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Sororitysock 01-18-2016 10:35 PM

Really? You think the NPC should just throw away rules that have helped our organizations grow and thrive together for 114 years simply because a few kids decided they didn’t like their circumstances? Membership is a privilege, not a right. When you decide to leave an organization, for whatever reason, it is your decision and the ramifications are your doing.

You have no idea about our inner workings or alumnae involvement or anything that may effect the membership of our organizations because you are not a sorority member. You’re not in a position to have any kind of educated opinion.

Since this is something that’s continuing to bother you after you’ve left your undergrad years to the point that you’ve put together a “petition” and are campaigning across the Internet, I believe you could benefit from the help of a mental health professional. This kind of obsession isn’t healthy.

SylvanAerie 01-19-2016 12:36 AM

Dear Elip...sis: The NPC has already had this discussion. And decided. All the NPC member orgs agreed. I think you'll need more than the number of signees you've got to make this seem discussable again. There is always a small percentage of women who decide they don't like their choice. And alot of those who don't like it in the beginning come to adore their organization if they stick it out.
Your examples are vague, but when you saw "girls getting harassed about wrong doings," you could have used your sparkling charm to defuse the situation and negotiate a truce, pointing out the standards of generous and ethical behavior your sorority sets as one of your goals. Getting harassed and bullied for doing what you were told to do? Thank them for the feedback and ask for clarification. With charm and good humor. Watching girls get ignored? Reach out to them, be a good example, draw them into a meet&study coffee date or in- house popcorn-and-a-movie night. Mistreatment wasn't rectified? Go to your advisor for assistance. You could have used your natural enthusiasm, contagious good spirits, and great ideas to motivate and inspire your sisters to better behavior. Maybe a lot of these women grew up watching The Simpsons and have never had a good example of polite and respectful ways of dealing with frustration. Instead of being the solution, you just complained and waited for someone else to do something, and then quit when that strategy didn't work.
The sororities you think you want to be in - that don't have these relationship glitches- already have women who possess these skills. They're not going to want you if you don't have them, and your behavior says you haven't mastered these yet. A second chance to join another group wouldn't work because, well, it doesn't work. The groups that want you also have these same problems. Same boat, different color oars. These skills are learnable and necessary in the workplace. Time to get busy.

AnchorAlumna 01-19-2016 03:36 AM

If your argument is that longer new member periods are needed, I totally agree with you.
If your argument is that you just don't like your choice, I don't agree.
Even at 6 weeks, you should be able to learn and experience enough to decide whether or not you want to continue for a lifetime.

sigmagirl2000 01-19-2016 07:39 AM

Aw, the petition is closed. So sad :(

DZ_Turtle86 01-19-2016 01:12 PM

I appreciate your wanting to have a discussion about your proposal, but you presented it to an audience who is dedicated to and passionate about their organizations.

If I was going to challenge Obama's policies, I wouldn't start by showing an impeachment petition on a DNC website, or try to discuss PETA with the NRA.

You didn't start a friendly discourse or ask for an explanation of the policy. You told us "The NPC policy is flat-out wrong, here's why, everyone can disclose rituals anyway so let's scrap the whole one-and-done thing." Of course you're going to get defensive responses, especially when you complain to a group that is opposed to what you want.

amillionlights 01-19-2016 03:06 PM

I.... can't believe what I just read.

DubaiSis 01-19-2016 03:47 PM

I know she's gone, but I'm wondering if she knows that some sororities in certain circumstances allow for a return to good standing after disaffiliating. One of my alumnae association members did this. Now, admittedly, she's still a flake, but she was able to pay up and become a member again. I'm wondering if her (and do we even know if she was actually in an NPC?) sorority would allow her to re-join as an alumna and if she'd take it now that she's understanding the value of membership in a larger perspective.

But speaking to the issue at hand 1-yes, most of us here think the 6 week new member periods are too short so you actually have us on that one
2-this will have been at least the second major contract these girls will have signed in their lives (the MRABA being the first, the intent to initiate being the second) and possibly more if their schools has an ethics contract or they bought a car. They should know by this point in their life to read and understand the terms of a contract and the repercussions of breaking said contract. The fact that they didn't/don't does not mean that NPC should change their rules after all these years of success. But this does go to defense of the whole testing to qualify for initiation thing. If they can't display an understanding of the terms of membership, they can't initiate. Who has a problem with that?
3-learn how to fight a battle. You lost here because you didn't know who your enemy was. What you are asking for (in my interpretation of what was said here) is an NPHC style recruitment where it can take YEARS to get accepted into membership. The one thing they know for sure is a member is committed by the time they join. But then you'd be complaining that the NPC sororities are too exclusive, to exclusionary. And there's the rub. We take chances on potential flakes. You decide if you're going to be a flake or not. So you're enemy is your own ability to commit and accept consequences.

Now we can go back to our lives, quaking in our boots over the changes afoot with NPC. Not.

DeltaBetaBaby 01-19-2016 03:57 PM

Speaking off the cuff, here, I think it would be reasonable for member orgs. to have the right to release someone from their commitment. For example, XYZ initiates new pledges after six weeks, and the week after they initiate, it's discovered that they were horribly hazed, and the chapter is closed down. Maybe XYZ nationals should have the right to say, "yup, we'll release them to go join other groups."

DubaiSis 01-19-2016 04:15 PM

I would concede that. But in conjunction should be sanctions to the offensive chapter. If the accusations aren't serious enough to result in punishment to the chapter, then they probably aren't serious enough to merit this sort of get out of jail free card.


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