Do you think W&L really suffers from grade inflation, or do you think their student body is just extremely grade-conscious? I don't have a clue... just thought I'd ask if there's a reason you'd say that or if it's just speculation. ??

Grade inflation is one of my all-time greatest pet peeves.

I think they have always had NICs, it's just the sororities that are local. It was all male for a long time.

It says the non sorority women's average is a 3.3-something. I'd say that a pretty high overall grade average. That's over a B+ average for all of the women in the entire school. You can only be so grade conscious. What about curves? It seems off balance, to me.

I don't think you can outright see a sorority's grade point average and be like WOW! You should look at the all-women's GPA as well, for comparision.

Most recent stats on the W&L website:
The Class of 2009…
Applied: 3949
Admitted: 1139
Enrolled: 466
Gender Ratio: 50% Female, 50% Male
Middle 50% for SAT I: 1340-1430
Middle 50% ACT Composite Range: 28-31

The school is known as a work hard/play hard school that takes both aspects of life very seriously. It's ranked #14 of top nationally ranked liberal arts colleges which as we all know have a different focus than research universities. In terms of LACs the only southern school that beat W&L's ranking was Davidson in NC and they don't have women's fraternities.

Are You talking about the Un. Of the South In Tenn.?

Located on Mont Eagle, East of Chattanooga and West of Nashville?

Called The Harvard of The West?:confused:

It is a Parochial School, Small, but Highly Thought of.:)

I always thought the Harvard of the West was Stanford! I never considered Tennessee as being in the west. The University of the South IS a good, "more selective" LAC, lots of merit aid for super students. It is affiliated with the Episcopal Church.

Is the Kappa Delta chapter colonizing with brand new women or are they taking over a local org? We know a lovely young woman entering the freshman class.

Kappa Delta has been on the campus for several years.

Check Your Quotes.

Yes it is an Episcopalian Related School.

Small and lonely on The Mont!:)

Haven not been able to find web site.

Anyone upon it?

Will try a remember it and look for it?

Where us it it?

Tom, Ask and you shall receive:
http://www.sewanee.edu/

Danielle,
So sorry! On the introduction section to this link, it implies that KD is new. I guess Sewanee needs to update this section.
http://www2.sewanee.edu/studentlife/...s#anchor573397

I go to Lafayette College...Since this post in 2002, 2 more fraternities have been kicked off campus. We only have 6 frats and 6 sororities now. The administration HATED Greeks, however last year a new college president took office and he has done a lot for the Greek community. He is willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, whereas in the past, the administration/public safety specifically had it out for the greeks.

It is true that the Greek scene is huge at Lafayette and does encompass most of the social scene. Our chapter total for sororities is still 75...5 out of the 6 sororities are at this cap or are close to it. Fraternities vary in terms of number of members.

Why the hell did all of my posts get deleted out of this topic??? That is pretty much fucking bullshit. I kept to the topic and didn't make any posts that were offensive in the least bit. Or did the piece of shit moderator delete them because MY list of top Greek schools were all located in the South? Sorry, I didn't realize being opinionated was grounds for having all of your posts deleted. Actually, after looking it over.....you deleted every post from those that argued that the top greek schools were all in the South. How about you grow the hell up.

Sorry for the language but that is absolutely ridiculous.

Again, that original list is a load of crap. Centre College??, UC -Boulder?????? No Ole Miss in the top friggin 20????????? I have never even heard of centre college...and from what I hear from my friends at Colorado.....the greek system sucks and is reserved for douchebags and surfers from California. I could go on forever........but those two stuck out.

..........and Tom........The University of the South is Sewanee, not Washington and Lee

Last year at W&L, 85% of freshmen women pledged a sorority and 90% of freshmen men pledged a fraternity. Those numbers are hard to beat... Plus there was the recolonization of SigEp.

Rest assured that grade inflation at W&L is non-existent. Just keep in mind that W&L women's grades tend to be better than W&L men's grades. Also, like most prestigious universities, people work very hard to maintain at least a B average. To compete for As is very extremely difficult and at the top echelons of the school there is quite a bit of grade competition. I should know.

To be correct, there are 14 NIC fraternities, 5 NPC sororities, and two NPHC groups (1 fraternity and 1 sorority).

