I just have one question why is a Zeta changing the words of an AKA's poem. No disrespect just want to know why????

Pinkice9

Soror Pinkice9:

Again, I would like to respond to you via email, but as you don't post your address, I will say this: I'm not sure, but Soror Angelou's poem may have been written well before she became a member of our sorority and is not specific to AKA. I've never looked at amendments to her poem as an insult or slight toward AKA, as the poem talks about all black women. Thus, I think people are free to appropriate the piece as they see fit, provided they do so within copyright/reprint regulations.

DG

DG- Thank you for your reply http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif You took the words right out of my mouth!

I never heard of Phenomenal Women as an AKA poem. I was already a Zeta when Maya Angelou was inducted as an honorary AKA. I knew of the poem well before that time so I would agree with what already has been said to correct you.

question...what does that poem have to do with perpin?

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Ithink that this comment was not necessary...actually I have to laugh...because only ignorance would make someone write this.

Like it was stated before, anyone can buy the nalia, they may be giving it as a gift. If you are wearing an organizations letters however, it means you are a member of that organization. There are ways (handshakes, passwords) that members can tell if you are really a member. The few cases I have seen where someone was bold enough to pretend to have earned their letters have resulted in a bad beat down and a stripping of the nalia that they did not deserve to wear.
If you want to be down, join, because as most organizations say "Membership has its privileges"

[QUOTE]Originally posted by QUEEN:
[B]NOW, I KNEW A GIRL ONCE AND SHE WANTED TO BE A MEMBER OF MY SORORITY AND SHE AND I WENT TO THE RUSH TOGETHER. I GOT ACCEPTED AND SHE DIDN'T. SHE SAID SHE WAS HAPPY FOR ME AND I TOLD HER IT WASN'T THE END OF THE WORLD SHE COULD TRY AGAIN. SHE LEFT AND ATTENDED ANOTHER SCHOOL.WELL!!! WHEN AT A STEP SHOW I SAW HER AND THERE SHE WAS DECKED OUT IN RED AND WHITE."

I also had a friend that was accused of wearing nalia. Her grandmother is an AKA and it all started with her going to the high school during a break and driving her grandmother's car and she happened to have a lettered key chain. When someone said "I didn't know you pledged" she did not deny it. From that when wearing shirts to Alpha parties and so on. Of course it got back to the chapter and it was a healthy thing that she was not coming back to school. I pledged the semester after she did this and had talked to her about it. She denied it but a lot of people remember her doing it. Sorors and Frat. A lot of people wanted me to be mad with her and to threaten her, etc. But I knew her life and her horrible need for affliation. Yes,I think that everyone should have to work for my Pearls but sometimes people have an underlining problem that causes them to do things like this. I've neverbeen in a situation where I was totally insecure about myself and needed other people to justify my self worth. Some people need that. Sometimes people admire things to the point where even a false glimpse of the prize is good enough for them.

I'm curious about this as well. I know of someone who is claiming to be a TriDelt and they are definitely not. They put this on their resume for God's sake (!) and wear 'nalia, dropping imaginary names,etc. I further have reason to believe that she has stolen 'nalia from others. I know, It's pretty disgusting. I want to turn her in. She says she's a sister from Auburn University but she isn't. It makes me so mad--those of us who earned our letters and have given our loyalty to our sorors deserve to wear the letters, not some little bitch who couldn't get in! Help me out on this--I need to know what to do and fast. Thanks y'all.

Most sororities and fraternities DON'T sell their letters. Did you ever stop to think some of the GLOS/BGLOS donate their old clothing which sometimes ends up in those types of places.
SigEpYoda is right, you cannot legally get in trouble for wearing another org.'s letters. An organization may not appreciate it, but from what I know most organizations have a rule that only INITIATED member can wear what's sacred such as a badge.
Oh, and when people tell me I pay for my friends...I simply reply,'If I paid for my friends then surely I did not pay enough.'
Hootie



[This message has been edited by Hootie (edited April 15, 2001).]

I would call Tri-Delta Nationals post-haste and let them know....and they can take it from there.

To add to Hootie's comment, the orgs do not "sell" their letters. The greek stores and online greek sites do. Yes, anyone can buy a sweatshirt, but I know if I would have walked around my campus wearing another org's letters I wouldn't have been wearing them long, because they would have got ripped off my body!! Most national orgs do have an "official" manufacturer of shirts et al, but I know the stuff at our college Greek store was usually 50% less at least.

let a fake walk on to any campus perping someones letters and see what happens...they will not be greeted with open arms.

