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Bridget3D 02-20-2002 01:38 AM

It's a full moon. ;)

Optimist Prime 02-20-2002 01:41 AM

Re:Ommeletes
 
Oh wow. I wasn't. But thats a whole new deminsion. The omlette therory is you can't make one without breaking eggs. Yeah abortion can be traumatic, but might be the eggs we have to break to curb human population growth. OMG!! lol, i could see the double meaning though. haha

lovelyivy84 02-20-2002 11:01 AM

Re: Re:Ommeletes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Optimist Prime
Oh wow. I wasn't. But thats a whole new deminsion. The omlette therory is you can't make one without breaking eggs. Yeah abortion can be traumatic, but might be the eggs we have to break to curb human population growth. OMG!! lol, i could see the double meaning though. haha
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

wow. that makes it sound like such a much better and more compassionate and even sensible idea. What was I thinking, how could I miss your devastating logic.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Optimist Prime 02-20-2002 03:32 PM

I've been thinking....there is no double meaning. Eggs are unfertilized (meaning haploid) and abortions are (diploid). So you shouldn't get grossed out by the old saying "you can't make an ommlette without breaking some eggs." You're right, that's not ultra companisonette, but...so what?

lovelyivy84 02-20-2002 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by h2oot


This is about as dumb a thing as I've read from you, and that says a lot.

I was giving the benefit of the doubt. But I think you might have been right on the money with this one

:rolleyes:

Peaches-n-Cream 02-20-2002 03:43 PM

This topic just went from weird to bizzare pretty fast!
I remember someone saying, "If meat is murder, then eggs are abortions."

h2oot 02-20-2002 09:21 PM

Enough is enough!!!!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Optimist Prime
I've been thinking....there is no double meaning. Eggs are unfertilized (meaning haploid) and abortions are (diploid). So you shouldn't get grossed out by the old saying "you can't make an ommlette without breaking some eggs." You're right, that's not ultra companisonette, but...so what?
You're sick, that's what... to in any way try to rationalize or justify what you said. BTW, you aren't that Miami-guy with another nic, are you?

tridelta4ever 02-20-2002 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bridget3D

Uh, no!

Ditto Bridget....

Optimist - are you on crack? No really, I'm serious. The fact that you think abortion should be used as a method of birth control tells me you may be missing a large group of cells that make up your brain.

And for the record, I don't eat omelets. SICK.

Bridget3D 02-20-2002 09:33 PM

Don't you guys just looooove the internet? :rolleyes:

Optimist Prime 02-20-2002 11:47 PM

First off I am not Miami!!!!
Second off, if a woman has a right to choose in any situation, she has a right to choose in every situation. I"m sick for having an opinon different for yours? What are you some kind of an opinon nazi? Well, you'll never send me to the death camps! There are way too many people on this planent, the earth cannot support us all. Unless you have a better idea, then you shouldn't judge mine.

Bridget3D 02-21-2002 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Optimist Prime
First off I am not Miami!!!!
Second off, if a woman has a right to choose in any situation, she has a right to choose in every situation. I"m sick for having an opinon different for yours? What are you some kind of an opinon nazi? Well, you'll never send me to the death camps! There are way too many people on this planent, the earth cannot support us all. Unless you have a better idea, then you shouldn't judge mine.

You're right. You are entitled to your own opinion, but it was HOW you said it. Your above replies came off as being very insensitive.

Optimist Prime 02-21-2002 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bridget3D


You're right. You are entitled to your own opinion, but it was HOW you said it. Your above replies came off as being very insensitive.

Well, this sounds like a cop out but its because of the type. YOu can't hear the inflection, etc. as if i had spoken it, and no other words of mine to put it in context. Its actully something I've thought a lot about.

tridelta4ever 02-21-2002 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Optimist Prime
First off I am not Miami!!!!
Second off, if a woman has a right to choose in any situation, she has a right to choose in every situation. I"m sick for having an opinon different for yours? What are you some kind of an opinon nazi? Well, you'll never send me to the death camps! There are way too many people on this planent, the earth cannot support us all. Unless you have a better idea, then you shouldn't judge mine.

OP - You seem to be misinterpreting the reason people are offended by your statements. You do have the right to express your opinion - I'm not debating that issue. But if you do express your opinion, keep in mind that I have the right to attack it, if I feel it is based on lack of knowledge, is hateful, or is just plain ignorant. Whether or not women have the right to choose is clear in my book - but do you honestly think that any woman would choose to use ABORTION as a method of regular birth control? LOL. That's the part that I just have to roll my eyes at. You either don't understand the concept of "regular birth control" and/or you don't have a clue about what the practice of abortion entails. That's the bone I have to pick with you.

