Cardiac, instead of arguing with people who have strayed from the topic, why don't you answer my question, which was:

Let me just end this
 

I will put it like this I will not continue to repeat myself or continue to address all of the challenges yall will continue to present to me. I say prove me wrong becuase that would requrie research and when you do the research you will see the facts for yourself.

As far as stealin anything from your organizations, Please. Like I said the things you claim yall started were started by others and are continued by them as well as yall. And I guess someone wants to put words in my mouth because never had I had we distance ourselves from greeks and I even previously stated that we do services and events with the "BGLO" so why is she conituning the same post.

Let me finish by saying this unless you have questions about my brotherhood don't address me cause that is why this thread was started. ONE

Re: Let me just end this
 

Great deflection. Unfortunatley this thread is not about BGLO's continuing anything. This thread is about YOUR organization. You, yourself, started it to answer questions about YOUR ORGANIZATION. My question was honest, simple, and on-topic. The fact that you are choosing not to answer it says a lot.

Also, in your org's history (as stated in your original post), it states the meaning of the words "groove phi groove" and it is very careful to differentiate bewteen a FRATERNITY and a SOCIAL FELLOWSHIP. It also differentiates between your Phi and the Greek letter Phi. You don't have to SAY that gphig is trying to separate themselves from frats/GLO's, it is implicit.

Come on
 

First of all you aren't asking any questions I haven't already answered so why do you keep repeating yourself. How about this you read then write.

Won't sound like such and idiot. Told you i don't repeat myself.

Whoa...I didn't expect to read this much info in regards to G Phi G. I am very familiar with Groove Phi Groove, and Swing Phi Swing. They use to have both orgs on my campus (Tennessee State University) back in the 70s. There are efforts going as we speak to get those type of orgs back on our campus. I won't comment on your history because it's not mine to comment on. So with that being said, I would just like to say keep up the good work, and continue to support our local urban communities.

Re: Come on
 

Tell you what. If you have come on here to represent your org in a positive light, you are doing a very poor job of it. I suggest you send a representative with a better grasp on your org's history so that HE may start a question/answer thread and give insightful and thought-provoking answers instead of idle banter and insults. Thanks.

please
 

From what I can see due to the speed of your posts you haven't went back and read what I said previously so it is obvious that all you have to do with your time is try to start arguements on the interenet. You "supposed" to be a grown college educated women and you still have nothing to do but argue on the internet. I'm above that. and I will say I am above you and I WILL NOT address your childish anticts again so take your pathetic self to http://www.highschoolclub.com where there are plenty of people on your intellectual level. ONE

Re: please
 

lol.

The only idoitic one is you, joining an org that claims to be a different entity than a GLO yet adopting the VERY charateristics that make GLO's unique! Sorry you got rejected from a BGLO, but insulting me and my intelligence won't help you.

btw, I actually have gone back and read each of your posts for a hint of accuracy...but alas, there is none. And I am going to stop asking you to answer my question. You obviously can't.

well said soror showstopper!!! i couldn't have said it better myself!!! and for all of you out there who are confused about AFRICA and EGYPT please read "Exploring the myths vol 1...Nile Valley contributions to Civilization" by scholar Dr. Anthony T. Browder. it will clear up a lot of confusion. A very interesting part is when King Akhenaton is considered to be deformed because of his facial features...because of his nose...lips...and facial structure. basically he looks like an AFRICAN so he must be deformed??? I find the "semite" theory interesting...but i've read the books and retaught myself because of all the years of MISEDUCATION i have received!!!

what bro. cardiac is trying to say is...give credit where credit is due and learn your history b/c it is not just black history...it's everyone's history!!! I feel what you are saying and respect your org....i know a lot of good men of GROOVE!!! good luck with educating these folks on here!!!

-just 2 convinced

I was wondering the same thing. But it seems there will never be an answer to this question.

One of the mysteries of life...LOL

Obeservant and Eaglechick
 

SOmeone inquired about my organization and I started this thread saying if anyone has questions feel free to ask. Thats why this thread was started. If you don't like that i'm here now, that's your problem. Ok


Justconvinced thatnks for the comments, what school do you go to.