Because conversations about the South are "off topic" and convos about grade inflation are on topic.

Quite frankly any list that leaves out the UofI isn't a good one.

Washington & Lee actually has nearly 2000 undergraduate students, plus around 300 in the law school.

My understanding is that the Greek life ranking is based on both percentage of those involved in Greek life and the responses given by students on surveys. Since most everyone's social life on campus revolves around being Greek (and even non-affiliated students would recognize on a survey that Greek life is the #1 aspect of social life), I would assume that is why W&L is number one.

Actually the thread concerns top greek schools. Talking about grade inflation concerning Washington and Lee is rather dumb. It is an extremely good school and has pretty tough admissions standard. I would say there are very few people at that school that don't perform well. They shouldn't be ranked first, but it is an extremely fratty school and deserves to be there. An I wasn't having conversations about "The South". I was conversing about top greek schools. Try again chief.


.....and I have been to UofI.....it is not fratty the least bit and I thought the greeks I saw and met wouldn't make it into a top chapter in the South if their life depended on it.

I'll never figure out why people think we shouldn't be ranked first, but whatever.

macallan, do you go to UT? I do.

You're kidding, right? TK is a Phi Delt, and I know for a FACT that he regularly attends PDT alumni get togethers. I'm on an e-mail list of several of his brothers who I am friends with and I see messages back and forth with those guys all the time. He is HUGELY loyal to his fraternity, and there are tons of Greek graduates in our shared general age range who have made millions and who he has persuaded to donate money in the millions.
Of course he wants to make the University better. He's a graduate of the school!
And quite frankly, some of the isht that was going on with the fraternities needed to be squelched. Tell me that the ATO's and SAE's didn't deserve to get the boot for a while? By the way, the ATO's are back and the E's have waaay too many very influential Golden Chief donors not to get back. There's too much partying going on and not enough going to college. Don't get me started on my own house. They couldn't win an award from our national if their lives depended on it, unless it was for most implants or most nights out at Potbellies or most hottie blondes who do nothing but look just a little too South Beach. Oh boy, am I going to be in hot water for that remark. But it's true. :rolleyes:

Yes...I do.

cool. I'm a grad student.

we probably need to start another thread regarding "fratty schools." I'm sure IU or Michigan or (Enter other large school here) may have strong greek systems, but its of a different sort. I'm sure they've got some successful groups, but the whole culture is not the same greek culture I enjoyed as an undergrad. If the best chapters at a particular school are filled with guys sporting hollister and abercrombie to go with their hair gel and lowered Honda Civic, I can't really say that the greek system is anything like what I consider good. One of my favorite things about fraternity life (in the south and a select few other places) is that some things are just classic. To start with, the fraternity houses. They usually are large and beautiful, with classic architecture and nice furnishings. Sure they get beat up sometimes but they are instantly recognizable, and aren't just any other house with letters put up and a keg on the porch. Another classic aspect is the dress. Contrary to what people may say, greeks in the south don't dress a certain way because they are blind lemmings, but because it is a purposeful and adult way to dress. I always liked knowing that if I ran into a congressman or CEO while I was at a bar or event (both have happened) I could make a good impression without looking like I was 17 years old and at a rap concert. I'm sure in some parts of the country you can wear a hollister shirt and cargo shorts and get away with it, but there are expectations in the south for how adults should present themselves. Another classic aspect is the presence of strong tradition. Look to KA's Old South for an example, or any strong southern chapter's regular formal in a historic city (Charleston, New Orleans, Savannah). We even enjoy different music. People from outside the south always comment on how weird the music we like is, but I enjoy the comments. On a recent trip a bus driver commented on the lack of top 40 songs played, but rather the abundance of Zeppelin, Dylan, Van Morrison and Robert Earl Keen. We don't expect every chapter in the country to act this way, but I don't understand how people view it as a bad thing. What is wrong with promoting maturity?

i agree with everything you said

agreed, i'll start one.