Then again...Maybe you're being like the select few on this board (who shall remain nameless) who love to create controversy and strife by throwing out ignorant and half-thought out opinions just to get a reaction from the rest of the people on GC. So go ahead and express your opinions, but don't expect me to sit back and not comment when you say something that defies reason, knowledge, and common sense.

tridelta4ever 02-21-2002 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Optimist Prime


Well, this sounds like a cop out but its because of the type. YOu can't hear the inflection, etc. as if i had spoken it, and no other words of mine to put it in context. Its actully something I've thought a lot about.

Well no, actually...what you SAID sounds like a cop out. If you're so damn worried about people not understanding the "inflection" and "tone" with which you make your statements, then you should probably NOT be posting your opinions on a message board in the first place. :rolleyes:

lovelyivy84 02-21-2002 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bridget3D


You're right. You are entitled to your own opinion, but it was HOW you said it. Your above replies came off as being very insensitive.

What how he said it? bull, it was what he SAID. Abortion as birth control? That is SICK. I am all for a woman's right to choose, but any woman who does that is not only putting her life at risk but is the ultimate in stupid and other things that I won't even go into.

Abortion as BIRTH CONTROL? Ugh. That is repugnant, any way that you try and say it.

Bridget3D 02-21-2002 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lovelyivy84


What how he said it? bull, it was what he SAID. Abortion as birth control? That is SICK. I am all for a woman's right to choose, but any woman who does that is not only putting her life at risk but is the ultimate in stupid and other things that I won't even go into.

Abortion as BIRTH CONTROL? Ugh. That is repugnant, any way that you try and say it.

I think you misunderstood what I meant. Yes, what he said was definately inappropiate. But, how he said it made it even worse.

h2oot 02-21-2002 12:01 PM

Greek Werewolf
 
Tridelta4ever said to Optimist Prime--"Maybe you're being like the select few on this board (who shall remain nameless) who love to create controversy and strife by throwing out ignorant and half-thought out opinions just to get a reaction from the rest of the people on GC. So go ahead and express your opinions, but don't expect me to sit back and not comment when you say something that defies reason, knowledge, and common sense."

I think you got him pegged. He's prolly looking for attention and stirring the pot is the only way he knows how to get it. I get torn between responding to this offensive bunk and ignoring it with the hope it will go away.

When the full moon begins to wane will Optimist Prime turn back into Billy Optimist?

SAE1955 02-21-2002 01:48 PM

Look what I've started....

Optimist Prime 02-21-2002 01:58 PM

Actully my opinon was very well thought out. I'm still in the process of thinking out. Opinons never just reach a point and then stop.

I know about regular birth controll.
I know what abortion entails.

If all else fails, or the woman simply changes her mind about wanting to have the baby then its the morally higher choice because there are way too many people in the world.

Lovelyivy...you say that women have the right choose, but not for birth controll? why not? I know there are methods, but if a woman wants to use abortion as birth control, then it is her right.


Now..adressing the nature of this discussion. I did not get personal. With anyone. About anything. I won't name, quote or repost those who I feel have maybe stepped out side of the lines in getting personal (please note: i am putting extra effor not to be offesnsive right now in how i word this so if it comes off weird, my bad). I will, however, asert my right to express my opionions, whether they themselves (my opionions, not how I say them) are offensive to others. If I offended any one in HOW I said something, then I'm sorry. If I offended any one in WHAT said, well, for that I cannot apoligise.


LOL werewolf. HHOOOOOWWLLLLL

I don't know if I'll ever change back, but doubtless I will change again. I think i will change my name again in 34 posts.

justamom 02-21-2002 02:20 PM

Billy, this doesn't sound like you at all. Is everything OK? A lot of people seem to be acting out of chatacter. You know those who have followed your posts for months and months notice something has changed. Just hoping all is well with you.

lovelyivy84 02-21-2002 02:44 PM

I had to think on this one before I posted- this is carefully worded.

For the vast majority of us, we live in a world of consequences. If you do x, then y and z will happen. This to me, is a study in those things that some people choose to ignore.

I am pro-choice, Every woman can choose what to do with her body.

