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All the drama!! My goodness, ya'll...
Ok, I'm going to have to say it-but I'm quitting, too. Between, nursing school(which is more than enough) working, and personal stuff, I just don't have time. And this just seems like it's getting out of hand-a little disorganized, maybe...I don't know. Sorry you guys-good luck!! |
While my personal opinion is that Gamma Chi is a waste of time and quite a stupid concept (sorry but it's what i think) I just wanted to say one thing to all these quitters who used to be so into this gamma chi thing:
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Oy, I knew I should have read GC over the weekend!
To those folks who think it's unorganized: Well, yes, of course it is! Do you think any organization is ever founded in a neat, organized fashion? Perhaps some of our GLOs were founded neatly and tidily - when they were just two girls keeping a secret, or ten girls, or 7 men, whatever. But we are trying to start something here with the input of a whole lot of people - does anyone really expect it to be easy? You know what they say about committees, and all we are here is committees - we don't even see each other face to face. To those who think it's elitist: Elitist is thinking some people are better than others, or that some people can't join. Well, guess what! Greek organizations are elitist! We don't just let anyone join! On the contrary, however, Gamma Chi is not elitist. Anyone can join if they're willing to post 50 times or stick around for six months. The only people who can't do this are people who are going to be unexpectedly hit by a bus in the next few minutes. To those who say "spend time on your own GLO": Well, I hope that we all take this _great_ advice to heart. Let's all quit our offices in IFC or Panhel or Alumnae Panhellenic ... Let's revile those Greeks who helped other Greeks found GLOs. I won't be a Rho Chi, because I could be spending that time helping MY chapter rush. And I sure won't go to that Alumnae Panhellenic Scholarship Auction - not when I could just out raising money for me and MY sorority. I'm sure not going to participate in Derby Days, and let Sigma Chi get the glory for my work. Forget putting together a team for that Phi Mu flag football tournament. I'm even beginning to feel sorry I ever suggested to my younger sister she rush ... I mean, they didn't have AXD on her campus, how could that have possible benefitted me? All it would have done is make some other org stronger. To those who are already ready to quit: That's your decision, of course. But I think that if we expected everything to be easy and smooth thus far, we were deluding ourselves. We have a lot of different personalities here. To those who don't like the idea of Gamma Chi: Respectfully, I don't think this message thread is the place for your opinion to be properly posted. I wouldn't go into a Sigma Sigma Sigma thread and say, "Oh, you're a dumb sorority." (Not that I think that, let me assure you.) The place for that opinion was in the original An Idea thread, or in any new thread you wish to start on the topic. |
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Maybe people are leaving Gamma Chi because it is not living up to the ideal you guys are talking about. All it is doing is spliting Greek chat into two sides. |
THANK YOU cash78mere! I have been thinking all this time that Gamma Chi was the supidest thing ever (leave it to the AX's, haha). Why the *&%# would I want to join a virtual fraternity when I already belong to a real life one that I love. I personally think that mine's the best (as I hope you all feel about your own) and don't need any other one cause I'm already giving AXO all that I've got. Maybe you all should think about that...
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Ok, I was into this gamma chi thing, and now I am not.
I am out. Sorry, if I sound snippy or whatever, but I don't have time in my life to be setting up time to be initiated in some chat room, to pay money for dues and t-shirts. I would rather donate any of my extra money to my own GLO. As for badges, crests, conventions...I don't understand how those ideas got going, and I don't really want to waste my time debating these issues. I have no problem with GC (meaning Greek Chat) in generally and its nice to pop in when i get 5 mins. at work, but other than that its just not feasible. And like some other person in the begining of this whole thing "i've seen these 'clubs' come and go"...I think maybe that person is right. |
Whoa! Everybody take a deep breath, and let's allow cooler heads to prevail. Some of the comments--on both sides of the debate--are getting hurtful. We can talk about this rationally, like the adults that we all are.
I don't want to be a part of anything that would divide Greek Chat down the middle, because I love this little community. I am very sad to see what's happening here. Let's all just calm down before someone says something that everyone regrets and the damage is irreparable. *stepping off soapbox* |
FuzzieAlum--
When I said that we should spend time on our own chapters, I certainly would not mean stepping down from Panhellenic or IFC or not participating in the Greek Communities on your campuses. What I meant is people are spending an awful lot of time on something that in reality isn't all that real. By being on Panhel or participating in your greek community or being a rho chi, you DO better your chapter, because you better the environment in which your chapter resides. That's the concept you should be worrying about. And cash78mere and AXWhoah, thanks for saying what so many people have been thinking :) |
First of all maybe most of those against Gamma Chi thought that it would be internet based and nothing more. Wrong! The intent of Gamma Chi was to go "reality" as some people would call it. Yeah, it was going to start out on here, because this is where most of us are currently and it was easier for everyone to communicate that way.
