4.

I'd say #4 too...I was interested in the beginning...but now I just don't see how it is different from Greek Chat. I have not posted much about the whole GX thing (other than I thought the idea was great at the beginning....you can check the posts, I've read but kept my mouth shut)

I would much rather spend the small amount of money/time I have now on my current sorority and leave GC the way it is, a chat board and nothing more! I am, however, still loving the ideas of regional "conventions"...I would love to meet some of my fellow GC members!:D

In my honest opinion, #4 is the best by far.

Collin

#4..get rid of the drama!!

DGPhoney...
I can see that you might be concerned that people who never wanted Gamma Chi to happen in the first place are putting #4 to alter the outcome, but after looking through all the posts on this thread, it looks like people who WERE all for this to happen are also saying #4... Myself included.
When I first heard about this idea, I thought it was great, but it seems like too many cooks are messing with the pot and now it has become unorganized and confusing. I think it is because there was no understanding of how to get ideas across in an organized manner. The end result, chaos. It seems more people are frustrated than happy with the situation. And it seems Greek Chat is becoming a more hostile place, and I don't think anyone here wants that.
If people go ahead with Gamma Chi, I wish you ALL the luck. But with the MSN site down and some of the Yahoo! Boards not having postings for days, it seems like people are jumping ship on the idea, which is too bad.

I initially thought the idea was cute but never in a million years thought that people would actually take it seriously and try to start something. I just don't see the point...we've got GreekChat and that should be good enough. So my vote goes to #4. Oh...and blast me if you will...it doesn't bother me one way or the other.

:)

Allison

Re: Gamma Chi - yes or no?
 

Why are you letting the non-GX members determine you guys fate? Do what you all want to do.

How sad
 

it's a pity we can't work together to enjoy each others company.
for sure, this idea needs a separate thread.
it's also a pity that everyone seems so uptight about things.
mmcat
:p :cool: :D

I vote #4, to forget the idea. My thinking is that GC (Greek Chat) is a forum where Greeks can exchange ideas, etc. I love seeing other ChiOs on the boards.

If posters use Gamma Chi letters I think it does add some level of elitism to Greek Chat whether you mean to or not. We already have levels of GC posters (i.e., Sr. member). Do we need more?

A person I know once got called to task by many GCers because she only had a few posts and some felt she had "no right" to get upset about a situation that was occuring. In fact, more attention was paid to how many posts she had than the merits of what she said. Isn't this an example of de facto elitism?

My concern is that a Gamma Chi group would not serve as a positive influence for Greek Chat. I see no problem if a group of Greek Chatters want to go some place (i.e., Yahoo or MSN) and do a Gamma Chi thing of their own.

#4 . . . no debate required

Good lord! hahaha
 

Thank you, I totally agree! I think it's petty and immature to judge someone by how many times they typed something rather than WHAT they're saying. Come on now, how many people here have at least 20 posts that say: "haha, that's right!", or "good post!" Where as someone new has something really interesting to say in their first one? You can't make generalizations in either case, there are good posts and stupid posts made by those with a large quantity, and the same goes for those with less! And you know what, as I've learned from experience, often the newcomer is the one who can see a situation most clearly, because they are able to view it without bias(conscious or unconscious)!!! So stick that in your...whatever, and smoke it! hahaha
And I say #4...for those who say I'm unqualified to have an opinion, well, you're allowed because, well, this is a forum for your opinions as well, and meanwhile I will just disregard it and continue to exercise MY right to post my own opinions. :D

YOu know, what started out as a really great idea, went sour.

#4:(
#5 Scrap the idea and start all over:)

Quatre. (That's 4.)

Just a great idea gone awry but still viable for an avenue for GCers to get to know each other if in the same local area.

I know there are some in the KC area that I would love to meet!

But there are many I would love to meet period! Would love to meet OTW on a white sand beach drinking fru fru drinks with an umbrella in it looking out over the Blue waters touching the blue sky!:)

List is much to long to list all of you so will just say, ALL OF YOU!:cool:

I too have been involved since the beginning, and did think it was a good idea. I haven't really spoken up since all the contraversy started. I haven't had the time or the energy to put into this that I thought I would, and in the past couple of days I have seen things just go downhill as far as GX is concerned. My vote is #4.

just one question: What does FGC mean? I have seen it on a couple of signatures and am curious.

I say 3 or 4

Re: Re: Gamma Chi - yes or no?
 

I completely agree. Very good piont!!!!!!!!

Ronnie :)

Having problems
 

Hey Gamma Chi's, Can any of you help me? The link to the msn community no longer exists in my communities list and I need to participate in the ceremony thing tonight because I'm helping a friend move Saturday so if one of you could help me I'd greatly appreciate it.

EGF,

SigKapAlum,

Phi Gamma Chi -- It took me a second to understand it, but I'm pretty sure I know what those posters are trying to say. Gamma Chi stands for Greek Chat, and Phi stands for something else I believe..... a certain word starting with 'F'. Got it yet? They don't like it, so they are saying Phi Gamma Chi. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I thought it was.

