You got several good responses FROM MEN telling you what to expect in rush. You got one response from a woman who I do agree was being a little moralistic. Instead of just saying "I realize the age difference could be an issue and I have no interest in 18 year old girls" you got a bit oinky about it.

No one is going to say what will happen because we don't know that for any rushee.

I told you why...because I'M MAKING FUN OF YOU and your old ass. There is no general GC requirement to offer advice to any poster.

Signed,

A past her prime sorority alumna who has no interest in any 26 year old man.

The OP needs to ask himself why he is still SERIOUSLY (not jokingly) responding to this thread. He already said nothing is going to stop him from trying membership in particular types of fraternities. Therefore, stop going back and forth with people who have long accomplished what you are still striving to accomplish--collegiate GLO membership and post-graduate GLO involvement. Move on from this thread and see whether you can join a fraternity. Good luck.

What a classy lady, it's alright, my "old ass" still has a ton of options and sorority girls past their prime are not on that list. Go worry about your biological clock which is ticking while I worry about rushing alright? :)

With that said, I just want to re-state my main interest in joining a fraternity is because I want to be a part of a brotherhood where guys enjoy being young guys that love partying, and drinking. 26 is not really that old for guys in my experience but I understand it is older than what these guys would expect.

A simple statement saying it might be an issue with some of the brothers would have sufficed and I knew that before posting the thread. What I wanted to get was whether it was possible but then the old ladies who probably have 5+++ cats by no persistently tried to talk me out of it and call me names. There is something to be said about women who are long past their prime but still long for those days being very judgmental and trying to make everyone's lives miserable. I tried to ignore them and even reason with them, just check the first half of the thread, but they left me no choice.

To answer your question, Dr Phil, I'm going to diagnose it as a pathological need to have the last word. And we can tag team this forever to prove it. His theoretical life as a pledge is going to be very interesting.

I am a guy. So is elicampbell. So is TSteven.

Since you seem to unable to read what people have said and see the answer to your question, I'll try one more time:

1. Some fraternities may have restrictions on whether bids can be given to grad students. If you attempt to rush a fraternity that has such a prohibition, then no, membership in that fraternity will not be possible for you.
2. Even if a national fraternity does not have a rule limiting bids to undergrads, some chapters may have such a rule, whether written or unwritten. If that is the case with a fraternity you are rushing, then no, it is not a real possibility that you will get a bid from that fraternity.
3. Even if the rules of fraternities allow offering bids to undergrads, the campus culture may be such as to make it unheard of or frowned upon. In that case, while it may be theoretically possible to receive a bid, it is not at all likely.
4. Even if there are no other obstacles to your being offered a bid, a chapter may still choose not to actually offer you one for reasons such as those that people have described in this thread. So again, while it would be theoretically possible to receive a bid, it might also be very unlikely.
5. It is also possible that, if there are no regulations prohibiting it, a chapter could choose to offer you a bid. That decision is completely up to the chapter, based on criteria of what the chapter is looking for in new members, and no one else can predict how likely it is that any chapter might actually offer a bid.

In other words, have there ever been older, non-traditional students who've received bids? Sure. Is that any indication at all of the likelihood of you receiving a bid at ASU? Not in the least. Everything depends on the specific fraternity, the members of the specific chapter, the specific campus and, not least of all, the specific rushee.

Absolutely.

And I'd refrain from the insults, too. All they do is make you look like a fool or a prick or both. People from Arizona, and ASU, do read these threads. The 26-year-old, starting out in STEM, now studying art at ASU will be easy to pick out in rush. Chances are you've already started making an impression on the guys you hope will offer you a bid, or on their friends, and so far it's not a positive one.

Hey bud, I'm a twenty-years-and-five-months-old ACTIVE sorority member who is telling you right now that I would not want your old and creepy ass at any parties I may choose to attend. You got your advice from both fraternity and sorority members who know way more than you do, it wasn't what you wanted to hear, and now you're flinging insults as a result. I shudder to think of how you'll react if you don't get a bid from the fraternity of your choice or any bid at all. Fortunately for me, that's not my issue because I have letters and you don't.

Best of luck.

Since this thread is still going, OP needs to know this post is an illustration of sexism, bordering on misogyny. Find a way to talk smack to one person without essentially talking smack to an entire gender.

Check yo self before you riggidy-wreck yo self

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i...qcuKinFS3GnP-W

You're almost old enough to buy your own booze-- you're probably too old for him, too. LOL.

Oh damn...I've got to sign off. This "girl's" biological clock is ticking; I've got to get busy with these dusty old eggs I have laying around up in here. I wonder if my husband and child are worried about my biological clock blowing up all over the place? God, what a mess that's going to be.

Thanks for the distraction, dude.

Was that a Biological Clock Thread Flounce? :eek: GC regulars can't BCTF.

To flounce or not to flounce, that is the question.

