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XiLovin 07-03-2002 10:23 AM

There was only the short pan to the ground where you could see the letters. It was only really distinctive because of the "K" being larger.

LeslieAGD 07-03-2002 10:38 AM

Re: Hazing
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Lucky07
I can't believe how some of you are "flipping out" over "hazing". You honestly mean to tell me that none of you ever got hazed? I was hazed all the time...and proud of it...because I earned my letters...they werent just handed to me. MOst sororities haze...that's right, they are forced to do almost everything, they get blindfolded and brought to strange places, they get harrassed by the sisters, and they get no sleep! Oooooo ...shocking huh? And...they have to do everyhitng the sisters say...whether they like it or not.
I earned my letters, and I did not have to be abused to do it. :rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally posted by DGprincess
It seems very strange to me that their pledge house is NICER than their REAL HOUSE, but I guess MTV has to make it seem all beautiful and perfect.
Their "real" house already existed; MTV just "spiffed" it up a little. The pledge house was entirely created by MTV. This is why it may seem like the pledge house is nicer.

maggieaxid 07-03-2002 11:00 AM

i also earned my letters but wasn't abused doing so.

Lucky07 07-03-2002 11:04 AM

You didn't earn anything
 
If you werent hazed, you didnt earn them. Hazing is the only real way to create the special bond me and my pledgesisters have. And the RESPECT I have for the older sisters. Without it, a sorority is more like a club, its a joke. :rolleyes:

ZTAMiami 07-03-2002 11:13 AM

Re: Hazing
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Lucky07
I can't believe how some of you are "flipping out" over "hazing". You honestly mean to tell me that none of you ever got hazed? I was hazed all the time...and proud of it...because I earned my letters...they werent just handed to me. And furthermore- the rock thing isnt hazing at all-some of you need a reality check. MOst sororities haze...that's right, they are forced to do almost everything, they get blindfolded and brought to strange places, they get harrassed by the sisters, and they get no sleep! Oooooo ...shocking huh? And...they have to do everyhitng the sisters say...whether they like it or not. I dont know what sororities you people are from that call the stupid rock thing hazing:rolleyes:
Speak for yourself.
"'MOST" sororities do NOT haze. And we don't know what sorority you are from that you do not call "this stupid rock thing" hazing.

I earned my letters by going through my new member education. I earned my letters by developing sisterly bonds with my class as well as with the initiated sisters. I earned my letters by taking ZTA into my heart before even really knowing what my letters meant. And I know this is true for 'MOST" sororities

Your experience is NOT the norm and I hope that all non-greeks and prospective members who read this board are not swayed in their opinion of greek life by your ignorance.

LeslieAGD 07-03-2002 11:17 AM

A) I'm sure I know and care about my organization and sisters just as much, if not more, and there was no hazing involved.

B) This thread is not about your opinions of how "great" hazing is...it's about the MTV show. If you want to discuss it further, post about it in the Chapter Operations or Risk Managment forum.

End of discussion.

Lucky07 07-03-2002 12:51 PM

ZTA MIami....you are obviously the ignorant one....most sororities do haze....and I know this because every sorority at my school does and all of my friends in different sororities from other schools do also...and I am part of a big national sorority where I know that the other chapters do also....everyone just lies to the national office....and makes up a fake plege program. I dont know how things are run in Miami....maybe you guys have beach parties and go tanning together during pledging...but i guarantee you that you do not have more respect for your sorority or closer bonds than I do. What you call hazing is not what i call hazing...i dont feel that i was abused...i was taught respect, courage, and pride in my sorority through my pledging experience...unlike you. I honestly feel sorry for you that you didnt even get a chance to earn your letters.

And no....this is not a hazing forum....but hazing was brought up many times in this forum because of the MTV show so just deal witgh it.:rolleyes:

XiLovin 07-03-2002 01:02 PM

Lucky, you are obviously the type of person that hazing was created for. I am not shocked that you think it is okay. It seems that in your opinion, eveyone else doing it makes it right. That is probably why you joined your sorority, because everyone else did. Maybe you are right, maybe you do love your sorority more than the people commenting here. Or is that just what everyone else says?