As far as the quitting thing...ok so what you do want people to do? You just plain and simple called it stupid and a waste of peoples time, but on the other hand you're saying people who are quitting are losers. Its like people are damned if they do it and damned if they don't. Also, you do have the right to say its stupid, even if it is hurtful to people, b/c alot of people did out a lot of effort into it and to them it might be like say AXO or whatever org is the dumbest thing on earth. I honestly hope you never run into anyone who says that comment to you. Sometimes you should do what the old saying says..."If you have nothing good to say, don't say it at all." Again, I have no problems with GX, with my schedule and everything else, I dont really ahve the time I thought I would for it and plus it is disorganized, but as Fuzzie Alum said...what stuff hasnt been. And as I said if anyone wants to restart it and completely re-do it, I'd be all for it. I stil think it has potential, if others dont so be it. Like everyone has said, no one is frocing anyone to take part in it. Anywho WE ALL need to chill and take a breather, we have to remember that no matter what we all may think of each other at the moment, we still represent our orgs. on this board and at least need to maintain some civility, because we have many interested watching this post and right now NONE of us are showing what Greek Life is about. As said, this thread will be closed soon, the sooner the better. |
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Let us all take a chill pill! This Site has done more to cement Greek Relations than any thing I have ever seen! There is no reason for anyone to leave this Site! This is similar to when I was nominated to run for President and had a Cabinent in place! HAHA! It is a thing of having a great group of people wanting to interact! You are a member of Greek Chat from the first time you make a post. There are and will always be people who say no because----! If it was not for this site, I would have never known many of MY Fellow LXA Brothers or Nina, Brandon, Sandy, Sarah, Kelly, Wendy, Wendi and on and on and on! While I may not agree with everything, I will be a member of GC so I can meet other Best of The Best! Where cab you go and ask a question and 99% of the time have an answer back with in one day? Hell we all argue but make up some way! Did you get along with your Brother/Sister blood or Greekness? NOT! Live for tomarrow you may have lilys on your chest!:eek: |
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I never called you or gamma chi a loser. But you are contradicting yourself. In one sentence you are stating the positives and purposes of gamma chi and then in the next sentence you are saying it is too unorganized and you quit. That doesn't make sense. How are you dammed if you do and dammed if you don't? Dammed by who? Only you can decide what is good for you. I think the problem is people went in full throttle and then decided they did enough and don't want to do more. If you don't want to be in charge of a committee, can't you just be a regular member? Also, please do not put Alpha Chi Omega, or any other established sorority in the same context as gamma chi. AXO is a well established organization. Maybe in 117 years, gamma chi will be the same and then they can be compared. Also, gamma chi was just started so why should it be redone? I'm just curious. no animosity meant, UMgirl ;) just a semi-heated conversation |
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This doesn't make any sense at all to me - again, can we stop using "PROMOTE GREEK LIFE!!!" as a cop-out to avoid opinions that differ from ours? Look - the fact that cash78mere and a few others have put into words their opinions about Gamma Chi does NOT equate to them showing Greek life in a negative light. She's been extremely civil, IMO - far more civil than some who are defending your organization. I ask you all to show her the same respect you demand - it's only fair. Let's find that happy medium, where we can have reasoned discussion about ideas and opinions without personalizing the discussion - "YOU DON'T REPRESENT GREEK LIFE PROPERLY!!!" is quickly becoming a popular cop-out on this board for rejecting the ideas of others, especially if they're antithetical to yours. |
I'm not contradicting myself. What I have been saying is that Gamma Chi's intentions are positive and what its meant to be for is positive. It's just disorganized currently which can be fixed. Something can have both positives and negatives to it. Its just a matter of which one outweighs the other.