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violence is not condone by any of the organizations that i belong to....

I TRULY don't understand this, because if you want to be a "GREEK" you really can join SOME org! SheesH!
I knew a crackhead who was perpin, so we had a friend ask her a few questions, and she said it became obvious. She didn't "challenge" her, because the child WAS a crackhead, but it was sad to see. We wreen't witnesses to the questions (that would have been inappropriate), but we were certainly around to see the results. Nonviolent they were.

[This message has been edited by Salience (edited April 16, 2001).]

Thanks, 33girl, for your advice. It just really bugs me that someone would lie about being a part of something they're not. I feel like posting her name out here so y'all know who she is. I notified the chapter and they're trying to figure out what to do about it, but weren't sure what their options were. It is pretty sick if you ask me! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif

Okay, I'm just jumping in to this whole conversation, but does it seem to anyone else that this is just someone really bitter logging on as all these different usernames, registered and unregistered? I know it makes no sense, but not many people throw around the word "frat" as freely as all of these brand new unregistered users. I know this has probably already dawned on others.

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Prdlocal, if unregistered users were still allowed to post, I'd tend to agree with you. However, there were so many issues with unregistered users causing drama (yes, more drama than there is now) that John has blocked unregistered people from posting. This thread was started over a year ago. Someone read prior posts (HURRAY FOR THAT!) and brought the discussion back up to the top.

Ohhhh, okay, thanks, I guess I should've checked on that, huh? Geeez, I feel like a ditz! Thanks for the help. That's most definately a good thing that Mr. Hammel is blocking unregistered users with all the problems we've been having. Thanks for the clarification http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

Amanda

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"For every lie I unlearn I learn something new..." Ani Difranco

Here's the lowdown as far as nonmembers perping:

It is ILLEGAL for nonmembers to wear copyrighted 'nalia (items with the crest or badge on it).

It is LEGAL, however, (albeit not right) for nonmembers to merely wear the letters (the quesion comes down to can you legally dictate a person wearing Greek letters in a certain "formation"--NO, you can't).

Bottom line to Greeks who like to beat down perps--if you want to serve justice to a perp, you do it legally and properly!

Don't let idolatry get you a criminal record and time in jail or prison. It's not worth it and those who do beat down perps IMHO are rather foolish and selfish (the perps are selfish too), but two wrongs don't make a right and as Greeks, you are morally obligated to serve as leaders and trendsetters for the community, not behave like collegiate Crips and Bloods "because someone dissed my letters." That's childish.

I'm off the soapbox

Match Game '73

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rain Man:
[B] Here's the lowdown as far as nonmembers perping:

"It is ILLEGAL for nonmembers to wear copyrighted 'nalia (items with the crest or badge on it).". . ."Don't let idolatry get you a criminal record and time in jail or prison"

Please don't take this the wrong way; but, I do have a question regarding this statement. It is my understanding that copywrite violation is a federal offense, does this mean that if a non-member wears a badge or crest that the FBI is going to show up on the door. While it may be wrong, I really don't think that law enforcement or the criminal court system is going to pursue this-especially in the light that the court system is really backed up.

Please don't get me wrong, I don't like the idea of anyone wearing my GLO's badge...infact I take offense if they did..I just don't think it is a criminal offense punishable by prision time. Please correct me if I am wrong.

happyowl

[quote]Originally posted by happyowl:
[b]HappyOwl,
I believe you are correct. Non-members wearing the badge or crest is not punishable by prision or something like that. I think personally, our organization makes that as a rule so that when the new member finally initiates, she feels that she is extreamly special because she is able to wear something she could not wear before...the badge. Likewise car decals sporting our crest are not supposed to be on cars belonging to uninitiated members. But, who's gonna find out really. I suppose it's just one of those things that is just an unwritten rule.
Hootie

I see cars all the time with our decals on them, crest and all, as well as some from other greek organizations being driven by people who obviously aren't a member. My guess is that they, or their parents, dispose of the car without removing the decal, which, while unfortunate, is hardly enforceable.

[This message has been edited by cutehootie (edited April 17, 2001).]

Probably so. Plus, stickers of any kind are really hard to take off without screwing up the car and making the value go down.