HeavenslilAngel - The new member ceremony is on hold, unless and until a decision is made to go forward with Gamma Chi.

BrianMUDU - yep, that's how I read it too. A little extreme IMO, but there it is.

Honestly? #4.

My thoughts exactly, Allie! I had volunteered to hold a position, but never did I think people would try to make it official...

#2
 

i think the concept is good...but...
mmcat
:rolleyes:

And we all know what they say about assumptions....

Furthermore, a little extreme? Maybe the entire concept of making greekchat an internet coed fraternity was a little extreme...maybe not...yet, we are all entitled to our opinions and views, may they be extreme or not.

BUT, now that you can consider something to be "a little extreme" maybe consider how some people can consider that the concept of "gamma chi" is "a little extreme." Catch my drift here? See where I'm going? Ponder those thoughts for a moment or two....

Thanks aephi. :) I just thought it was odd how Gamma Chi just disappeared off my list. :)

I am saying in general the people who are doing the work and honestly wanted to do it should be asked, I mean yea there are people on here who are like"Well, I wanted to do, XYZ but never thought it would actually happen or actualy have to do anything" but thats on them , and maybe weren't smart enough to figure out thats why they are on a committee, but hey thats there choice. The people who are actually making an effort should be the ones that actually matter.
But as always my two cents
DGP~Honey~

Time to speak up...
 

I've been silently reading everything for a while now. I originally volunteered for Membership Education and Development, because life long learning is important to me and I wanted to share things with others. I still think there is a need and purpose for that. Maybe I will start a thread for that, who knows. Do you even want THAT to happen?

For Gamma Chi, I'm starting to feel unwelcome here for the reason that I ever wanted to make Greek Chat something bigger. I would love it if we could band together, have regional meetings, educate HS kids and others on Greeks, and show that "no matter the letter, we're all greek together". (Sometimes when colleges make a big show of that, it seems so fake. Like they would look bad to their university if they didn't participate with a smile on their face. I know I felt that way on freshmen move in days at my school. Greeks coming together from all areas, organized on their own, would send a different message.)

I vote for #3. Lose the drama, the arguing, etc. Wear the GC letters if a group of us ever get together to do some sort of outreach, and work to expand ourselves and our experiences together.

And about the "Phi Gamma Chi" signatures (I can't make the symbols appear!!!). Well, since no one has said what it means, the assumption must be correct :( . And that hurts my feelings just like it would if you said "Phi Alpha Sigma Tau". Is it necessary now? Appears as though Gamma Chi has ended, can we please end the signature? It would help make things feel more friendly, don't you think?

Sorry for the length. . .

Re: Time to speak up...
 

First of all, I don't know what kind of logic we're using here, but just b/c I wasn't here to respond doesn't mean your assumption is true . . .

I don't ask you what Alpha Sigma Tau means, I don't ask SKAlum what Sigma Kappa represents, and I don't think it to be necessary to divulge anything about Phi Gamma Chi letters any time soon - b/c that's not what it's about, and anything that I have to say will be said outloud. It's not a crack on any one person, don't feel like it is.

Curiosity killed the cat.

Also - I don't think any of the signatures need to go anywhere. None of us requested that Gamma Chi be taken off any signatures, and I'd just ask for the same in return.

Don't feel uncomforable, PsychTau - you have, to this point, been a solid contributer to our little online community. You just jumped on board at a messed up point in time.

Like, Phi Gamma Chi is an honor society you just happened to join the other week? Exactly at the same time this GX controversy was turning nasty?

I may not know what ZLAM means in a ZTA's sig, or why Phi Mu new members are called "Phis," but we recognize these things. It isn't my business what they represent because they are standard phrases for the group.

On the other hand, if on a campus, my sorority had a rivalry with the Mu Tau Nu sorority, and all of a suddent they started wearing shirts that said "SKRU AZD," I would have a right to suspect they probably aren't just expressing sisterhood for each other!

Given the timing of your sig appearing, you can hardly expect us to assume anything other than the obvious. If you don't like us assuming that, then you can explain it. If you don't care what we think, then why bother responding to the speculation at all?

yes yes, again, more assumptions.

Why are we inclined to justify it? We aren't. We shouldn't have to justify it to you or anyone else on GreekChat if we do not feel the need.

You talk as if you know by saying "come on" when you really know nothing at all, and if we don't feel like letting you know..we don't have to, it's just that simple. There is no need to get vulgar and explicit on the boards....that can aid in showing the weakness in ones character :)

Have a rocking day

Good GOD...would y'all just calm down about Phi Gamma Chi???? Everybody reach down and pull the underoos out your ass because we're all getting worked up over nothing. That's right I said NOTHING. As far as I'm concerned...Gamma Chi and Phi Gamma Chi are nothing more than little black letters on my computer screen. So just chill out!!! There's wayyyy more important issues in the world today.