You should have also seen that in my thread its disorganization wasnt even the main reason why I decided to give it up. I said it didnt have as much time as I thought I would with everything else that I have going on, plus its dividing GC which was the number one reason. I also said I was more than willing to come back if I ever got the time and it was more organized. Sure, I could stay a member but as I said, right now I don't even have the time to do that really. The thing about being damned if you do it and damned if you dont comes from someone stating that they thought Gamma Chi was a waste of time and stupid and we should be putting our efforts into our own org, and then they turned around 2 sentences later and said for all of you quitting...winners never quit and quitters never win. So... GX waste of our time, stupid, and efforts should be put into own org = damned if you do. Then telling us winners never quit and quitters never win= basically damned if we don't do it. Fine, I wont put AXO in with Gamma Chi, I'll put my own organization Alpha Gamma Delta into context with it. Why? Because at one time in its history AGD was a start up just as Gamma Chi was, and I'm sure that within my proud organization's almost 100 years history its had its fair share of disorganization, and people who thought it would never become of anything, because nothing is perfect. And it has taken some disorganization, people disbelieving, time, effort, and everything else that has made it into a well established and reputable organization that it is today and will continue to be. One that I and my sisters love deeply. I am not afraid to say my org is far from perfect, but it does the best it knows how, cuz nothing is perfect. The love that you may feel for AXO and other feel for their org, may be the same way some of these people who put their hard time and effort in might feel about Gamma Chi. Which is why when someone called it the stupidest thing, I and someone else said that we hope you never have the chance to hear someone rip something you loved to be involved in, apart like that. Why should Gamma Chi be re-done... because like anything, it has bugs that need to be worked out and since its fairly new it wont hurt to go over things that have been done and reform them. Again, lets just go back to being Greek. |
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What I was talking about was all the slamming that was about to heat up, and lets be real about this, people were getting heated and all H could have broke out at any moment. Yeah a majority were jsut saying how they felt, giving their honest opinions, but again lets be real about this. We need to be civil and just agree that we disagree. My feeling was that you have many ppl who arent greek interested in it looking at this thread and instead of seeing people calmly disagree with each other and explain why they felt that way or whatever, they were about to see an all out war of words. Not to paint a picture that Greek Life is perfect and that everyone lives happily ever after, but to show that, hey we all dont have to wrap ourselves into a war over gamma chi and theres more to this site than debating over this thread. ya know like showing interest in the other threads out there. |
Calling folks out...
Alrighty - I tried to keep it nice and simple by simply quoting my agreement with KSig's earlier post...and then two of my beloved sisters - Cash & AXWhoah - put their neck out and called the spade a spade (based on their opinion, which MANY of us feel, but haven't put down in black and white font).
Now I have a problem...UMGirl - you are taking this stuff WAY too personal. That is what I was agreeing with KSig on. I could totally understand if it was AGD under fire (which is what I feel is happening to AXO right now) but not GX. Cash & AXWhoah just both stated that in their opinions, it was a stupid idea. Next thing I see is AXO this and AXO that -- I have to agree 1885% with Cash and say that AXO (nor any other established org) should not be put in the same context with GX. Yes - we all did have a start-up of humble beginnings...but we (and this goes for ALL greek orgs out there) worked damn hard to put it # 1 in our hearts. You want to make GX work, then fine by me...but you are sitting here saying words to the contrary in every other line -- I think that for some reason this has just been put into the total "personal attack" mode when that wasn't the intention. I wouldn't for the life of me sit here and call out AGD, or any other org and use them as a "stupid" example -- whether it was meant intentionally or just thrown out there as an example. I highly doubt that you would have used certain other orgs as your class example either. Its just not done and its just not right. (to everyone): As for GX -- whatever floats your boat...I just don't think you should use GC as your forum. If you guys have the GX yahoo club, then take off -- hope to hear nothing but good things come of it (not saying get out of GC land...just move the plans for the new clubhouse from the middle of the established course). |
I think those asking everyone to "chill" and "relax" should start taking their own advice before asking others to do so. :rolleyes:
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tis the time of the season
communication should be what it's all about. if we are talking to each other and working with each other, we can better communicate to the outside world.
you folks taking finals are tired. usns trying to finish the year are tired... let's work on this. it's a good concept... mmcat :cool: |
all ya need is love...
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Disagreeing with Gamma Chi does not equal personal attacks on people or their organizations.
People's disagreements seem to, for the most part, not be of the "Gamma Chi sucks and so do the people in it" variety. People against Gamma Chi, for the most part, have given out reasonable answers why - the same answers they give when they talk about why they pledged Fraternity/Sorority A over Fraternity/Sorority B,C, or D in other threads. Let's keep perspective here. Debate isn't a bad thing. Collin |
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OK folks, I am getting tired of this back biting or what ever You may want to call it!