I'm certainly not absolutely sure of this, but I would be very surprized if it is in violation of the copyright laws for someone to wear or display Crests or Coats-of-Arms. I suspect that if someone used the above for some sort of commercial gain that it would be a different situation and probably actionable. I could be wrong. Have been before.

DeltAlum

Quit frontin! U ain't black!!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

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Yeah..and that "ain't" for you to decide! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Whaaaaaaaa?? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif

This is a "A" and "B" conversation, so "C" your way out!

Funny how the person you're conversing with was an unregistered user...whose post was April 6, 2000. Good job stupid.

How weird. I have no idea what that comment meant, so I'm just gonna ignore it. So...what would you do if you knew where this person worked and had their email address. Should I just send it to Tridelta nationals and let them take care of it? I know i sound obsessed but damn...we all know what it means to truly be greek and it irks me that some people think they can buy their way in when they couldn't hack it. Any Sorors from Auburn, can you help me out? Thanks girlies. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

Wait a minute. You know for sure she is not Tri-Delt?? How?? I'm just curious, because I'm confused about all this. Did she tell your herself?

I think we caught an inside joke. but hw on earth do you type something publicly and say it's A & B? LOL

[This message has been edited by Salience (edited April 18, 2001).]

Hey Billy,

I know for SURE that she isn't because a good friend of mine is actually in the chapter she claims to have been in! I know for 100% sure. Let's just leave it at that. I would never accuse someone of something so serious, if I didn't have the proof to take em down! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif Thanks for making sure though. So, what do I do now? I feel kind of stuck and I want this taken care of because she not only is a lying b*$%# but is no doubt slutting around and giving the sorority a bad bad name. Please help! Thanks y'all are great. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif)

OH...okay. Now I understand. I'd say turn her in to the local chapter or if there is not one, to nationals. Don't let her give them a bad name.

Thanks Billy. As usual, your advice is great. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Glad I could Help. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Thanks Rainmain for the clarification. I guess we had a simple misunderstanding.

Of course as members of the Greek System we need to have a balance in our lives. However, I still have an extensive owl collection :-0

happyowl

Happy Owl and Hootie, I was reading the portions of my posts you were responding to and I think I did not clarify myself. My apologies.

As far as my what is legal and what was not legal, that was intended for people who intended to perp. Also, that was more geared toward perps who WEAR nalia, not people who use a AKA umbrella or a Delta pencil or pen. I don't find people who use cars, pencils, umbrellas, glasses, mugs, etc. that has Greek logos on it perping. Again, I see INTENT over simple USAGE.

To those Greeks that feel compelled to put their letters on every single everyday item and then complain when a nonmember is using them, I say, #1, they lack DISCRETION of what items are and are not worthy of having their letters put on them, #2, they are IMHO an idolator to the Nth degree, and #3, frankly, they need to get a life. I hope this is not the case with any Greekchatter here.

As far as my statement, "Don't let idolatry get you a jail or prison sentence", that was directed to BGLO members who brag about how they like to beat up persons who are perping their organizations. I understand that they are upset with fakes representing their orgs, but if they want justice, they are to seek legal remedies, not physical violence.

My point was that if you have to beat up perps to make your point, IMHO you are practicing idolatry.

Sorry for the confusion.

Hey we had a similar situation, kinda. During a rush week about a year or two ago, some guy was rushing us, he looked to be about 30+ (strange enough, but ok, if older students wanna join, all the power to them) but during events he would throw out the most strange questions to people, it looked like he was digging to find something. So we did some digging of our own, and found out the guy wasn't even registered in the school, and we got totally tipped off one night after an event, some brothers went our with him, and part way through the night he pulls a huge bag of weed out of his bag and asks us if we wanna smoke it with him, (bing bing bing lights flash, dude sounds too much like a reporter looking for the skinny on frats, the inside job) we tell him on our anti-drug statement and he kept on pressuring us (talk about hard up) enventually the guys just walked off, needless to say he didn't get a bid, but has ne one heard of a similar event?

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Zulu and Constitution Contact
Zeta Psi Fraternity of North America - Alpha Mu Chapter
Dalhousie University
Halifax, Nova Scotia

Any one who would physically assault some one just for (being an a-hole) wearing letters of an org they don't belong to is a person of very poor character. I'd be ashamed to have such a brother in my fraternity. If you'd take legal action against them, fine, that's your perogative. However, keep in mind that if you kick the sh*t out of that person, YOU and/or your Fraternity/Sorrority may be the ones facing legal action. Something to keep in mind ladies and gentlemen...