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pretty_girl82 05-09-2002 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DST Love
Here's why my fiance and I know he's lying. Ed Gordon asked him has he ever made sex tapes. "Robert" answered that there are a lot of bad things he's done in his life. Okay fine. Then Ed Gordon asked him that if he has ever made ANY sex tapes how can he be so sure that this is not one of those tapes. "Robert" never answered that question. He went all around it.

If he made sex tapes, fine. But one would think he would want to watch it because it could very well be a tape of him and another consenting adult as opposed to a child. And if that's the case, then he could've cleared this up a long time ago.

But oh no, he won't watch the tape because he knows it's not him even though it could be him. C'mon "Robert" make a little sense, please.

But again, I believe he's straight up lying.

And as far as the Aaliyah thing. I'm sure her family and he are sick of it. However, if you didn't marry her when she was a child, then you would just say you didn't and leave it at that. If you didn't marry a child, how could her family be upset by a simple "no we never married" and then next question.

And again..., lying.

Girl you ain't lying. I am from Chicago and my girls went to Kenwood, where he attended, H.S and he was hitting on the freshman and sophmore. She was a senior at the time and she said he wouldn't even look at the seniors. Hey he was even about to cry at the end thats why Ed said they were going to continue tomorrow. He said that he was even going to change back to gospel...heard it all before:rolleyes: . R. Kelly shut it up you are busted dude so pay the price and get over it.

Urbane 05-09-2002 09:47 PM

BET aired the interview again this evening so I watched the entire thing. I'ma be honest... i feel asleep last night in the middle of it. I thought i was tired... that interview was slam BORING!!! He avoided every single question. Why show up and sit down in front of a camera if you gonna dance around and not answer jack!:rolleyes: All those who said his lawyer failed to properly prep him were correct.

I want to say that he slipped up for a sec and said he saw the tape when he was trying to avoid a question... now, i may be hearing things. But i'ma just put that out there... (in my Olivia Fox voice)

ClassyLady 05-09-2002 09:54 PM

I don't think that his marriage to Aaliyah is relevant and I respect R. Kelly for not even speaking on it.

First, there are no official documents as was stated earlier. The only reason why people found out about the alleged marriage is because a reporter at Vibe Magazine has a "copy" of the marriage license. The copy is all that anyone has and it doesn't take much to forge a copy.

Second, at the time when R. Kelly and Aaliyah got married, she was sixteen. She would have been old enough to get married with her parents' permission. So, if the marriage really did take place, it would have been legal. R. Kelly can always argue that he fell in love with her and did what was legally required of him to be with her.

I'm not saying he's right, but I don't think that this is relevant to the current case. It hasn't been proven and is still, at this point, just a rumor.

I haven't seen the tape and I really don't care to. But, I do agree wholeheartedly with the point that Ed Gordon was trying to make. If he does have sex tapes, then how does he know that he's not the person in this one.

I think that R. Kelly has seen the tape and knows exactly who is in it. If the girl was underage, he has probably paid her and her family off by now. He said that she and her family deny that it is her. They probably got their money and her parents don't want their name dragged through the mud.

AKA2D '91 05-09-2002 10:00 PM

16 or not...it's still UNDER the LEGAL age of 18. She was still a MINOR, consent or not! She was NOT an adult.

If they had the parent's permission, why was it annulled? They could have easily gotten married AGAIN when she turned 18. But noooooo, all ties with Kelly were "cut". What's up with that, if everything was so peachy keen between the two (Kelly and the Haughtons)? :confused:

Virtual Violet 05-09-2002 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AKA2D '91
16 or not...it's still UNDER the LEGAL age of 18. She was still a MINOR, consent or not! She was NOT an adult.

If they had the parent's permission, why was it annulled? They could have easily gotten married AGAIN when she turned 18. But noooooo, all ties with Kelly were "cut". What's up with that, if everything was so peachy keen between the two (Kelly and the Haughtons)? :confused:

They were able to have the marriage annulled because Aaliyah allegedly misrepresented her true age when getting the marriage license and she didn't have her parent's permission. So under the law, the marriage was false, and thus never existed.

AKA2D '91 05-10-2002 09:00 AM

So does that JUSTIFY the situation? The ACT itself, still occurred. They both still attempted to get married, misrepresentation or not. She was still under 18, NOT an adult.