GreekChat is not a Greek Organization but a group of Greeks who were lucky enuff to find this site and enjoy the Company of Greeks other than our own! Finding Greeks from different organizations helping each other with any and all problems! Some get over happy with the idea cause I cant spell zealous -over! I always was told if you shit in one hand and then the next hand, what do you have/ Shit all over! We do not need initation dues or any ther thing that will cost money! We are or most of us are memembers of Greek Orgs. That Is Your First Priority!:cool: Yes, I and we would like to meet the people we are conversing with so that is the regioanl meetings not to set by-laws but to have a Toddy with and say HI! DA! |
"When I said that we should spend time on our own chapters, I certainly would not mean stepping down from Panhellenic or IFC or not participating in the Greek Communities on your campuses. What I meant is people are spending an awful lot of time on something that in reality isn't all that real."
(sorry, quoting isn't working for me for some reason.) I think you're right, in that GX isn't anything - yet. There have been a lot of orgs started in this world that didn't go anywhere and faded away, and at its inception, no organization is real. But I think that most of the people involved in GX are hoping to make something permanent and valuable of it. I think it's maybe not quite fair to criticize for not being big and powerful yet: If in ten years people are still futzing around about crests, that will be different. Still, I think there is a danger in that we're spending more time worrying about crests and conventions than what Gamma Chi is truly about. It isn't meant to be a general Greek letter fraternity, and it isn't an honor society, and it isn't an interfraternal organization. What do we hope to accomplish and how? I can see how the focus on the externals has turned a lot of people off. ... However, I do believe that there is nothing wrong whatsoever with Greek Chat being our forum and platform. I don't hear anyone arguing that the threads on hair, why boys/girls suck, what kind of purses we like, or anything else not specfically Greek are out of place, and they are even less directly related to Greek life. Now perhaps GX should have its own category on the site, but some folks are working on that, and suggesting it again won't make it happen any faster. P.S. I hope I didn't offend anyone by picking Tri-Sigma as an example. I wanted to illustrate how much it hurts people to see their org insulted, and didn't think that making up Mu Phi Mu Chi would have the same effect. I don't personally know any Tri-Sigmas but what I know about their organization has impressed me very much. |
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I can completely understand and respect those who disagree with Gamma Chi. I can understand and respect that some people don't understand what Gamma Chi's purpose is, don't feel that it's a place for them etc. And you know what? That's OK! Really! It would be foolish to think that everyone is going to like everything. :) However, when a couple of people posted that they thought Gamma Chi was stupid, I didn't think that was very nice. For example, when AXWoah said that Gamma Chi was, "...the supidest thing ever", that hurt my feelings. Believe me, I agree that people can have the right to an opinion, and I am more than glad to hear out reasonable discussions. But, as someone else pointed out earlier, it's just not nice to name an organization and effectively say, "you suck." If I went onto the Greek Life forum and posted a message like, "I visited suchandsuch university today and boy, let me tell ya, XYZ sorority is the lamest chapter I ever saw!" there would be an uproar about it. Yet, some think its ok to say something like that about Gamma Chi. Respectfully, a more appropriate post would have been something like "I just can't see myself signing up for something like Gamma Chi. I feel that it takes away from my GLO...it doesn't have a strong mission etc." A couple people did that and I appreciate that very much. Thank you. However, a few people said things that I thought were mean. Does everyone understand what I am trying to say here? Also, I do not agree with the people who have been saying that Gamma Chi is not a "real" organization. That's an unfair thing to say. How does an organization become "real"? Is it by your standards? Is it only "real" when a trademark is filed with the US government? In that case, many of the locals on Greek Chat would not be allowed to discuss their organizations here either. Gamma Chi is very real. As for the whole argument that crests, rituals and stuff should be ignored. I both agree and disagree. Things like that are fun to have and important too. However, it shouldn't have been a top priority. Setting a mission and writing a constitution should have been a top priority. But, as I've mentioned before, everyone wanted to help out so badly that we created the various committees to help people get involved. Just as I predicted, too many cooks spoiled the broth. :) Now, that's not saying that these people were foolish for wanting to have that committee, but that many people did their own thing without communicating it to the rest of the group. In case no one noticed, I did try my best to get things organized in an orderly fashion. However, people just got a little too carried away with it all. :) I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I agree that some of the Gamma Chi people have made some negative posts. However, I think I can understand why. Everyone got excited about the idea of Gamma Chi and started taking off in different directions instead of letting the committees do their jobs. The membership committee in particular was under additional strain from people asking over and over and over and over about how they can join Gamma Chi. Frankly, the information had been posted several times - it just that people weren't reading it. Then they'd get upset when no one PM'd them to personally explain how to go about it. That's when the