LeslieAGD 07-03-2002 01:37 PM

Okay, back on the subject...I saw a new commercial today and this one was actually more positive. It was clips of the girls goofing around (pillow fights, dancing around in their pajamas, signing into hairbrushes, talking, hugging). I was glad to see Candace and Jessica hanging out in the commercial; hopefully, the "sixth roommate" stigma will dissolve over the next few episodes.

SigmaChiCard 07-03-2002 02:14 PM

just a note on hazing from a former post of mine:

Quote:

Originally posted by SigmaChiCard
I don't condone, or agree with it
But I can attest to Physcological Manipulation experiments, and various experiments in general behavioral physchology that Hazing establishes a cognitively dissonant belief that the final goal is so much greater than it otherwise would have been due entirely to the act of hazing. It's not the getting beaten part, or does it even have to be anything physical, as long as getting through it is VERY VERY difficult.

Very basic examples are
you get a brand new car for free or
you save your money working for 5 years to get one not as good

which one do you take better care of....the one you bought, because you convince yourself it's better because you just really put yourself out a lot to even get it, and even if before you knew it wasn't better, that perspective shifts and you now believe the one you bought was better.....the theory of cognitive dissonance as it backs the validity of his statement.

However, hazing also demoralizes basic principles concerning my founding, and I imagine the founding of most all other fraternities/sororities. It cannot create true brotherhood because no one can want to see there brother in agony so much that he will put him there himself. It creates this strong brotherhood, but as the theory of CD implies, it creates it on false pretenses. You convince yourself you and your brothers are tight, because if you're not...then why the hell did you endure the pain. A startling reality before your eyes! This isn't me talking, so don't take it too personal, it's the theory of cognitive dissonance against you hazers and hazees. So quit beating people..this isn't eye fr an eye...it's your brothers! would you hit your real brother or father to make him respect you more? hehe, probably not!

Cory
and

Quote:

Originally posted by SigmaChiCard
If hazing is the reason you're so close with your sisters, then your ritual must be really lacking. You do, however, illustrate my point very clearly. Hazing creates a dissonance that makes you think you really deserve it and its great because you got hazed. haha. Tricks on you! You now feel that everyone should be hazed to bond. I'm sorry for what is evidently you're entire campus, that your chapter participation in ritual does not do that for you. It may prove that you might wish to reevaluate your ethics. Would you haze your best friend in high school to get closer to her? That'd be a bit strange, wouldn't it.

And not to insult your intelligence (entirely), but let me see if I'm getting this point of yours correct. Because some orgs don't haze, anyone with money can get in, yet if your hazed, only the best of the best get in? Is this so? So, the people who let themselves be hazed, and take your shit for the first full semester in school which is when more than ever they need to be learning and growing are the ones who are going to go out and be productive members of society and for your GLO. And it's the (speaking generally) meat heads who love/don't mind getting hazed, so that's what GLO's eventually fill with, and creates the stereotypes we've got, add perpetuates them....you are truly blind.

My thoughts are scattered now, I will try to reply less frustrated later, but to end...

Hazing is about creating friendships on psychologically-inspired false pretenses. I'd say think about that, but you're predispositioned against it already. haha. I'm sorry.

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shadokat 07-03-2002 03:13 PM

Re: You didn't earn anything
 
Hmmm....let's see. Have a group of folks act like I'm the greatest thing since sliced bread, then treat me like shit by making me clean their toilets, run their errands, not allowing me sleep or bathing and make me look like an ass...all to do a complete 180 in 6-8 weeks when pledging is over...yeah, that's such a special bond!!! Sign me up! :rolleyes:


Quote:

Originally posted by Lucky07
If you werent hazed, you didnt earn them. Hazing is the only real way to create the special bond me and my pledgesisters have. And the RESPECT I have for the older sisters. Without it, a sorority is more like a club, its a joke. :rolleyes:

XiLovin 07-03-2002 03:25 PM

Ha! Well put.