Honey, I went to a school full of people like the ones you described and indeed in certain respects I fit the description you give, but I don't know if I could call all those fratty boys I loved to love at W&L "mature." LOL :p

Now, when the Senators come around, for sure, then they're mature.

haha, you're right. The maturity I speak of does not involve beer drinking or partying, but rather being ready for situations when they occur. Adults party too of course, and they know when to have a good time and when to act completely business-like. Likewise, fraternity guys down here can party with the best of them, but when a situation comes around (parents weekend, football games, alumni events, being in public in general) you can be sure they'll be well groomed and well mannered. We try and replicate the corporate/legal/political world, where business and social events often mix, and one needs to be prepared to make a good impression even in casual situations. Just as most recruiting for southern fraternities isn't done during formal rush, we realize that the formal interview for that firm means little in comparison to how you handled yourself while draining a few pints with a one of its partners.

Oh, oops. Sorry, I must have counted wrong :)

At Accepted Students Day, they told us that it was 4 NPHC groups and that's what it says on the website (I just checked).

Ha, I went and checked that myself. We didn't have AKA and Alpha Phi Alpha as of the time I graduated in 2005, so they must have come last year. That's all Dean Tammy's doing. She rocks. I knew there was interest. We only got Phi Beta Sigma and Delta Sigma Theta my senior year, in the first place. The lack of NPHC groups had been ridiculous and when Dean Tammy came in she spurred the interested people on into finding ways to join the groups and was able to work effectively with the organizations more so than the former dean.

Just checked the website.

The Delta Sigma Thetas are members of the chapter chartered at Roanoke College, Alpha Phi Alpha is a shared chapter with JMU, and the AKAs are members of the Roanoke graduate chapter. Phi Beta Sigma is chartered at W&L but has some members from JMU, I believe.

Actually I'm glad I saw that website because of my favorite people in the world is now an AKA. wow!

Agreed.

Centre College is an old "mainline" Southern college located in Danville, Kentucky. Centre - established by Presbyterian leaders on January 21, 1819 - ranks 41st nationally among top liberal arts schools in the 2006 US News & World Report list.

Interesting Tidbit:

"Centre ranks first in the country for the percentage of former students making gifts, reaching 75.1% participation among the alumni contributing to the College's annual fund. Centre is thus known as the college with "America's Most Loyal Alumni." Centre alumni have figured prominently in U.S. history. They include two U.S. vice presidents, one Chief Justice of the United State, an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, 13 U.S. Senators, 43 U.S. Representatives, 10 moderators of the General Assemblies of the Presbyterian Church, and 11 governors. Others have become leaders in teaching, business, medicine, law and journalism."

Regarding Centre's Greek life:

Percentage of male undergrad students in fraternities: 51.2%
Percentage of female undergrad students in sororities: 52.3%

Current Fraternity Chapters
Beta Theta Pi (chapter founded 1848)
Phi Delta Theta (chapter founded 1850)
Phi Kappa Tau (chapter founded 1914)
Sigma Alpha Epsilon (chapter founded 1882)
Sigma Chi (chapter founded 1876)

Inactive Fraternity Chapters
Delta Kappa Epsilon (1854-2002)
Kappa Alpha Order (1883-1933)
Phi Gamma Delta (1855-1856)

Current Sorority Chapters
Alpha Delta Pi (chapter founded 2000)
Delta Delta Delta (chapter founded 1980)
Kappa Alpha Theta (chapter founded 1980)
Kappa Kappa Gamma (chapter founded 1980)

Inactive Sorority Chapters
Chi Omega (1988-1992)

i think that UTEP and UTSA are pretty "fratty" schools, right? i also heard that florida state and grambling had good greek systems.

Sorry, i just have to ROTFLMFAO. I've never heard that about UTEP.

He's completely kidding. The schools he mentioned may be the most GDI on the planet.

He may be right about Grambling. I don't see Grambling as GDI.

yeah, they may be "good" greek systems, all of them. However, if he really was meaning "fratty" then Grambling is obviously not, nor is FSU

WTH is with this "fratty" word? :confused:

Its just a description of a certain type of greek system of glo.

It is another web site that isnt nice to us on GC!

They run the gaument of dick wads and F-Sticks.

But, We have our own dont We!:mad:

We are More Mature I guess.;)

Yeah, they're not nice to people on here. However, I fit in fairly well over there.

You're proud of that?