the energy put into responding to my post, but I would encourage and agree that the list can be a powerful tool if you all will help me identify what you believe to be "inaccurate." Thank you.

I hope to hear from you soon.

Sincerely,

Shane Windmeyer
Lambda 10 Project

homophobic?
 

Please don't construe my words to mean everyone on this post or anyone on this post is homophobic. I have received complaints over the years about the "who's out" list and the complaints have come from very homophobic people who do not want this list to exist at all. I understand having read (I think) all the posts this is not the case.

So, please accept my apologies if you think I meant to say you were homophobic. I only meant to imply (in my opinion) these are the reasons why many have probs with this list and try to point out "inaccuracies." I think you will find that the list is highly accurate if you contact many of the links/people and use it as the resource it was intended to be. Nevertheless, I think the women's listing could use some help especailly, so please do send your comments. To stand by my point, I do think a few of the posts may have had some degree of homophobia.. but that is why I hate these message threads even on our site in the bboard section.. they are so hard to communicate real meaning sometimes and respond directly to one person. Anyway, please send your comments to info@lambda10.org for the Who's Out listing.