UMgirl 07-03-2002 07:09 PM

First, I dont think the Rock thing was hazing. To me its one of the public rituals and just b/c something is mandatory doesnt mean its hazing IMHO. If thats the case Initiations could be considered hazing.

HOWEVER, I wasnt hazed and I just like many other GCer's earned our letters and wear them proud.

No offense but if I have to be beat, or some other crap just to join something, its not worth my time and I have less respect for those people who are dishing it out. I will admitt though that somethings that are considered hazing are funny (i.e being tarred with rasberry sauce and feathers and rolling around in it) and I would probably do it just for laughs. Then there is iother hazing that is just stupid (ie walking to class backwards :rolleyes: and not being able to talk to anyone at a party and having to stand against the wall the whole night. I know someone who had to do these things).

nwsigkap 07-04-2002 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lucky07
....most sororities do haze....and I know this because every sorority at my school does and all of my friends in different sororities from other schools do also...and I am part of a big national sorority where I know that the other chapters do also....
So everyone in the world is just like you and people you know! You ::KNOW:: that just because all the greeks you know have been hazed that most other greeks are too. Just like they ::KNEW:: the world was flat....right.....sounds like you're ignorance at it's finest!

Quote:

Originally posted by Lucky07
...but i guarantee you that you do not have more respect for your sorority or closer bonds than I do.
And without knowing me you know this too! Wow, you just know everything don't you! Just because I wasn't physically/mentally/emotionally abused by people that are some of my best friends there's no way that I could have a close bond or respect my sorority. What was I thinking! Just because you said it it must be true since you know seem to know everything!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes::

nauadpi 07-04-2002 03:43 AM

I have to add my two cents in here. I know atleast in my chapter there is no hazing. We treat our new members better than anything else. The go first for everything, and as we always put it are treated like princesses. As for the concept that hazing could make your bonds better, that is just funny. Before I was a member, there were some insdences on hazing, and nationals came in and pulled a bunch of pins for it and many girls left the chapter. Now how in the world can this be said to be promoting the sisterhood of the sorority and making you earn anything. People lost more out of the situation then anything else.

tkepunx 07-05-2002 11:47 PM

Hi. I actually go to UC Davis, and I dont think the rocks are hazing. It's looked upon as something prideful to do by most sororitys and fraternitys. I mean, I know actives in my chapter that have done it by themselves, without any pledges. Besides, doing the rocks once with that many girls is pretty easy. I have heard of groups on campus that do it multiple times in the pledge quarter, with a lot fewer pledges.

Phil

dzjen27 07-06-2002 09:30 PM

Is this for real?
 
Is this a real sorority? It's ridiculous. It is so fake and makes all sorority girls look bad.

Jen

tkepunx 07-06-2002 09:43 PM

Yeah, it is a real sorority. I haven't been active in my fraternity that long, so I haven't met many of them. But from what I hear, MTV is really making it seem like some of the girls on the show are really mean, or really nice, etc.

Phil

twinstars 07-06-2002 11:41 PM

the new MTV commercials
 
Has anyone seen the new "Sorority Life" commercials that show the pledge house girls having (obviously staged) pillowfights, etc? I happened to see it tonight.... it's terrible. They're trying to make it look like the show is interesting, I guess.

Optimist Prime 07-08-2002 09:47 AM

Jordan is hot

KarenC725 07-08-2002 03:18 PM

Honestly, most of my friends who were in sororities and I have just laughed at the program. It seems so odd to us how things are done and the creative editing that goes on. For all the pledges, it has to be a shock; the pledge period alone can be enough to handle without having to live in a house and have cameras follow you. Some of it isn't bad but I sure as hell would not want to be a part of this "reality" show.

SATX*APhi 07-08-2002 09:57 PM

http://www.pbase.com/image/2124674

A pic of Pauli.....

Richard(SNU) 07-09-2002 02:59 AM

Thanks!
 
Thanks for the link. If you review the whole Pbase album, you can see
that all six of the "Pledge House Pledges" make it as far as Spring
Formal. I can stop watching the show now. They're not going to kick
Jordan out. Candace is not going to get royally busted. Thanks again
for the link. It was good to see the sisters in a context not
controlled by MTV.