Kimmie1913 05-10-2002 10:10 AM

Why I think Aaliyah is relevant
 
IMO the marriage to Aaliyah is relevant. Part of people's feeling about Rra in this whole thing is that he has a pattern of being involved with underaged girls. If there is a long standing, allegedly substantiated rumor about a marriage to Aaliyah who was a minor at the time, that simply bolsters the appearance of a pattern. If he never was married to her, what honors her memory and image more that a bold and clear, NO I WAS NEVER EVER, EVER MARRIED TO HER! STOP TRYING TO DRAG HER NAME THROUGH THE MUD. There has never been a clear and unequivocal statement made by either side on this issue which has persisted for going on ten years. To me, that seems to indicate an inability to make a clear statement about it.

Documents can be forged- this is true. The mere fact that a reporter only had a copy of a marriage licensee- what else would they have? If you go to obtain an official record, you are going to be given a copy, albeit certified by the clerk of the court. Considering he had no standing to request the record, the best a reporter is likely to get is a copy a courthouse employee made for him on the DL.

As the rumor goes, she misrepresented her age in order to get the marriage license. Again, for her to do that lends itself to the image of him as a manipulator of young girls. How are you, as the ADULT going to have her lying and committing a fraud on the state to marry you? If they were married, legally with her parents consent, it would have had to be in writing and therefore there would not have been grounds to have it annulled (annulment requires fraud of some kind, if everything is done properly, there is no fraud.)

Further, I have no doubt that one of their camps would have taken action a long time ago to stop the media’s reporting of the marriage if they could have. Both have avoided the question for years. After a while, no comment starts to sound like "yeah, that's true but I can't talk about it." If it did happen, I am sure there was a legal agreement between the two parties preventing them from talking about it anyway.

strobelitehoney 05-10-2002 12:19 PM

Re: Who Knew?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by PinkNGreen
R. Kelly is married? I didn't know that. The only person I ever remember him being married to was Aaliyah.

Anyway, I totally believe that it was him in those videos and I know for certain that he has always had attraction to young girls. I went to high school (Chicago Area) and college (Champaign) in Illinois so, I ran into a lot of people that "knew" him. My friend from high school/college roommate remembers Robert (as she calls him) trying to hit on her at the Regal Theater. It's interesting that she said she was always too scared to talk to him because he was so much older than she was. I guess it's hard to break old habits.

I will be tuned in, I'm dying to see what he has to say for himself. Pesonally, I think he's disgusting.

R kelly Been married, I can't believe Ya'll didn't know that, and I am late on this topic. He has two kids, and his wife is expectant anyday now (says tom joyner.) his kids are 4 and 3. And she is 29. she was his dancer. Maybe they met while she was 15, and waited. However, he's guilty, he does have a disease, and there is nothing Rev Meeks can do to do to help him. Only god can help that man.
and I'm pricing Chasity belts when I get off of work, for my daughter.:D :D :D :D
Why is it that no one is putting these hot A$$ girls on blast for messing with him in the first place, they knew they were underage. and it does take two to tango.(i want to know would it be such a big stank (not deffending Rra) if those same girls were having sex with another man the same age?

2Nd of all, why do we think "as the audience" that BET of all channels were gonna get 'THE ANSWERS" That we all want to hear? you know WE NEVER HEAR WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR.
All i got to say is...let a nuh, mess with my daughter, it won't be any courts involved. Just me and my Machette

lovelyivy84 05-10-2002 12:24 PM

Re: Re: Who Knew?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by strobelitehoney



All i got to say is...let a nuh, mess with my daughter, it won't be any courts involved. Just me and my Machette

LMAO! ROFL!