I trust that most fraternity guys are somewhat sane and can objectively see what is going on here. Plus what would a 20 year old clemson student who claims to be in a sorority be doing trying to get into arguments online? That does not add up. Most will see it as her being a bottom barrel girl in her sorority that others don't look that highly upon and is taking her frustrations out on an internet forum. If she was given advice that would be one thing but to go out of her way to insult a guy on a forum section for fraternities, yes that is fraternities not sororities, does not make much sense.

I posted the thread asking for advice which some members did give but some female members in particular who are likely frustrated with their lives decided to attack me and I called them out on it.

That being said, I am grateful for this eye opening experience. Sorority girls are not the top reason for me to rush a fraternity, as I said I want to belong to a brotherhood of guys that love to party and get wasted (you don't find those after college). I don't know on what planet 26 is old, most men hit their prime around the age of 30, but given that a sorority girl way past her prime is too frustrated with her terrible life to come up with a creative insult she is likely to use "oldass" where it doesn't apply.

See, not misogynistic at all.

If you think you've taken the high road in this thread, you are mistaken. Objectively reading this thread, you're coming across like an immature, class-A prick.

And so you know, almost everybody posts in almost all the forums on GreekChat. Females post in fraternity-related forums and males post in sorority-related forums all the time. Unless a forum or thread is marked members only, anyone can post in it.

None of the regulars here are are so naive that we aren't aware that many (too many) guys want to join fraternities for this reason. But in the know-your-audience category, I think it's safe to say that most of the regular posters here believe that this is a very shallow reason for wanting to join a fraternity (or sorority) and his little to do with true brotherhood. Coming from an 18-year-old, it's an understandable motive that will hopefully give way to a much better understanding of what fraternity membership and brotherhood are all about. Coming from a 26-year-old, it sounds like a rather sad avoidance of growing up.

It's a good thing nobody around here advises at ASU and could pass this along to a chapter who might think about pledging you!

^^^^^^
This!

Thank you MysticCat for your post. I agree with your post. I could post more, however I feel that it would be a moot point.

To the OP good luck in your quest for fraternity membership. Come back and tell us what chapter you joined.

"Plus what would a 20 year old clemson student who claims to be in a sorority be doing trying to get into arguments online? That does not add up."
WOW. Maybe it's my Jersey upbringing but don't expect her sisters not to be extremely offended by that statement and defend her to the end against a man-child in AZ who's got a major Peter Pan complex. Seek a psychiatrist, not a bid.
I also highly recommend you stop watching Animal House and the like--it's really warped your idea of what appropriate behavior is of a fraternity man, and you seem to be falling all too easily into the misogynistic, over-aggressive trap.

I do believe age is more of a mindset when you are in your 20s. As I said I presented my situation and all that has been done is people trying to actively discourage me from joining a fraternity rather than:

1. Telling me how those exceptions that happen happen
2. What I will need to do to make myself a good candidate

With that said, I am going to stick to the other point I have made in this thread, what goes on in the mind of a woman well past her prime. The spoiled girl that was in a sorority and in her first 2 years of college and felt like a princess but then hit the real world and saw just how cruel it can be. Then you have a guy like me who never in his life had a fair chance at a social life and had fight for every ounce of respect he had coming into his own and trying to be a part of a brotherhood. What happens?

That's right, the girl who has hit reality hit her in the face and is facing the fear of the biological clock calls him old when ironically she is well past her prime. Advising? I would love to talk to an adviser who calls someone "oldass" rather than giving them advice which centers around how to be the exception. You girls are not advisers, you are monsters that have been hit by reality and wake up daily seeing their biological clock tick while some of the people you looked down upon in your college days (likely those not in your greek crowd) managed to make something of themselves.

With that said, I am finding this to be entertaining too. I did not expect that someone asking for advice on how to join a fraternity at 26 would be attacked this severely when he objectively tried to remain civil in the start of the thread. As to the girls still in college, please keep up that attitude and call your boss "oldass", see where that gets you in life. Not only will you be well past your prime in looks, you will have nothing to offer a high quality guy.

And thanks, now I know what kind of girls I can potentially be dealing with when I run into sororities.

Don't flatter yourself.

Oh yeah I'm so so worried about having "nothing to offer a high quality guy". Gosh I'm just gonna cry in the corner with my honors thesis and 3.3 GPA and all my sisters and guy friends about how I'm gonna die alone.
Spare us the drama, sir--you're an amateur playing amongst professionals.

BTW some closing words to some of you, I have dealt with females like the ones in this thread before. Those who feel the entire world is their kingdom and they can mistreat any guy out there as they wish and as they have done on this thread. A lot of them walk into the workplace with that mentality and get put in their place fast, so since you were kind enough to call me an "oldass" and give me advice that's the reality for the most of you. For you to get that offended over a guy rushing just means a lot of you are bottom barrel in your sorority and have nothing better to do, you are scoping around on a fraternity section for crying out loud.