:D Allison

Words are never "nothing." Otherwise, folks would never get excited over anything said on this messge board. Heck, we wouldn't even bother communicating, because we wouldn't be saying anything.

Under that line of thinking, I could anything - white people are stupid and ugly, your mom is fat, I hate fraternities - and be "shocked" when there's a reaction. I mean, they're just words, they don't mean anything, right?

Wrong.

You're not seeing my point. I'm saying that everyone is trying to make Gamma Chi and Phi Gamma Chi out to be "real" GLOs. That's why I said they are NOTHING (and that's technically the truth). I am not for Gamma Chi because I don't consider it to be "real" and as far as I can tell Phi Gamma Chi came about to poke some serious fun at those on this board who were actually taking Gamma Chi seriously. Anyways...go ahead and blast me again because it seems that you have nothing better to do. I, in the mean time, will go to class and try to be a productive person. Have a nice day Fuzzie Alum. :)

Allison

i use DZLAM much like ZTA's use ZLAM - and the basic meaning of it is Delta Zeta Love and Mine ;) :rolleyes: :D

Gamma Chi was created, as I understand it, to be the next step in greek solidarity. Yes, that is a gross oversimplification, but it was one of the aspects I picked up from the spattering of posts I've read.

And now look at what has happened.

No offense to anyone on either side, but this squabble over GC has gotten, well absurd. We already have enough house infighting. Enough insults, and worries. No, I don't place the blame on GC, as it wasn't being forced on everyone(except in propaganda to anyone on these boards), but nor do I blame those that will be labed PGC for now, as I also belive they have a right to their opinion. But here is my suggestion.

PGC, let GC be. To be honest, I do not support GC, but I have let it be. It will not effect me in any noticable way if I do not worry myself over it.

GC, Though the ideals are good, I belive it is an unnessasary thing. But, I see no reason not to continue if you can get the support.

To the both of you, I'd say as members of GC/PGC, stop communicating. As members of said sides. Go back to being part of the GLO's you joined. I have an inate distrust and distaste for dual membership as it is. especially when you include such things as membership rituals, wearing letters, etc. But I shall not push that on others. Were this a war, and I was thrown in, to take sides, I would have to place myself over on the PGC side, just because of my belief on the premisie of GC and some of its planned things--rituals, etc.

Idealy, lets go back to our roots. We all have our houses. Mine being Sigma Nu. I am a Sigma Nu. I am also GREEK. Members of GC--perhaps try getting greekchat to unify greeks before making a small group of unified greeks, that some will take to be elite. Personaly, I'd also stay away from the ritual, letters, and "pledging." Members of PGC, if you don't like it, stay away from it. avoid the GC posts, and you won't have to worry or bother with it anymore.

GC can still attempt its full foundation as the first coed, internet, um. GLO.

And the rest of us can just be Greeks from our houses.

M.
Delta Theta Chapter of Sigma Nu
Knox College

You're right, I didn't see your point, and since I apparently misconstrued it, I'm sorry.

I agree, at this point GX doesn't exist, even if at some point people were trying to make it so, and neither does FGX.

My point was merely that words can hurt ... that's all. Words are never just words, even if they're not serious. Posting what appears to be an insult in a sig is going to hurt people's feelings, and I do disagree with you as far as thinking that people are oversensitive if they are hurt by it. I doubt either one of us will convince the other, however.

I hope your day is as nice is mine is going to be. Because mine is a Friday and is going to be very, very nice!

Since everyone has stated their case....

I'm finding these GX/FGX threads to be more and more useless.

Can we go back to discussing things that could potentially be beneficial? Like parties, graduations and things we want to be famous for?

This whole GX/FGX thing to someone who is not greek (and they do read these boards to see what we're like) would leave a bad taste in someone's mouth.

We are all ambassadors of our respective organizations, let's act like it.

LHT
Kevin
MT #5
University of Central Oklahoma

ill start - thanks fuzzie for signing my guestbook on my website :)

I'm more than ready for this to be over. I really don't care at this point whether GX continues or not. Do what you wish...but just do it somewhere else. That way people like myself won't have to resort to being rude and bitchy (because I'm normally not that way). Please Please Please someone delete these threads because we're going around in circles. It's really frustrating and I think that's why people are getting so upset with each other. Normally we're all happy nice people...let's go back to being that way. I'll agree not to post in here again. Hopefully some others will follow me. I know that this should honestly be the last of my worries because I've got a big fundraising event and finals to prepare for. Hope you all have a great weekend.


:) Allison

Fuzzie Alum...I also want to extend my apologies to you for being so rude. Hopefully all of this will go away soon. I hope you'll realize that I'm normally not a mean person. I think ktsnake was right in saying that we are all ambassadors for our respective organizations and I definitely wasn't acting like I should have been.

Allison