Bamboozled 05-10-2002 12:48 PM

Ok, was I hearing things or did that fool begin the interview last night by saying that he was "biting his teeth" :eek: so that he wouldn't say anything he wasn't supposed to? Maybe I'm not up on the latest lingo, but I think the correct term is "biting his TOUNGUE". After that, I knew I couldn't take anything else he said seriously and changed the channel.

nikki25 05-15-2002 11:25 AM

The Tape: Why He Won't Admit
 
R. probably isn't saying anything about the tape because he doesn't want to be caught in a lie. Let us not forget what Bill Clinton's adamant statement (you remember it: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky") did to him: he was brought up on perjury charges and impeached! That may explain why R. is playing it cool, and avoiding responsibility for his alleged presence on the tape.

librasoul22 05-15-2002 12:05 PM

Re: The Tape: Why He Won't Admit
 
Quote:

Originally posted by nikki25
R. probably isn't saying anything about the tape because he doesn't want to be caught in a lie. Let us not forget what Bill Clinton's adamant statement (you remember it: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky") did to him: he was brought up on perjury charges and impeached! That may explain why R. is playing it cool, and avoiding responsibility for his alleged presence on the tape.
However, if R. Kelly was patterning after Clinton he will come out and tell the truth when the heat gets too hot. Only problem is that Clinton was under fire for adultery...in 2002, that seems like penny candy compared to pedophilia, which we might never be desensitized to.

sistarisin 05-16-2002 11:25 AM

Where are the parents?
 
Rra definitely got issues and need alotta help. I don't care how old these girls BODIES appear to be, the words that come out of their mouth will tell a more eloquent story.

As a mother of two girls myself, I'm wondering where are their parents? Why don't you have close enough tabs on your children to know where and who they are hanging with? Not only that, why weren't certain values instilled in them. When I was coming up I DID NOT have 'lottabody' but OLDER MEN would try to kick it to me all the time. My parents raised me to make them feel like chit for even tryin to holla at me. My immediate response was always: Do you know how old I am? IMHO, the parents share just as much of the burden as Rra!

prayerfull 05-31-2002 02:40 PM

4th woman sues Kelly over sex tape
 
May 31, 2002

BY ABDON M. PALLASCH AND JIM DEROGATIS Chicago Sun-Times STAFF
REPORTERS

Another woman has filed suit against R&B superstar R. Kelly.

Montina "Tina" Woods, 33, a Chicago dancer who tours with the Isley
brothers, said she never knew Kelly was secretly taping her sexual
encounter with him at his recording studio, Chicago Trax.

The tape has made its way into a collage of three Kelly sexual
encounters, bootleg versions of which are available on street corners across
America.

Woods "had a right to privacy to prevent her personal image from being
recorded for the purpose of his personal gratification and possible
dissemination to the public," the suit filed in Cook County Circuit Court
states.

"R. Kelly should have known this was likely to cause severe emotional
harm and economic harm to [Woods]," the suit states.

This brings to four the number of women who have sued Kelly in Cook
County for inappropriate sexual behavior; two of them were under age.

Kelly settled with two of the women.

A fifth woman settled with Kelly out of court before filing suit,
attorney Susan Loggans said.

Those five do not include the then-14-year-old girl who appears on a
26-minute videotape engaging in sex acts with a man who appears to be
Kelly.

That tape was sent anonymously to the Sun-Times and turned over to
Chicago police.

Police investigated the tape and turned over evidence to the Cook
County state's attorney, which empaneled a grand jury.

Bringing the total number of women to at least seven is Aaliyah, the
young singer and actress killed in a plane crash last year.

Kelly married her when she was 15 and he was 27 in 1994. Her family
annulled the marriage when they found out. They said Kelly encouraged
Aaliyah to falsify her age.

"R. Kelly has been aware of his acts for over 10 years that constitute
violations of criminal statutes and flagrantly displays disregard of
the law by way of his negligence from causing further harm to females,"
Woods' lawsuit states.

Kelly's attorney said he had not seen the lawsuit and so could not
comment.

The suit states, "Kelly set up a hidden camera, prepared his office and
background for the exclusive purpose of secretly recording Miss Woods."

The tape includes nude dancing and sex acts.

Patrice Jones, whose lawsuit against Kelly is pending, said the singer
had sex with her, too, at his Chicago Trax recording studio.

Jones said Kelly coerced her into a sexual relationship after meeting
her at the Rock and Roll McDonald's on her senior prom night.

They had sex 20 to 30 times before her 17th birthday and she got
pregnant, she said. Kelly forced her to get an abortion, her suit states.

