This is true for the majority of in-state students because I did not know anything about sorority recruitment (which is my own fault, I should have done research if it was important to me) at IU when choosing to go there. If I had, I might have picked a different college.

Also another sorority (Sigma Kappa) is going to colonize in 2016 so that will help a little with numbers. From talking to friends in sororities, they all want the system to change, but don't know what they can do about it.

No, but Indiana is pretty unusual in that it's a (1) big, competitive recruitment (2) that is deferred (3) at a school that's fairly easy to get into (about 74% admit rate).

At the handful of other schools with big, competitive deferred recruitments -- Duke, Vandy, and UVA come to mind-- the school is so selective that every student comes in well prepared, and freshman fall grades don't disqualify many women. Ditto Penn, Cornell, etc. In other words, the academic requirements may not be any higher, but they may have a lot more teeth than at an elite school where virtually everyone is above a 3.0 after fall semester.

Indiana may actually be by itself in this category. Are there any other big deferred recruitments at schools that are NOT academic elites? Maybe SMU or Maryland, but they are still a lot more selective than IU.

Baylor comes to mind, but it is likely not comparable to IU in this situation. SMU certainly would not be in the same category as IU.

I would put SMU in the "elite enough" category. They are certainly no Ivy, but their admissions standards are high enough that students have the academic background to be successful in college. Those that don't make recruitment minimums would more than likely fall into the "I spent way too much time partying and not studying" camp.

Even though Baylor's admission standards are lower than SMU, I do think the overwhelming majority of PNMs do make their grades. I've never seen actual statistics, but knowing plenty of women are are/have been Greek at Baylor there just has not been much talk of PNMs not being able to rush due to grades.

Ohio State.

Miami of Ohio...others will argue with me that it is elite, but i disagree.

Imagine a scenario where a campus has all 26 NPC sororities and still can't/won't achieve a high(er) placement rate. :confused:

Good call -- OSU and Miami are more like IU.

IU is the only school in the country that operates with no campus total for chapters and where quota is set by each chapter not by the number of PNMs attending preference/signing MRABAs. Although I hear rumblings that some changes may be in the works for the following year.

No, they aren't. Both OSU and U of Miami (OH) have campus totals. If you don't have a good working knowledge of how IU recruitment operates, you cannot compare it to other schools.

Sorry for the double post, folks. I just saw the quoted comment and couldn't let it go.

Do each of the chapters "turn in" an official quota number to the CPC prior to, or sometime during, recruitment?

Yes, there is a date by which all chapters must turn in their individual chapter quota to Panhellenic. It is usually in the late fall.

Look back at post #42. I asked:

Others pointed out that OSU and Miami fall into this category of big deferred recruitments at non-elite schools, which makes them like IU in the limited sense that I explicitly asked about. My post #47 was agreeing with the suggestion that OSU and Miami share those qualities with IU. I didn't say they were like IU in every way.

Maybe folks who haven't read the previous page of the thread should look at the context of a statement before jumping to conclusions.

Well, since I graduated not once but twice from a non-elite school in the Big Ten that explains why I can't be bothered to read a post from the previous page. :cool:

On another note, why does everyone have the impression that IU is so freakin' easy to get into? As someone who helps students apply for colleges, it is in the top half of the Big Ten as far as admissions standards. There are quite a few schools in the Big Ten which are much easier to get into than IU and don't have some of the top business and music schools in the country. And the Big Ten is known as an academic conference. So being in the top half of it, sounds pretty good.

To clarify, tOSU used to have an oddball system but in no way was it ever like IU nor did it ever have a bed total. No matter how many girls went through, total would be 100 and quota would be 25.

About 5 years ago, things changed and they are using RFM. Each semester, PHA sets a total and any chapter below total can COR. After Formal last spring, total was 157 (quota was in the mid 50s). I think fall total was 132 and only a handful of chapters participated in COR. Gamma Phi, who colonized last year, took total + 14 seniors. PHA allowed them to take the extra 14 since they wouldn't have
received bids.

Right now, about 1500 girls have signed up and it's very possible that total will be 180-185 after recruitment.

BTW...thank you for the insult Low D Flat.

No "maybe" here: you really need to stay out of Indiana recruitment threads. You are not helpful. Please restrain yourself and post on something where you can share your brilliancy with the rest of us dullards.

Remember, you can be right - or you can be happy. Your persistence is not to your advantage. In other words, cut your losses.

Here, here!

Please do tell what you consider an "elite" school Low D. Also please tell me everything there is to know about Big Ten recruitments..I must have missed your affiliation to Greek Life and the Big Ten for you to be so knowledgeable about the subject!

Wait, Low D is an expert on the SEC and even schools in Connecticut from what I recall. The Big Ten too? Damn!

So what's next? UT and SMU?

Asking a question and agreeing that people came up with good examples in response means I'm presenting myself as an expert. Got it. I'll watch that in the future.

Bless your heart....

From your lips to God's ear....

No, that is not what you did here. Way off base trying to connect those dots to make yourself right.