BUT this needs to be understood- when you abort a child you ARE extinguishing a life. Past all arguments on when an embryo becomes a person that is just the plain fact. Every woman who has an abortion knows this and that is why it is such a difficult choice to make. I would never belittle in any way those who have had to make it. But that needs to be understood.

The POINT of birth control is to use restraint and not get yourself into a situation where you have to basically take a life. To use abortion AS birth control would require an individual who has no concept of self-control and is ultimately almost entirely self-serving. Not only that, but abortion as birth control can seriously impact a woman's ability to have children and may have some serious health consequences.

Your egg comments just show a total lack of respect for the women who have to make these choices and their struggle IMO. I think that they are incredibly degrading and just reflect incredibly poorly on what kind of person you are. Sorry if I got personal there, but I am just telling you how you are coming across to me and MANY people who are reading this thread.

Rain Man 12-03-2005 04:26 PM

Re: please specify (ttt)
 
Quote:

Originally posted by twinstars
Would you specify what you mean by "relationship skills"? What exactly are American women lacking? What don't they do that foreigners ARE doing?
Here is a website designed by a man named Jon Herzog, a Russian/Soviet born individual who moved to the US shortly after the Soviet fall who comments and shares views with other men on why men should not marry or should only marry foreign women. He also has a e-book called No Marriage. While some of the opinions come off rather harsh, the underlying dissatisfaction is intact and cannot be denied.

Anyway, here's the site:

NoMarriage.com

The basis for the dissatisfied views from other men came from this site:

American Women Suck

And there is also a discussion forum. Unfortunately, only the Rants section is viewable to the public. For all other sections, you must register and pay a $50 donation. Here is the open forum:

AWS Rants Discussion Forum

Hope this answers some of your questions.

damasa 12-03-2005 06:23 PM

Hot polish womens.

That's where it's at. And there seems to be an abundance of said hot womens in the bay area. I also hear there is such an abundance in Chicago but I never got the chance to find out.

brian moloney 08-16-2007 04:23 AM

oprah orca bullshit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bridget3D (Post 159337)
You're right. You are entitled to your own opinion, but it was HOW you said it. Your above replies came off as being very insensitive.

The way I see it. If you like FAT lard ass, bitchy feminist lazy women. Then marry a North American woman. But dont ask her to cook. She will know where (Mac Donalds is or burger King or KFC). Christ thats like pulling teeth with pliers asking her to cook a meal.. And the way I see it I can not say Yes Dear No dear. I have had enough of North American womans BULLSHIT. I use to kiss there asses. But NOT any more. I now live in Russia where MEN are MEN and women know there place. The WOMEN are gorgeous and SLIM. The FAT OLGAS are the North American women NOT the Dyevuchkas. I have been to China and south America.too But unfortunately these women have NO RIGHTS to speak of this is true. But the FAT LARD ASS North American women have ALL the RIGHTS in courts divorce. They litteraly ASS RAPE the MAN. Thats why ALL FOREIGN WOMEN want to come to North America. They know the score. I only wish I would of travel abroad in my 20s and 30s to SEE whats out there. I have tasted the GOOD LIFE out side of North America. So keep eating your FAST foods girls and count the CELLULITE rings on your GUTS and cottage cheese on your thighs and keep praiseing OPRAH ha ha ha I am one North American man that doesnt put up with your FEMINIST NAZI proppaganda. After reading my post you will get upset and head to your neighborhood Burger King. saying where does this cave man get off TELLING it as it TRUELY IS. The TRUTH hurts.

AOII_LB93 08-16-2007 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brian moloney (Post 1503108)
The way I see it. If you like FAT lard ass, bitchy feminist lazy women. Then marry a North American woman. But dont ask her to cook. She will know where (Mac Donalds is or burger King or KFC). Christ thats like pulling teeth with pliers asking her to cook a meal.. And the way I see it I can not say Yes Dear No dear. I have had enough of North American womans BULLSHIT. I use to kiss there asses. But NOT any more. I now live in Russia where MEN are MEN and women know there place. The WOMEN are gorgeous and SLIM. The FAT OLGAS are the North American women NOT the Dyevuchkas. I have been to China and south America.too But unfortunately these women have NO RIGHTS to speak of this is true. But the FAT LARD ASS North American women have ALL the RIGHTS in courts divorce. They litteraly ASS RAPE the MAN. Thats why ALL FOREIGN WOMEN want to come to North America. They know the score. I only wish I would of travel abroad in my 20s and 30s to SEE whats out there. I have tasted the GOOD LIFE out side of North America. So keep eating your FAST foods girls and count the CELLULITE rings on your GUTS and cottage cheese on your thighs and keep praiseing OPRAH ha ha ha I am one North American man that doesnt put up with your FEMINIST NAZI proppaganda. After reading my post you will get upset and head to your neighborhood Burger King. saying where does this cave man get off TELLING it as it TRUELY IS. The TRUTH hurts.