Please state where in my post where I stated my problem with you being here. You aren't fraternal or greek, but you do greek actions-line names, stepping, etc. Hey if you want to be partially down, do your thing.

As a male you shouldn't be so touchy.

observant
 

Listsen shorty touchy ain't got nothing to do with it. Like I told Whatever her name is before you. Read all my posts before you keep askin me the same questions.

You know what for the sake of arguement I will repeat myself.
As far as "copying" from Greek lettered orgs. The idea of have lines with nummbers and such came from masons so if we copy anyone it would be them. And as far Stepping, we step because it's of African Tradition and my brotherhood seeks to encompass as many different aspects of our African American and African culture as possible.

And as far as being partially down, please. On my yard everyone has always known me and I was invited to interest meetings for every organization that was active on my yard. I choose Groove cause It embodies all the things I have always been about. I honestly could care less if any other brotherhoods or sisterhoods like mine cause I pledged for myself and I pledged Groove not them. I ain't tryin to offend no one but that's how it is.

That's real!

Cardiac, I am not challenging you for the fun of it, I am trying to see what logic your org is based on. You all seem to admonish the Greek system for basing its symbols and ceremonies on other cultures, yet you do the same exact thing.

Just trying to find some clarity... lose the insecurity, sweetheart.

Word to the wise: don't start a thread offering to answer any questions about your org if you are not informed enough to do so. That way you won't have to get sensitive or defensive, and you won't have to resort to childish name-calling. Thanks.

Just a little history lesson...
 

The theory about Egyptians being Semites is wrong. Maybe someone was misinformed or confused but that just isn't fact. The Semites are a group of ancient people who lived in the Middle East and North Africa who spoke a Semitic language. The Semites are supposedly descendents of Shem, Noah's son from the bible. The Hebrews were in fact Semites, so that alone shows that Egyptians were not. The Egytians hieroglyphics sp? is a Hammito-Semitic language but they already had this language and culture long before the Semites came somewhere as early as 2500 bc. Actually, the Hammito-Semitic language has its origin in Africa because only there can all of its componets be found.
As far as their being a difference between African and Semitic culture, please explain since many Semites lived in N. Africa and probably came from their. Africa is a diverse continent and it does none of us justice to ASSume that all Africans look or act the same or have the same culture/religion. This is what I felt was implied veiwing several of the post. As far as Cardiac, he was just telling people about his brotherhood and I respect that. IF anyone was misinforming people about yoru respetive fraternities, I think, most of you would have done the same thing. I am not even going to touch on the everything being stolen from Africa theory because I biased. My ancestors were so you know...

IF I have offended anyone I am sorry I only wrote this because I kept hearing there is this big difference between Africans and Semites and I still dont know what that big difference is. Any information I have written can be found at enclyopedia.com

smooches,

bee

History can be a very deceiving tool, because it is far from standardized. If you check Queen Elizabeth's calendar, you probably won't find an entry for July 4th. Why? Well, it holds no significance to Britain. To us, it is everything. Ask an AKA and a Delta about the founding of the latter's organization, and you'll probably get two very different accounts. Sometimes, history is in the eye of the beholder. Thus arguing with someone else's concept of historical facts can be almost redundant, since everyone is mostly right, yet nobody is completely correct, in a sense. Feel me?
For example, to the average person, Abe Lincoln was a hero. I, however, beg to differ for a number of reasons, some of which Cardiac touched upon. I doubt that I could convince his peeps and descendants otherwise. It's all in what you believe.
However, to say stuff is "stolen" is kinda stretching it. Yes, through the years, stuff has been appropriated from cultures, but I will not use the term "steal". To me, that is another way of warping history, and remaking facts into opinions. There is so much info out there, that will be dormant if we don't find it. There is so much stuff black people will never understand about white, and vice-versa.
Anyway, let's get reasonable people. My girl Librasoul does deserve an apology. And Cardiac, how do you guys manage to expand, and attract new members? What are the main benefits of membership? How did you get involved with Groove Phi Groove?

TLAW
 

As far as beinging stolen, when you go to a country murder, murder their people, destory their cities and then pretend they never existed you stole something. Same with slavery I think that that word alone doesn't allow people to really comprehend the gravity of what really happened. It was way more then just stealin people from a country and making them work for free. What I am saying is that the conqueerers of Africa did way more then just borrow knowledge and leave.

