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Re: HOVE IS A GROWN ___ MAN

Chile we are talking about Nas vs. Jay Z, not the war in Afghanistan. This is possibly the most lightheartened debate we've had on GC in a minute. Besides, deez jes joke :p

Yeah, I know you were comparing Rakim and Nas on a stretch, but you were doing so because you acknowledge that Rakim is the originator of the flow that dudes like Nas and Mobb Deep are using.
I didn't think Jigga was referring to women when he spoke of "vultures," I thought he was speaking of the shady music industry.
You are definitely right about the whole dissing women thing, almost all rappers do it...but I don't buy it...I just criticize it in threads such as this :) I still say that folks are giving Jay Z too much props, of course commercial sells, that's why I'm not mad at him. But, you're acknowledging that there's no difference b/w him and the hungry cats that have been holding down the underground scene and/or can't seem to make it----my point exactly, it's not that Jay Z's so great, it's the fact that he's made it. Again, YOUR MIC IS ON BOBBY EARL, and I'm not mad at Jay Z for making it...I'm just skeptical of the whole "we run this hip hop game" thing.
Now, by NO MEANS is Nas in charge, either...but's it's the equivalent of the cashier and the burger flipper arguiing over who's the most valuable---until one of ya'll really becomes the manager or owns your own franchise hush it up. Yeah, yeah, I know about Roc A Fella and all, but he's not owning anything yet.

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Originally posted by Bobby Earl

:D MIKE CHECK ONE TWO ONE TWO... is this thing on?

I compared NAS to RAKIM because I see similiarity in their style. However, RAKIM knew how to get an MC's foot off his neck. So I guess you are right, RAKIM is the undisputed champion.

LAST TIME I CHECKED, commercials sell. There are Kats on the streets who can freestyle with the best of them. There are Kats on the streets that can hoop with the best of them. But people don't wanna hear or see those Kats, they wanna hear this COMMERCIAL flow that you speak of. Yes, HOVE disrespects women. WHAT, NAS DOESN'T? They are both wrong for doing it. Nevertheless, there are women out there who are out to stick rappers for their bread. Hence the phrase, "Let me show you how to walk into a room full of vultures." And even though all women are not like that, that doesn't mean you can't address the ones who are. I do agree that JIGGA should start addressing the ones who are not vultures as well. (Can't see um comin down my eyes, so I gotta let this song cry). I never heard JIGGA say that he treats ALL women like that. Second, yes I chose the RENEGADE song because Jigga's flow is tight. I see a lot of genius in it. True, Eminem was nicer on that song.. so what. NAS was garbage on the uchiwali (spelling) song. Forest Gump could have flowed better than that. His body guard protects people for a living and he was better than the TEN YEAR VETERAN. Who cares if you rap for ten years, if you are puttin out weak sh_ every 5 years. Matter of fact, how can you see that there are no tight verses on the blueprint? Here is the big picture. Last time I checked NAS does not have a RECORD COMPANY. JIGGA owns the blueprint to BLUEPRINT. That is what matters. I guess that's why JIGGA told NAS to "Go play somewhere!"

CHAOSDST please don't take what I said personal. I haven't posted in a minute. Last time I checked, people are awfully sensitive in this camp, so I don't intentionally wanna get anyone upset. It's just a discussion... aight? I don't want CHAOS up in here :D .

Hello to you too, by the way.

Who owns Roc-A-Fella Records LLC? Hmm let's find out...
1... 2... 3... well almost three entities own Roc-A-Fella Records LLC?

The Island Def Jam of Universal Vinvendi (?) owns 50% (possibly more since they put ALOT into the company)...
Damon Dash, Jay-Z and Kareem (?) Briggs collectively own the other 50%... the question is how do we know that they own the other half equally? For all you know, Jay-Z may own less than 16.666% of Roc-A-Fella and if that is the case, he wouldn't be making any more money being the co-owner of the company ANYWAY. My arguement is that if Nas owns Ill Will Records outright, then Jay-Z must sell a whole lot of records to even MATCH what Nas will make on selling 500,000 (gold). Ownership is in the masters and my bet is that Damon n dem (like Suge when he first started out) does not have a firm grip on them either. I know that Nas doesn't own his, but then again, he's never made that claim either.