Most of you seemed to have had everything handed to you in life and feel invincible because you are in a cocoon called college and can get away with this superiority complex you have, get used to being put in your place once you hit the real world. This coming from a guy who has had at least 5 years of experience in it.

That said, since I have my mind set on rushing a fraternity and am not going to change it, why are you still here on this thread? Shouldn't your lives be slightly more interesting?

Last word. So there.

LOL you better be a STEM student or else that is nothing to brag about.

Excuse me. I'm sincerely trying to be helpful. You seem to be changing your tack a bit. So, trying to get back to your question, I started thinking about ASU because I live in Arizona and know something about the Greek system at ASU. Are you aware of all the difficulties that the fraternities are experiencing there? You might want to do some research. The way things are going up there at Tempe Normal, there might not even be any fraternities left.

P.S. If you want honey, don't kick the beehive.

Well first of all, I want to thank you for your nice attitude which seems to be tough to find in this thread. Next thing, I went to school on the east coast where if you were not in a fraternity your social life was severely limited. Simply put, you had to be in a fraternity to be at kinds of parties where there is alcohol and people your age group not to mention guys that love hanging out and being social.

I grew with the mindset that being in a fraternity was mandatory for that kind of an experience because you could not have that experience outside of a fraternity. My friends who had a house near the campus and threw parties still talked about how it wasn't the same as being in a fraternity.

Having talked to friends who go to San Diego St, UCSD, UCLA, Arizona St, and Oregon it seems to be the common thing. If you want to party, get wasted, and of course live a college lifestyle of debauchery then being in a fraternity is the only way. Though I am going back to college for an Arts degree because that was a topic that interested me, I would still like to live a college experience I never had the chance to live due to pressure to finish fast and having to maintain a high GPA to keep my scholarships.

Again, you seem to be confusing honest advice as to the hurdles you may face with discouragement.

As to your second question, you will need to present yourself much differently from how you've presented yourself here. The typical 19- or 20-year-old guy is not likely to be impressed with a 26-year-old who acts like he's still in high school.

For somebody who has his mind set on rushing, you also seem to have your mind set on blowing your chances. Assume that people from ASU will read this thread, if they haven't already, and will able to identify you with ease. Assume you are already rushing. And know that you are not making a good impression so far.

I congratulate you on your decision. It seems that any of the issues there might be with age are pretty obvious, so I don't assume you'll need any special help there.

It just depends on where you're going and what house. Everyplace is different. I've seen a house (in recent years) give a bid to a Vietnam Vet who was going back to school. The guy went through formal recruitment sporting his veteran regalia.

Just go through the process, be yourself and whatever other platitudes... and yeah, some of the posters here are pretty bad about always assuming the worst about people and needing to air those assumptions, but responding in kind isn't going to gain you any ground.

My prediction is you'll find a house and have a great experience. Best of luck.

No kidding. I'm glad I'm out of Phx and don't have to worry about our future there anymore. BTW, I'm laughing about 5 years of work experience. So sweet.

I will give you advice for Rushing for a fraternity:
1. Be the best version of yourself.
2. Realize that you may not get a bid from the chapter you think is perfect for you.
3. Know that being in a fraternity chapter means that you need to willing to commit time to various philanthropic events and meetings.
4. Parties are only part of chapter life
5. Brotherhood is built when you least expect it.

Thank you. It is something I've done research about and wanted to do ever since I was 20 but being a senior in college back then I was too late to the party. I have done independent research on it but wanted to get a more involved with discussions on it.

So, to summarize, the OP is a cis/het guy who can't get any sex from women, and thinks joining a fraternity will fix that

No, it's about BROTHERHOOD. You can't find BROTHERHOOD anywhere besides collegiate fraternities. Also, girls don't understand BROTHERHOOD because girls, obviously.

ouch, now aim for the guy's love life, next up, start talking about the guy's physical features :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Now to accurately summarize:

- OP posts thread about being 26 years old and going back to college
- Wonders if he can join a frat
- Says he has enjoyed some of the things men in fraternity stereotypically enjoy but would love to be a part of a brotherhood with like minded guys (alcohol, drinking, partying, and debauchery)
- Female members (who are most likely past their prime) attempt to play the role of and talk OP out of it
- OP remains civil and tries to reason with them
- Female members attack OP and continue to play mom
- OP decides to argue
- Few members do come in and give good advice
- You are here

This guy comes here asking for legitimate advice, is not weird or creepy in the least, asks valid questions and this??^

Come the hell on.

Also uncalled for. There's no need to stoop to their level.

Thanks for being brave here and sticking up for me and it makes me happy knowing that there will be people like you I run into in Greek Life. I have decided not to make any insults against her since she is the moderator and I do my best to respect authority until it goes too far. With that said, I hate to be the guy that comes on this board and alienates people against each other. Can you use your power as a moderator to lock this thread? I have managed to get all the advice I wanted and will continue to do more research on the topic. Thank you.