Copyright: The Chicago Sun-Times

Urbane 05-31-2002 03:08 PM

Rra is going straight to JAIL..

not to put my bidness out there.. but i'm gonna (*smackin' like Key-lo-lo*). Back in the day.. way way back when i had "oops my panties" moments(only 1 or 2) ;)... I never danced and put on a show before/after the act. wtf is that all about? again i'm not saying that Rra wasn't wrong for videotaping... but don't play total victim when you was up in there doing the running man necked!

okay.. that's all i got to say about that.

nikki25 05-31-2002 03:39 PM

Okay, now, is there anybody else who wants to jump into the suit? Does anyone know where this case is in the courts? I'm sure that it will be a minute before it comes to trial.

As far as the dancer is concerned...now I certainly am not advocating her sexual exploits, but, if she really didn't know that he was taping...then that's still illegal as it is a private act (legal experts can feel free to chime in if I'm wrong).

prayerfull 06-05-2002 11:39 AM

R. Kelly to be indicted in child pornography case
 
June 5, 2002

BY JIM DEROGATIS AND ABDON M. PALLASCH CHICAGO SUN-TIMES STAFF
REPORTERS

A grand jury indictment will be announced today against R. Kelly,
accusing the chart-topping R&B superstar of violating child pornography
laws, sources told the Sun-Times on Tuesday.

Prosecutors have a videotape sent anonymously to the Sun-Times
appearing to show R. Kelly committing various sex acts with a 14-year-old girl.

State law prohibits producing or disseminating child pornography or
soliciting a minor to participate in sex acts on tape or film.

The Class 1 felony charge carries a prison term of up to 15 years, and
a fine of up to $100,000.

For more than three years Chicago police investigated charges that
Kelly was having a sexual relationship with the then-14-year-old daughter
of an associate. But the girl and her parents denied the allegations.

The Sun-Times reported the investigation in a December 2000 story about
Kelly's pattern of pursuing underage girls for sex.

The big break in the case came in February when a videotape was sent
anonymously to the Sun-Times. Kelly apparently made the tape of himself
engaging in various sex acts--including acts involving urination with
the underage girl.

The tape was turned over to the sex crimes unit of the Chicago Police.
Kelly has denied having sex with underage girls and maintained in a
recent TV interview that he's not the man on the tape.

Cook County State's Attorney Richard Devine impaneled a grand jury that
heard dozens of witnesses identify Kelly and the teen on the tape and
confirm that they had a sexual relationship.

The tape was authenticated by the FBI, which determined it could not
have been a forgery. Bootleg copies of the video are available for sale
on street corners across the country--$10 for VHS, $15 for DVD.

In recent years, Kelly has paid settlements to three young women who
filed lawsuits or threatened to sue him over underage or coerced sexual
relationships. A fourth woman has filed suit claiming Kelly coerced her
into a sexual relationship when she was a minor, and he coaxed her to
have an abortion. That case is pending.

Yet another lawsuit was filed by a 33-year-old dancer who charges that
she was unknowingly videotaped by Kelly during sexual relations. That
case also is pending.

Kelly has responded to the lawsuits by trying to tarnish the women's
reputations. Before Tiffany Hawkins filed a suit she ultimately settled
against Kelly, charging that he coaxed her to participate in group sex
with him when she was 15, Kelly filed a preemptive suit against her for
blackmail. That suit was dismissed.

This week, copies of rap sheets for minor misdemeanors that Kelly's
other accusers purportedly have been charged with have been sent
anonymously to local news outlets.

Kelly is hardly the first celebrity to be accused of taking advantage
of young girls. Gary Glitter, Rob Lowe, Elvis Presley, Jerry Lee Lewis,
Roman Polanski, Rolling Stone Bill Wyman and even the legendary Errol
Flynn all have been the subject of news reports for allegedly having
trysts with minors.

Chicago police interviewed dozens of people who knew Kelly, the girl in
the tape or both. Because the girl and her parents denied it was her,
police and prosecutors reportedly had to build the case against Kelly
around them.

While police and other family members who were cooperating with the
investigation grew impatient for prosecutors to charge Kelly, the Cook
County state's attorney's office took months, it said, trying to make sure
it had an ironclad case.

Prosecutors were haunted by a case 14 years ago, when they had a
similarly uncooperative witness who had been taped having sex with a man when
she was underage. Prosecutors charged him anyway, and he was acquitted.