membership committee posted this "pay attention" post. Was it the nicest post ever? Nope. But, as someone who has had experiences very similar to this, I can understand why the membership committee felt that they were tired of explaining this to people. Even though I am not a member of the membership committee, I have been one of the people working on Gamma Chi. I wish to extend my personal apologies to those who feel that they have been excluded, or that their opinions haven't been properly received. I hope you can take some consolation in knowing that I have heard and registered your opinions. I will do my best to help clarify some of the issues with Gamma Chi, starting with: 1) Finding a way to get the Gamma Chi discussions off of the Greek Life forum 2) Setting a solid and definite mission statement. I do not feel that anyone's posts have been a personal attack against me. I hope that everyone receives my words today in the respectful and gentle manner in which I wrote them. Hugs to everyone! :) ......Kelly :) |
Okay people need to chill and get a life! This whole Gamma Chi thing is stupid. How dare you compare it to my org which is more than a hundred years old. Everyone is gettting all upity about a virtual fraternity that is only like a month old and will probably disolve within another couple of months anyway. Seriously you guys....maybe you need to spend a little less time in front of your computers and more time in the real world. I'm gonna get blasted for this but oh well, this needed to be said. All that I meant by my post was that maybe instead of planning these elaborate ceremonies for Gamma Chi you should invest your time into your own fraternity. Sorry if I offended anyone. And seriously, stop lampooning Alpha Chi!
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Again, I reiterate what I said in my post above.
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Fight fight!!!
Take it to chat you all!
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I have to laugh. This is turning into a regular sorority chapter meeting.
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Thank you, for leaving out the "my personal opinion" from these two quotes that Cash & AXWhoah made. Thank you for assuming that because these two disagree with the IDEA of Gamma Chi, that they must be therefore disagreeing with you as a person and as a member of any greek org.
And thank you for taking out of context (AGAIN) AXWhoah's statement when she said her org is the best where she immediately followed with "as we all think ours is" -- quoting is a wonderful thing when you INCLUDE all the essential elements. If your stake in GX and your own personal self-esteem is such that two opinions could make you jump into the black hole of these conclusions, then I guess I should say thank you for thinking that much of yourself. WOW - people have differing opinions?? I am TRULY stunned. Quote:
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Stupid this....Stupid that....
You all are entitled to your own opinion.
But, come on, is it really neccessary to use that word? There are 101 and other words you can use to express your discontent besides that...well, "stupid" word. |
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C'mon people!
First off, Gamma Chi simply wasn't something I was ever interested in, so this is the first time I've read any thread pertaining to it.
That said, I cannot believe some of the things that have been said on here. Calling something people are interested in "stupid"? When my six year old says that about something, I remind her that it isn't polite to say that. If people aren't interested, why can't they just ignore it? There is simply no reason to be mean. And I'm not talking about resident troublemakers here, I am talking about people I whose posts I have enjoyed immensely in the past, good, normal people who contribute lots of good things to GreekChat. The people who are taking the time to put together the different aspects of Gamma Chi are doing it for positive reasons; I don't see even a hint of megalomania in their posts. Any start-up is bound to be confusing, so can't people just give them credit for trying and leave it at that? Forgive me, I'm not normally Miss Mary Sunshine trying to blow sunshine. But please everyone step back and take a deep breath, ok? :) |
I have something really obnoxious to say, but I won't say it here bc i will get blasted. but pm me if you want to hear it.
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I'm all for free speech, opinions and ideas, but can someone please shut this thread down before people get even more pissed off and divided than they already are.
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KarenC, I totally agree with you!!
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Any new points?
People here are getting a bit frazzled. This conversation is going in vicious circles and getting more hurtful every time I check the thread.
I think that BOTH sides have good points. I promised that I would give no more of my opinions on the actual subject at hand so I won't;) A lot of people (on both sides) are using a very confrontational, aggressive style of approaching this. When this style is used the person on the recieving end (or someone who percieves themselves to be there) AUTOMATICALLY goes to the defensive. We know what it's like trying to explain our side of things to someone who's on the defensive. Kind of like banging your head on a brick wall. ------------------ THE POINT OF THIS POST: Both sides have stated their case, there CLEARLY will be no resolution to this (at least in the manner in which it is being argued). I'd suggest that if you have something bugging you, take it up in PM with the person you disagree with (civilly) (and maybe, PLEASE, let this thread fade away, I don't personally like the idea of locking down a thread just because there is some contraversy) Otherwise, go bang your head on a brick wall:D Respectfully, Kevin MT #5 University of Central Oklahoma |
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