And now it is firmly established that you are going to have the last word, regardless of whether you are "right" or not. Personally, I absolutely insist on being happy, so I'm going to let you have your way.

You are not in an NPC GLO, as you yourself have stated, and it really is NOT helpful to PNMs or anyone else when you spout off. That, however, has not deterred you.

I don't think I could be any more blunt, but I do have a sledgehammer and a steam shovel in the back forty I can go get if this message doesn't get through to you. I'm not holding my breath *shrug*

Now, back to the topic of Indiana recruitment.

For the record, I would never think IU is an easy school to get into. I don't feel that way about any of the Big Ten schools. Did I miss something because, who calls IU non-elite? Nevermind, I saw LFD do it. Last time I checked, IU was rated by Greene's Guide as a public ivy. Just ignore people who say otherwise. Low Flat D, for someone who isn't Greek, you sure have found a way to come on GC and offend those of us who have graduated from schools in the Big Ten and those of us who actually ARE Greek. Please refrain from giving your opinion about something you nothing. I'm just thankful I never had to go through recruitment at IU because I don't know if I would have made it.

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So the numbers weren't as bad as I expected but I'm still nervous for rush. Apparently there are 1965 before grade cuts. (sadly my best friend is one of those that didn't make the GPA). A girl in one of my classes that's in a chapter said that all of the chapters are required to take PCs of at least 50 girls which would make a min of 1,100 spots. Is there any truth to this?

A chapter cannot be "required" (I assume you mean by the school) to take a pledge class of a specific size, or for that matter, a pledge class at all. It goes directly against freedom of association laws.

Hoosier, congratulations! You completed the first hurdle--grades. Sorry to hear about your friend. It may be difficult for her to see the other girls wearing their new letters after bid day. Hopefully, she has strong network of friends.

As 33 stated above Panhellenic cannot "require" anything unless it has been proposed, discussed, voted on and passed by a majority of the chapters. However, I did hear via the alumnae grapevine that chapters were encouraged to offer at least 50 bids. Some chapters did agree to this, and some did not. I have heard first hand that there are at least two chapters who will not be offering bids to 50 women. However, there are chapters who will bid more than 50 for various reasons. Don't worry so much about the numbers, concentrate more on where you feel comfortable and where YOU fit in. Make your own decisions.

While you're in the chapter houses, look around at the girls who are not recruiting. Are they engaged with the sisters they are standing next to? Are they sitting alone or with a group? Do the chapter women know enough about their chapter to direct you to a member with your same major or from you area? These are little things that can illustrate how close a chapter may or may not be.

Best wishes to you Hoosier. There are 22 great chapters at IU, you can't go wrong.

Thank you. I wasn't sure if she knew what she was talking about or not because my Rho Gam said the same thing. I have less than a 3.0 so I'm really nervous about recruitment but I am open to any houses that will take me. I do have lots of involvement and I'm happy to join any house regardless of tier.

How about regardless if they have a house hooosier?

I'm actually friends with girls in an Unhoused sorority from one of my extra curriculars, that chose to rush Unhoused sororities only,because they didn't want to live with a bunch of girls. So I've been keeping an open mind about that. Because there are pros and cons to being unhoused. I think a house would be nice but I'd rather have a sisterhood over anything.

You cannot "choose to rush unhoused sororities only" in formal rush. All the NPC sororities regardless of their housing situation participate in formal rush together. If you can't afford or don't desire to live in a house you should not go through formal rush, as the housed groups do outnumber the unhoused ones. If the girl you mentioned joined her group through open bidding, that's a totally different matter.

Not saying this to you per se, just clearing things up for any other IU rushees who may be reading the thread.

I'm sorry I meant to say colonized. They chose to be apart of colonization to avoid formal recruitment and living in a house because they wanted the greek experience without living in a house full of girls.

I'm sorry I meant to say colonized. They chose to be apart of colonization to avoid formal recruitment and living in a house because they wanted the greek experience without living in a house full of girls.

As an active member who lived in the house and off campus, I preferred living off campus. Partially because I hated the cold dorm and lack of closet space, in all honesty. I do not believe that living in the house is the end all be all of sorority life. Living out allowed me to be healthier, therefore I was able to be a better member. I had a meal plan to eat at the house whenever I wanted and just made sure to put a little extra effort into building relationships. You can most definitely have a good Greek experience at Indiana without living in a house.

I hope that's true if I end up getting a bid from an Unhoused chapter or any chapter really. I worry no one will consider me because I have below a 3.0 but I have reasons for my tough first semester.( I'm not going to spew my sob story to any of them, because no one really cares and I don't want to be "that" girl).

A bit of advice needed. If one is a Legacy... and likes that house.. but also likes a second house... do you play it safe and rank Legacy House #1? Especially if house is interested in her? Had no idea IU was SO competitive

Which one does she like best?

That's the problem... she is having a hard time picking between the two. This is all assuming she has this choice after Saturday... but what would you do? Rank the Legacy #1 regardless??