Since then, the state's attorney's office has adopted a more aggressive
stand. In 1995, Beverly Heard refused to testify that she and U.S. Rep.
Mel Reynolds had sex when she was 16. They put her in jail for 13 days,
until she agreed to testify. Reynolds was convicted.

In recent TV interviews, Kelly insisted that, despite the controversy
over the video purporting to show him having sex with a minor, he never
felt compelled to seek out or watch one of the many bootleg copies of
the tape.

"If people out there have a tape of me and they're saying it's me and a
young girl, a minor . . . then they're sadly mistaken or they're
lying," Kelly said on BET. "I can say it with all confidence right here that
it isn't me because I didn't do it. Nowadays, you can make a tape, you
can make a song; it can sound like a person or look like a person . . .
but that's not me."

He did not explain how a 26-minute tape in which the protagonist is
seen staring into the camera and adjusting it could be faked, a feat video
experts have told the Sun-Times would be difficult even for a major
movie studio to pull off.

As the accusations against Kelly have mounted and the videotape of him
has circulated across the country, his fellow hip-hop artists have
distanced themselves from him. "Thong Song" singer Sisqo's new track, "This
Is the Heart," offers the lyric, "The World's Greatest? Whatever! Ain't
nothing but a child molester."

Kelly's album with rapper Jay-Z, "The Best of Both Worlds," sold far
less than expected when it was released in April. Industry executives
blamed the scandal. Jay-Z refused to tour, make videos or even be
photographed with Kelly after the police probe was disclosed.

Rapper Nas recently told an L.A. audience, "We're not up here molesting
children. We're not 'The Best of Both Worlds.' "

Multiplatinum producer Dr. Dre has decided not to release a track with
Kelly. Dr. Dre was quoted in the British newspaper New Nation as
saying, "I haven't seen the video, nor do I want to see it because there's a
kid involved. That's where I draw the line. You can do almost anything
except touch kids or something like that. That's a no-no. You know what
I'm saying? If he's guilty, he's over. I'm just waiting for the
results."

Ministers and community activists in Chicago, Philadelphia, New York,
Atlanta and Los Angeles have decried Kelly's behavior and urged boycotts
of stores that sell his albums and radio stations that play his music.


R. Kelly's ups, downs

January 1992
Kelly releases his debut album, "Born Into the '90s." It sells more
than 1 million copies.

November 1993
Kelly releases "12 Play." It sells 5 million copies.

June 1994
Aaliyah releases her Kelly-produced debut, "Age Ain't Nothing But A
Number." It sells 1 million copies.

Aug. 31, 1994
Kelly and Aaliyah are married in Rosemont.

Feb. 7, 1995
A Michigan judge dissolves the marriage.

September 1995
Michael Jackson's Kelly-produced single "You Are Not Alone" becomes his
first No.1 hit since his sex scandal.

July 1996
Kelly is booked on battery charges in Lafayette, La., after a fight on
the basketball court at a health club. Sources say Kelly desperately
fears doing time in jail.

November 1996
Kelly releases his third album, titled "R. Kelly."

December 1996
The single "I Believe I Can Fly," from the "Space Jam" soundtrack,
peaks at No. 2. Also, Tiffany Hawkins files a lawsuit against Kelly,
charging that he encouraged her to have sex with him when she was underage.

January 1998
Kelly pays Hawkins $250,000 to drop her suit shortly after she gives a
7-1/2-hour deposition about their sexual activities.

April 1998
Kelly is arrested in Chicago for disorderly conduct after allegedly
becoming verbally abusive when asked to turn down the stereo in his 1998
Lincoln.

May 1998
The disorderly conduct charges are dropped.

November 1998
Kelly releases his fourth album, "R." It sells 6 million copies.

April 2000
Aspiring rapper Tracy Sampson, 17, begins having sex with Kelly,
according to her lawsuit.

November 2000
Kelly releases his fifth album, "TP2.com." It debuts at No. 1.

December 2000
A Chicago Sun-Times report details Kelly's alleged trysts with underage
girls.

February 2002
A videotape anonymously sent to the Sun-Times appears to show Kelly
engaging in sex acts with a 14-year-old girl. The Sun-Times turns the tape
over to police.

March 2002
Bootleg copies of the tape begin showing up for sale across America.