And as far as oweing anyone anything, no. I'm way beyond that name calling and what not so i'm moving on and pretending she doesn't exist. I think she should do the same for me.


I got involved with Groove cause I used to see their members doing stuff on campus and I was in the Organization of Students of African Unity so we used to do services with them occasionally.
The benefits of a membership in my organization are too numberous to list and some indescribable but I will tell you a few. You know that no matter what else is going on in your life you got a bro behind you who got your back, I travel way more then I would have without Groove, I met bros from alot of different fields so the networking is great, I use my organization as a tool to assist in my personal goal which is the mentoring of young black Men and women, I have alot of fun........

Honestly I can't really describe all that it is to be a Groove,

Cardiac, I wasn't make fun of you or your org.! Don't be so touchy!

Cardiac, believe me, I understand what you are saying, first hand. Sadly, the greatest tragedy of the slave trade was not the forced relocation and physical rape of our people. Thus, in that sense, your use of the word makes sense. The intellectual losses can almost never be recouped.

Why Can't We All Just get Along?
 

Cardiac,

I am glad that you chose to share information about your organization. I think it's great when we can be proud of the organization we're involved and want to share as much as we can about it. I love being a Pi Beta Phi, I'm sure as much as you love being Groove Phi Groove. It doesn't matter if you identify your organization as a GLO or other. If you can be proud of the things your organization stands for, then it's all good to me. So I want to thank you for enlightening me about Groove Phi Groove.

To other Greek Chatters,

This topic got way out of hand. It should have not been about homosexual tendencies of ancient greeks, imperialism, "stealing", etc. There is not once race or ethnic group on this planet that is not guilty of something. There is not one race or ethnic group, that hasn't killed or taken something from another group.
As one person mentioned before. Not all history is wrong, but it's not all accurate either.
To everyone out there, history is written by the victors...whom ever they may be.

Pi Phi Love and Mine,

Emily

Re: observant
 

I've been feeling some of the things you've said. However, lines and line numbers came from BGLO's...not us Masons. Sorry:(

Re: Just a little history lesson...
 

I totally agree with you. That is why I have never liked it when school opened an AFrican or Asian studies. I always wondered, ok, which Africa or Asia do you want to study? Even within the same geographical area, people are different. Look within Southern Africa (my specialty :)) The Xhosa, Zulu are two different ethnic groups with different histories and languages and believes. By the way, the original habitant of South Africa are not those two groups but the Bushman. They are the people God Must Be Crazy were based on. Even politically they are different with the Xhosa dominating the African National Congress and the Zulu with the Inkhata Freedom Party. Same with Asian studies, most Asian studies concentrate on East Asia. Yet they ignored South Asia, Western Asia, and others.

Touchy again.
 

But yet you also stated:

"Won't sound like such and idiot"

"I WILL NOT address your childish anticts...take your pathetic self to http://www.highschoolclub.com where there are plenty of people on your intellectual level."

"Listsen shorty........"

Again I'll restate the TOUCHY and emphasize the IMMATURE. If you are so secure and happy you wouldn't be so rude and defensive.

People steal things from other people all the time. It's a part of life. The people who have had things stolen can't get mad, cause there's really nothing they can do about it. The people who steal will get slack for stealing. Deal with it.

You can't inform people of your org, tell mistruths and not expect to someone to question your stance or CORRECT your wrong findings.

Bro_strawter
 

I stand corrected. Then they got the line and numbers from the white orgs. My bad.

Though some of the posts on this thread got a little out of hand, I'm glad to have read it! I'd never heard of Groove Phi Groove before. It sounds like an upstanding organization.
I love my Sorority and am generally very touchy when people start to tear apart GLO's, however it was good to learn about what seems to be a good organization, even though some of the posts seemed clouded in negativity.

Re: Bro_strawter
 

Which white orgs have line names and line numbers? Can you prove this?

Thought not.

It doesn't matter as long as you realize that you "stole" that from BGLO's.

Re: Re: Bro_strawter
 

I hate to continue this if it isn't about Groove Phi Groove. . .but to answer your question. . .