Richard(SNU) 07-09-2002 03:07 AM

One more thing...
 
One other thing: It looks like Jordan dumps her boyfriend:

http://www.pbase.com/image/2117670

Go Jordan!!

maggieaxid 07-09-2002 08:50 AM

so what did we all think of last night's episode?

i think they treat jessica like shit for no reason, just to be petty and catty. they are all in the same sorority, alll "pledges", why do candace and jordan seem to think they are somehow superior?

jordan should have totally dumped her boyfriend, he was being a jerk and i think she could do better.

ok, and if my sisters ever cought any new members drinking and not fullfilling their sober sisters requirements, shit would certainly hit the fan. it seems like if these girls do anything wrong, they just get talked to. they don't get in actual trouble.

just my $.02.

mmcat 07-09-2002 06:09 PM

agreed
 
they seem almost hesitant to force a confrontation...
you either do your thing correctly or not and leaving poor jessica hanging because you were drinking is not right.
:eek:

phisigduchesscv 07-10-2002 01:43 AM

Should it be called the jordan & candace show
 
Quote:

Originally posted by maggieaxid
so what did we all think of last night's episode?

Personally I was very bored by episode three. Plus I'm wondering if this shouldn't be called the Jordan and Candace show. So far it's not showing but a few seconds of "pledge" period in my opinion. I'll keep watching though to see what happens.

And what the heck is up with Candace. I think I'm going to start calling her the conspiracy theorist. That girl is so paranoid that the sisters are out to get them in trouble, if I ever felt that way then I wouldn't want to be a part of that organization.

Poor Jessica. What must she have thought once she saw this episode and the fact they totally dogged her regarding sober sister. Kudos out to Jessica for taking advantage of that and to MTV for showing it.

DigitalAngel126 07-10-2002 02:48 AM

i definately dont think i dig this show...can we say 'its candace and jordan time' ??? foreal.. ugh...

aephi alum 07-10-2002 09:15 AM

I find myself wondering whether MTV showed the final product to the sorority members before airing them. Seems to me that some of them need to do some major damage control... for instance, Candace owes Jessica a major apology for that sober-sister thing. And did the sisters know the new members broke the no-alcohol rule, or did they find out on Monday night along with the rest of us?

AOIIalum 07-10-2002 10:14 AM

I've watched each episode so far. I'm pretty disappointed in the show, because there's very little sorority life in the Sorority Life series! I'll keep watching though, because I hope that there's some good that comes out of the series instead of the Candace and Jordan focus that we see so much of.

Although some things have been a questionable (that scene from the recruitment event showing the Sigma members discussing PNMs on camera, for example) I've enjoyed seeing the sisters of Sigma on the show. They seem to care deeply about their organization and their sisterhood and I wish they were on camera more. I'm really glad that there were sisters who made sure that Jessica got home safely, and proud of Jessica to know that she didn't need to be driving that night! I hope she makes it through and is initiated into Sigma because I just like Jessica.

I wish we could see the entire New Member class instead of those living in the New Member house. I wish there was more about the day to day life of the sorority and it's members, and not just the few members that MTV are focusing on. I wish there was a disclaimer so that PNMs nationwide who view the show would know there really isn't such a thing as a "Pledge House" for sororities. I'd like to see the other girls living in the "Pledge House" and not just Candace and Jordan 90% of the time. I'm sure they're both nice young women having fun, but the image that MTV has given both of them hasn't been that complimentary.


Christin

maggieaxid 07-10-2002 10:23 AM

i have come to the conclusion the pbs or someother respectable channel should do a documentary on what it is really like.

DeltAlum 07-10-2002 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AOIIalum


I wish we could see the entire New Member class instead of those living in the New Member house. I wish there was more about the day to day life of the sorority and it's members, and not just the few members that MTV are focusing on. I wish there was a disclaimer so that PNMs nationwide who view the show would know there really isn't such a thing as a "Pledge House" for sororities. I'd like to see the other girls living in the "Pledge House" and not just Candace and Jordan 90% of the time. I'm sure they're both nice young women having fun, but the image that MTV has given both of them hasn't been that complimentary.