April 2002
Kelly settles Sampson's lawsuit, even as another woman, Patrice Jones,
files a new suit accusing Kelly of coercing her into a sexual
relationship when she was 16.

May 2002
A fourth woman settles with Kelly before filing a lawsuit, and a fifth,
Montina Woods, 33, sues Kelly for invasion of privacy, saying she
thought her sex act with him was private, then found out he secretly
videotaped it.
Kelly does TV interviews to deny the accusations in the lawsuits and
say he's not the man in the videotape.

June 2002
Kelly to be indicted for violating state child pornography laws.

strobelitehoney 06-05-2002 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Urbane
Rra is going straight to JAIL..

not to put my bidness out there.. but i'm gonna (*smackin' like Key-lo-lo*). Back in the day.. way way back when i had "oops my panties" moments(only 1 or 2) ;)... I never danced and put on a show before/after the act. wtf is that all about? again i'm not saying that Rra wasn't wrong for videotaping... but don't play total victim when you was up in there doing the running man necked!

okay.. that's all i got to say about that.


Girl you crazy,...the running man Lmao. and he's not going straight to jail but SCRAIT TO JAIL. DO NOT PASS GO DO NOT COLLECT 200.00 LMAO

all i can do is shake my head, and continue to sharpen my machete, and constantly check my daughter's chasity belt every 10 min.

all I can say is, HE BROUGHT IT ON HIMSELF, and I AM STILL WONDERING, where in the HECK WERE THE PARENTS WHEN ALL OF The videotaping was going on????????:mad:
I am mad at them for not being involved in their daughters lives, and keeping tabs on them period,
and at the ages 15,16,17 I understand that they are underage (not consenting adults) but why do people keep calling them kids, (they make it sound like they are 9,&10 years old)

Well he'll get what he deserves, and more. I wonder how high pitch of a song feeling on ya booty will be after he serves his time?

TLAW 06-05-2002 12:24 PM

about time, ain't it?

thesweetestone 06-05-2002 12:40 PM

Re: R. Kelly to be indicted in child pornography case
 
Quote:

Originally posted by prayerfull
June 5, 2002

June 2002
Kelly to be indicted for violating state child pornography laws.

Oh, He going down!http://www.plauder-smilies.de/rough/behead.gif

Ideal08 06-05-2002 01:26 PM

What, exactly . . .
 
is the statute of limitations on child pornography? Just curious. And are these women getting paid? And do I have to have proof that we did the do to get a suit? :p I'm just kiddin, lol, but I do wanna know about the SOL. :)

thesweetestone 06-05-2002 01:56 PM

lol@Ideal08http://www.plauder-smilies.de/lol2.gif

Urbane 06-05-2002 02:08 PM

Strobelite/Ideal... please stop!! http://www.plauder-smilies.de/lach.gif

sunnydays96 06-05-2002 02:25 PM

Here goes.......
 
http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/Musi...lly/index.html

Kimmie1913 06-05-2002 03:03 PM

R. Kelly indicted on 21 counts of child pornography. Read all about...

http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/Mus...elly/index.html

nikki25 06-05-2002 03:03 PM

All that I can say is that everything that one does in the dark will surely come to the light of day! R. just had too much that said: "guilty"...the tape, the settled lawsuits, the continuous allegations. His story seems to be one of contradictions...something that Steeltrap and others have pointed out. He was a musical genius, but had a twisted view of intimacy. I liken R. to a modern day Mozart...because Mozart, too, was associated with sexually exploiting minors (boys).

Now as far as his continuing to lean toward Christianity in all of this....he's being talking about it for a long time. On the album R. Kelly he had a song called "Trade in my Life".

In that song, he spoke of how there are so many pressures and that eventually, that he wanted to trade in his life for the Lord.

He continued to say that at various times....remember he had talks with Kirk Franklin...and at one point it was said that he was only going to record Gospel CDs. But it seemed as if he could never let go of his lifestyle, nor the "loot" associated with it. He wouldn't sell out for the cause of Jesus Christ. It seemed as if he were continually torn...and I'm sure in retrospect, he wishes that he took his own advice...and traded in his life.

I think that perhaps his initial desire to move toward gospel and Christianity may have come up as a result of his first set of charges. And, his return may be much of the same. Its always interesting that people run throughout life without making a heavenly connection..but as soon as things get a bit "interesting"...they begin to come back to the church. Why not do that sooner than soon?