First of all who the hell are you? Secondly why the hell are you posting on "Greek" a website with a thread that is 5 years old?

You're an idiot. Stay in Russia. Please.

whoknows001 03-06-2010 03:55 PM

“So I was wondering, especially from some of the ladies that have some trans generational experience, if they have noticed that relationship skills are on a decline among females?”


Relationship skills will vary amongst each individual because personal ideas and values of what relationships should or shouldn't be.

With that said, America being the culture pot of the world, finding people with the same values and ideas that reflect there relationship skills with you or any individual is going to be hard for any MAN or woman.

RU OX Alum 03-14-2010 03:15 PM

After being with a woman from far away, I doubt I could marry a North American girl. In fact, I couldn't.

33girl 03-15-2010 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clarence (Post 1907511)
you should treat a man like it says in the bible.

Genesis 19:33

RU OX Alum 03-20-2010 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1907638)
Genesis 19:33

:confused: and when I read it :eek:

33girl 03-20-2010 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum (Post 1908975)
:confused: and when I read it :eek:

Just to clarify, this is not what the 33 in my username represents. LOL EWWWWWWW

kathryn123 04-04-2010 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James (Post 157276)
Some background:

Someone I had met at work had gotten married to this woman from Russia that he had been a sort of pen pal with. And I remembered that another guy I knew had been on vacation in Russia and did the same thing.

And then I recalled yet another conversation (this is a separate thing) with a guy that was saying they were arranging some marriages where the man would bring the woman over and be married for 2 years for a great deal of money. And that the man would decline the money or make some spliting arrangement because he wanted to stay married.

The two guys I first mentioned are good looking guys in good physical shape (i.e. they train a lot) and are reasonably successful in their fields. A good catch you would think, and they did indeed date a lot. Neither had ever been married, had no children and are in their 30's.

In conversations with these guys they say they prefer the foreign culture to Americanized women because they seem to be more famlily orientated with better relationship skills. And cited the lack of a lot of these skills as the reason why dating Americanized women is hard.

I say Americanized menaing women that have embraced mainstream American vlaues and behaviors.

This has been echoed by other men that I have talked to who also believe this.

So I was wondering, especially from some of the ladies that have some trans generational experience, if they have noticed that relationship skills are on a decline among females?

We'll leave men out of it this time lol.

Needless to say neither man mentioned above was very popular with a lot of American women when they came back.


They (the men) have to qualify what they meant with mainstream American values-- do they mean singles(ladies) in America are liberated, <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> promiscuous and materialistic? Well, I have friends from America and they're not at all liberated. Some of them are full time housewives, have kept a family and have good relationship with their husbands. I really think it's unfair to generalize...

RU OX Alum 04-04-2010 03:06 PM

I like to liberate women. That's one of my favorite fantises to enact.

Boodleboy322 04-11-2010 10:54 AM

Hispanic
 
Based on the context of this I believe that you are referring to foreigners from Mexico or Latin America. "Hispanic" doesn't necessarily mean that you are not a US citizen. I know of many successful "Hispanic" men & women in all walks of life that are 100% American. Some of these folks don't even speak Spanish.


Quote:

Originally Posted by carnation (Post 157373)
In Georgia, we see this in reverse too...there are a lot of Hispanic men who marry American women just to get their citizenship more easily. Nine times out of ten, the women are really trashy, the type who look 60 years old at the age of 30. There are a lot of little half-Hispanic kids running around who I really feel sorry for because often the dads run off after they get their citizenship and these children who are usually Hispanic-looking are left in these crummy trailer parks with moms who just married the dads to have a husband. After that, the moms really resent the kids and what we're getting in the schools are tons of disturbed kids. The county south of here is going berserk.

I could not tell you how many birth certificates I've translated for Hispanic guys who are marrying these awful women. You ought to hear the women: "Yeah, Jo-say and me, we just want to git married now. I cain't talk none of that Spanish but his friend says he really loves me.":rolleyes:



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