Christin

But then the show would be a real documentary -- which this one isn't. It's entertainment. Drama. Selected people in a selected setting. It's theatre, very loosely based around a few facts.

I heard somewhere (that makes this a rumor and I'll label it as such) that Jordan will become an MTV VJ as a result of this show. Boy, there's some journalistic integrity for you!

They may be nice young women. They may be gold diggers who pledged just to be on MTV. They may have been planted by MTV. Who knows? I'd be very interested to hear from someone from Davis whether they were undergraduates there before this whole thing began. Does anyone know them? Were they, in fact, recruited by MTV?

The point, I guess, is that day to day sorority life simply isn't exciting enough for "reality" TV, so MTV has manufactured the Pledge House and only shows scenes it can control and that will "sell."

But we all expected that going in. Didn't we?

I wonder how many women will rush/pledge "Sigma" next year and want to live the the Pledge House -- which will be gone.

This whole program is manipulated. It would almost be funny -- if it weren't so sad.

shadokat 07-10-2002 11:21 AM

Funny thing...

I went to the Sigma website today for the fun of it, and from the looks of it, only Mara and Jessica decided to stick it out, because the others aren't listed on the active sister roster, which is pretty small.

DigitalAngel126 07-10-2002 12:27 PM

i thought there was an active jessica and mara and pledge jessica and mara...at least, thats the impression i was under...so maybe they just havent posted the newest initiates yet, is that possible?

Zuma 07-10-2002 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shadokat
Funny thing...

I went to the Sigma website today for the fun of it, and from the looks of it, only Mara and Jessica decided to stick it out, because the others aren't listed on the active sister roster, which is pretty small.

None of the new sisters that were inititated with this last pledge class are listed there. The Mara and Jessica listed are actives from before this year.

33girl 07-10-2002 12:49 PM

warning: this post contains show spoilers
 
Quote:

Originally posted by DeltAlum
I heard somewhere (that makes this a rumor and I'll label it as such) that Jordan will become an MTV VJ as a result of this show. Boy, there's some journalistic integrity for you!


But DeltAlum, MTV would have to actually PLAY VIDEOS for her to get a VJ job...

I read on a spoiler site that Jordan and Candace don't initiate so she'll have plenty of time to do whatever MTV wants her to.

PhiStar 07-10-2002 12:56 PM

hmm
 


these are their pics from initiation. i don't see any of those new girls.
http://www.pbase.com/image/2962549

TrojanGirl 07-10-2002 01:10 PM

If you look at the Sigma Rocks pics (dated AFTER initiation) are from the Rock climing/making letters with rocks episode that just aired...


So, who makes it is still a mystery!

TG

Richard(SNU) 07-10-2002 02:00 PM

Ahem...
 
Zuma: Different Mara and Jessica (actives with the same names).

PhiStar: That pic is from the UCSD initiation on 4/13. The girls
from UCD chartered a new chapter. Go Sigma AEPi!

TrojanGirl: The rocks pics are from 4/17 and the Spring Formal was on
5/18. If anyone doesn't make it it will be VERY late in the quarter.

So far all the discussions (the scenes from Episode 1, in particular
the conversations with Leah and Leslie) have centered around letting
all the girls pledge and losing anyone who's not sincere through
attrition. If they change their tune in late May (the 9th or 10th
week of the quarter right before finals), that a really big deal.

Of course it's always possible one or more pledges might decide not to
initiate, but I don't really see why someone would stick it out that
long and not go all the way.

Bottom line is the sorority is eager to build up it's numbers and is
being liberal about taking people in. Remember they are not in
panhellenic and do not benefit from structured rush or a quota system.
Don't you girls know anything about how a sorority is run??? (I am
just kidding please don't flame me).

Ouch, I guess this show has me hooked, I'll probably keep watching
even though I'm sure I won't be surprised...

nauadpi 07-10-2002 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by maggieaxid
i have come to the conclusion the pbs or someother respectable channel should do a documentary on what it is really like.
I totally agree here. It would be nice to see a real documentry on sorority life.


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