Steeltrap 06-05-2002 03:32 PM

Rra and Amadeus
 
Nikki25,

Good post. It would have never occurred to me to compare Rra w/Mozart, but now I see the musical twisted-genius connection. He is a walking contradiction, in many ways.

And I agree that it would make sense to keep the church as a consistent part of your life, rather than running back and forth.

techie_girl_44 06-05-2002 03:38 PM

hmmmm
 
Am I the only one who is a little :o at the charges he is being indicted for? Child pornography? Hello, what about child molestation? Statuatory rape? I mean what's really going on? I hope that these are just the first round of charges and that prosecutors plan to use these charges as a jumping off point.

librasoul22 06-05-2002 03:52 PM

Re: hmmmm
 
Quote:

Originally posted by techie_girl_44
Am I the only one who is a little :o at the charges he is being indicted for? Child pornography? Hello, what about child molestation? Statuatory rape? I mean what's really going on? I hope that these are just the first round of charges and that prosecutors plan to use these charges as a jumping off point.
Well those charges were probably the most clear cut and easy to prove. The others have many intricacies and loopholes. Anyway, the max. penalty for child porno is 15 years and $100,000. And R. has 21 counts. I am no math whiz, but he is in a poot stain of trouble!

vanda 06-05-2002 03:52 PM

Mrs. Kelly
 
Just had a baby last week. I bet that was one stressful pregnancy. In the Sun Times they say that if R. was entertaining in his house, his wife had to knock on the door before entering. If I gotta knock in my own home, I'm taking all the doors down. They also mentioned he couldn't read well and knew very limited math, had his sister on the payroll as his maid and really didn't want to pay his mother's doctor bills even though he put on the facade of loving her so much and how she was the world to him.

Bamboozled 06-05-2002 04:04 PM

Re: Re: hmmmm
 
No comment about Mr. Kelly, but this is just too funny to me:

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Originally posted by librasoul22
but he is in a poot stain of trouble!
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Steeltrap 06-05-2002 04:07 PM

Re: Mrs. Kelly
 
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Originally posted by vanda
Just had a baby last week. I bet that was one stressful pregnancy. In the Sun Times they say that if R. was entertaining in his house, his wife had to knock on the door before entering. If I gotta knock in my own home, I'm taking all the doors down. They also mentioned he couldn't read well and knew very limited math, had his sister on the payroll as his maid and really didn't want to pay his mother's doctor bills even though he put on the facade of loving her so much and how she was the world to him.
What a bloody scumbag that man is. No real wife would have to knock on doors, and put up with him entertaining his "girls."

Unsurprising that he was basically illiterate, however.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

TLAW 06-05-2002 04:41 PM

He didn't sound too smart during his interview. Not all surprised tah he is close to illiterate.
As for his wife, did she really consider herself a real wife? Sounds more like a third world kept woman.

AKA2D '91 06-05-2002 05:45 PM

(CNN) -- Chart-topping R&B star R. Kelly has been indicted on child pornography charges based on a videotape police said shows Kelly having sex with an underage girl, officials announced Wednesday.

An Illinois grand jury charged Kelly with 21 counts of child pornography based on the videotape, which police said was recorded sometime between November 1997 and February. Investigators said the girl depicted in the video was born in September 1984, which would make her 17 now.

Chicago Police Superintendent Terry Hillard said FBI evidence technicians have examined the videotape and consider it authentic.

"It's unfortunate to see Mr. Kelly's talents go to waste, but it becomes a tragedy when behavior damages the community," Hillard said.

Kelly was not in custody Wednesday afternoon, Chicago police said. An attorney for the Grammy-winning singer said his client is currently out of town, and will present himself to police "whenever and wherever" they tell him to.

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If convicted, Kelly -- whose first name is Robert -- faces a prison term of up to 15 years and a fine of up to $100,000. His lawyer, Ed Genson, said he would disprove the child pornography charges.

"The charge is that there's a young lady under the age of 18 on that tape and there isn't," Genson told The Associated Press. "That's simply the stance that I'm taking. We're going to court and we'll disprove that she was underage."

The girl's family members also have denied that she is featured on the video, Genson said.