My chapter of Alpha Phi Omega has pledged in lines at least since Bill Clinton pledged, and most likely since the genesis of the chapter.

Our chapter was influenced by the professional foreign service fraternity Delta Phi Epsilon and the ROTC fraternity Spraker Rifles. Spraker doesn't exist on campus anymore, but DPE still pledges in line as well.

My chapter was never influenced by any BGLO; we were founded in 1956 and the first BGLO did not come to Georgetown until the late '70's.

Now, I'm not saying that any single GLO originated pledging in lines or nicknames, but my guess is that pledging in lines came from the military and influenced various organizations at the same time, such as when young men coming back home from either of the world wars began to enroll in college under the GI Bill.

Re: Re: Re: Bro_strawter
 

You must understand that BGLO's were founded in the early teens/twenties.

My post was based on Cardiac's assertion that BGLO's derived their line names/numbers from "white org's" which I took to mean traditionally white Greek Lettered Organizations.

The bottom line is the focus is not whether or not BGLO's stole anything from anyone. Due to his lack of knowledge, Cardiac has effectively shifted the focus of this topic away from his org. The point to this whole thing is that gphig claims its originality as a main precept, while not being original at all. That was the root of my original question, as well as some other's questions, but it is something he refuses to give an outright answer to.

Re: Re: Bro_strawter
 

Yes, I was just about to ask the same question. I saw a post that stated maybe it came from the military, which I don't consider to be a "white org.". I know members of various NPC and IFC orgs and they never said anything about line names or numbers. Only a few of them know what I am talking about when I say line name or number. (This wasn't a call for Greeks to tell how they know what it means, I was just saying that many of my friends/associates don't know what it is).
Thank You.

My Organization
 

I have answered all the questions anybody has asked on this forum about my organization. Fact of the matter is that we have a "person" on here who's only aim is to attempt to atagonize me and i'm too old for the school yard games.

Like i said if any intelligent person has a question I'll answer it. I ain't never ran from Nothin in my life. So hit me up. I ain't going nowhere.

Hey Cardiac,
I recall you saying that there were many chapters of GPhiG, do you have any in California? If so do you know which schools they are at. I'm only curios because I haven't heard of the organization before, and if we have some in my area I would love to know what good things they're up to. In my opinion you can never have enough people out there helping others less fortunate, no matter why they were founded.
Thanks!

Cali Grooves
 

I know we have some bros at Cal State North ridge but I really couldn't tell you what they are up to. I know we have a La Grad and a Southern Cali Grad. If you want to know what they are doing hit up smokin_gunz@yahoo.com He could tell you more then i could.

RE: Post by OnePlus69Is70
 

Wonderfully and colorfully said! Is it me, or did this forum just get a little warmer?! Where were you when I was looking for an intelligent date? I'm highly impressed.

Need help
 

I see all these people gaining up on my Bro, what the brother is trying to do is give the nonmemebers and nonbelievers a way to believe. The critics will always be critics no matter how many facts you give them. There mind set is to criticize the writer to make him feel down. But, I see my brother held his own. Groove is beyond Greek and non-Greek status, Groove is in everyone if they choose to use it. I know I think so I know how to open my mind and see whats going on and not just what I personally believe. I am a Groove myself but my definition of Groove could be different from my Brothers. What I do know is that the Love that Groove has given me is the same as my brothers and the basic concept and reasoning of Groove is understood by every Brother in the organization in the same way. Better yourself and knowledge is power in everyway. Dont be ignorant and decieve yourself.

You do realize that you just replied to a thread that was 4 years old, right?

I'm gonna guess that's a no...

I'm not sure I understood that either...

till this day people still question the Groove name so , it's never too late, 4 years or 10 years we still study history right. I just started it for the year 2006, bring it

are you freaking serious? Did he really say that? I realize I am four years late to this party, but did I misinterpret or did he really say that BGLOs are the only Greek Lettered Organizations that actually remember their founders? I can't believe there was an argument about everything else, but not this. What a slap in the face to millions of dedicated brothers and sisters across the nation and throughout time.

What do you mean you "study history right." I've read most of what has been said in this thread and it is mostly complete bullshit. I especially liked the statement that only black GLOs remember their founders.