In this industry, producers like Timbaland and Neptunes can take up to 4% (and sometimes more, you would be surprised) of an album's earnings. So when you think about how much producers (cause that's ALWAYS been what has made Jay-Z hot, not his lyrics) take out of the albums, it won't matter how much Jay-Z owns of Roc-A-Fella Records because when it's all over with, he could probably end of owing money on records. That's usually what happens.

So as far as Jay-Z owning his own company, the question is does he really. Just because HE says he does doesn't make it so. Remember, you can be paid/pimped to say anything.

Now if he was a model for his clothing line, then yeah... wait, no he can't say that either.

Like Cedric the Entertainer and so many have said before, how does one be the best rapper dissing women? The truth is in a battle between men, one should not bring a woman in it NEWAY (whether Jay-Z banged Nas' baby momma doesn't matter in this case). You shouldn't have to bring other folks into your battles and when you take away the beat from "Ether" (which WE ALL KNOW Nas could have did better) Nas still punk Jay-Z where it really matters, true lyrical skills. Nas has rapped on many subjects over the years and whether or not he has sold a lot of records doesn't matter either. Almost every song Jay-Z has ever rapped about (with the exception of Hard Knock Life and maybe one or two others) has been about dissing women or having sex with women or talking about women.

The truth of the matter is NAS dissed JAY-Z...
JAY-Z dissed everyone around NAS and NAS indirectly.

I'll say more later but I got some work to do.

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Originally posted by OneOneTwo
Who owns Roc-A-Fella Records LLC? Hmm let's find out...
1... 2... 3... well almost three entities own Roc-A-Fella Records LLC?

The Island Def Jam of Universal Vinvendi (?) owns 50% (possibly more since they put ALOT into the company)...
Damon Dash, Jay-Z and Kareem (?) Briggs collectively own the other 50%... the question is how do we know that they own the other half equally? For all you know, Jay-Z may own less than 16.666% of Roc-A-Fella and if that is the case, he wouldn't be making any more money being the co-owner of the company ANYWAY. My arguement is that if Nas owns Ill Will Records outright, then Jay-Z must sell a whole lot of records to even MATCH what Nas will make on selling 500,000 (gold). Ownership is in the masters and my bet is that Damon n dem (like Suge when he first started out) does not have a firm grip on them either. I know that Nas doesn't own his, but then again, he's never made that claim either.

In this industry, producers like Timbaland and Neptunes can take up to 4% (and sometimes more, you would be surprised) of an album's earnings. So when you think about how much producers (cause that's ALWAYS been what has made Jay-Z hot, not his lyrics) take out of the albums, it won't matter how much Jay-Z owns of Roc-A-Fella Records because when it's all over with, he could probably end of owing money on records. That's usually what happens.

So as far as Jay-Z owning his own company, the question is does he really. Just because HE says he does doesn't make it so. Remember, you can be paid/pimped to say anything.

Now if he was a model for his clothing line, then yeah... wait, no he can't say that either.

Like Cedric the Entertainer and so many have said before, how does one be the best rapper dissing women? The truth is in a battle between men, one should not bring a woman in it NEWAY (whether Jay-Z banged Nas' baby momma doesn't matter in this case). You shouldn't have to bring other folks into your battles and when you take away the beat from "Ether" (which WE ALL KNOW Nas could have did better) Nas still punk Jay-Z where it really matters, true lyrical skills. Nas has rapped on many subjects over the years and whether or not he has sold a lot of records doesn't matter either. Almost every song Jay-Z has ever rapped about (with the exception of Hard Knock Life and maybe one or two others) has been about dissing women or having sex with women or talking about women.

The truth of the matter is NAS dissed JAY-Z...
JAY-Z dissed everyone around NAS and NAS indirectly.

I'll say more later but I got some work to do.

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Um, can I get an Amen?

The sad part is that most people were making up crazy stuff to make Jay look like he was the man. Glad someone set the misconceptions straight.

Appreciate the knowledge, I couldn't have said it better myself.

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