The Chicago Sun-Times received the videotape earlier this year. The newspaper passed the tape along to the sex crimes unit of the Chicago Police Department, which investigated. Illinois law prohibits producing or disseminating child pornography or soliciting a minor to participate in sex acts on tape or film.

Hillard warned that anyone who has bought or is selling copies of the tape is in possession of child pornography. "It would be my advice to you to dispose of these tapes," he said.

Cook County State's Attorney Richard Devine said the sex acts on the video occurred in Kelly's home in Chicago.

"The indictments hopefully will send a message to sexual predators ... [that] taking advantage of minors will not be tolerated and there are severe penalties," he said.

The Grammy-winning Kelly is known for inspirational hits such as "I Believe I Can Fly," but also raunchy ones like "Feelin' On Yo Booty." He has also worked as a producer with Celine Dion, Michael and Janet Jackson, and the Isley Brothers.

Kelly has said he has not seen the video.

Last month, speaking on the BET cable program "BET Tonight with Ed Gordon," he denied various allegations involving the tape.

"I want America to know that you can't believe everything you hear, and nowadays, you can't believe everything you see," he said.

"I've done a lot of wrong things in my life, but I'm not a criminal, I'm not a monster."

Kelly has previously settled lawsuits brought by two women who accused him of having sex with them when they were minors. Documents have also shown that Kelly married the late singer Aaliyah, his former protege, when she was just 15. The marriage was later annulled.

A third lawsuit was filed recently by a Chicago woman who accused Kelly of impregnating her when she was a teen-ager and forcing her to have an abortion.

Kelly is married to a former dancer from his touring troupe. The couple have a newborn son and two young daughters.

vanda 06-05-2002 07:49 PM

It looks like they found him in Florida and he has been arrested

nikki1920 06-05-2002 07:54 PM

I ain't know he had a baby boy. :confused:

He is wrong as a snowsuit in the summer for sexing that little girl, but I think Sparkle was more wronger (yes, I know that's not a word) for bringing the tape to authorities three years after the fact. What good did that do for her neice? And who was Sparkle looking out for? HER dang SELF.

lovele1978 06-06-2002 08:32 AM

Sparkle
 
I heard on the radio this morning that it has not been confirmed that Sparkle was the one that handed in the tape. IMO if she is the one that turned the tape over, shouldn't she be charged with knowing this information for so long and not turning him in?? I don't think that she turned in the tape because she felt as if her neice was wronged by Kelly, I think that this was her way at getting back at him for whatever personal beef they have. If she was that concerned she would have turned the tape over to the POLICE and not the media from the jump!

Professor 06-06-2002 08:37 AM

I'm really missing something. In NC it is a crime to not report abuse to children. To that end, the recent events with leaders of the church and RRRR Kelly having sex with kids makes me wonder how can church folk avoid the law and how can someone with evidence of wrong doing not also be held accountable.

Kimmie1913 06-06-2002 09:18 AM

Re: hmmmm
 
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Originally posted by techie_girl_44
Am I the only one who is a little :o at the charges he is being indicted for? Child pornography? Hello, what about child molestation? Statuatory rape? I mean what's really going on? I hope that these are just the first round of charges and that prosecutors plan to use these charges as a jumping off point.
In my experience, it is difficult to prove a crime a gainst a person with an uncooperative witness. I mean what creates more reasonable doubt that the person who you say is the victim getting on the stand and saying it is not me, it did not happen. It helps that there is a tape but it is not a guranteed conviction by a long shot. The child porn charges are easier for them to make stick.

Kimmie1913 06-06-2002 09:21 AM

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Originally posted by Professor
I'm really missing something. In NC it is a crime to not report abuse to children. To that end, the recent events with leaders of the church and RRRR Kelly having sex with kids makes me wonder how can church folk avoid the law and how can someone with evidence of wrong doing not also be held accountable.
It is a crime in many jurisdictions but I wonder how often people are actaully charged. It is one thing if the victim is herself coming forward and saying I told my teacher two years ago and he did nothing about it v. not KNOWING when someone came to know it was happening. Sparkle (if she turned in the tape) could always say she just came across it two days before she turned it in and did not know anything before that. They would have to prove what she knew and when she knew it. That is not that easy thing to do.


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