everything is a-o.k., checked, and in working order...some people just get their kicks off belittling other people...it's too early for jokes...i need a mocha chino or a latte or something that smells like california... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Famous Words:

"Can't we all just get along?"

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haha AXO.. youre too funny http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

Um no offense, aren't you moderators supposed to set a good example for us? Just curious. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Hey AXOAlum...

Was "setting a good example" in the job description for being a moderator?? I didn't think so.

Um since when has insulting and belittling people become funny? I'm with you Chiocutie, there's no reason for the rudeness.
This is a public website, open to anyone who wants to register. For those who have forgotten that, check the top line when you post - "Who Can Post? - Any registered users may post a reply".
There is no need to be mean to everyone who posts something you've seen before, just politely tell them and instruct them on how to do a search. We're all very impressed with everyone's ability to reach new heights of sarcasm but enough is enough.
And no, setting a good example may not be in the job description of a moderator, but it is in the "job description" of being a good Greek and just being a good person for that matter.

Well folx, if ya' cain't stan' da' HEAT, get outta da' ki'chen' ! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Moving on...>>>



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MCCOYRED
Mu Psi '86
BaltCo Alumnae

Dynamic...Salient...Temperate...Since 1913

I agree with you, Turtlegirl and Chiocutie. I think this has gotten a bit out of hand...enough to drive away potential new members to Greekchat and maybe Greekdom itself.

#1--I don't think anyone needs a lesson in personal ethics. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif

#2--Once again mccoyred, you are right.

1. I'm an old poster. Not been around as much lately, but I'm an OLD poster, been here for about a year and a half now. LOL

2. Searches. Helpful, maybe--if you know what you're looking for. But on the other hand, I've never used the search ONCE--AND I never realized the option was there until recently. So, in light of that, be aware that perhaps new members might not realize there IS a search, might not know HOW to search, or might not know WHAT to search.

3. MODERATORS: I'm going to step on or over the line here--but if you're a moderator--your job is to be helpful and POLITE--AND to keep the boards civil. I don't think any of the moderators should be rude or disrespectful. If someone is asking a ginuine question--either answer it if you know it--or direct them in how to use the search. There is NO REASON people should just plainly be RUDE OR MEAN to anyone.

4. If you don't like a post--i.e. "What's XXX like at your school"----DON'T ANSWER IT!!!! Geez, it's not Rocket Science! Also--if you don't like it--GET OVER IT! Why why why start WWIII over something so meaningless?

Mgdzkm:

About the searches...I use searches many times, but many posts are HTTP 404 Not Found--they have been deleted or moved...so sometimes searches are not at all helpful.

http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif Newbie

Well there ya go! Another reason to just answer a prospectives darn question! If they do a search and it yields nothing--even if the topic has been talked about--DON'T BE RUDE!

I am so glad that everyone *thinks* they know all about me and my life. I didn't realize that using sarcasm to make a point on this little planet we call GC would negate all the things I do in my life and the lives of others to make things better for this world. If me making a few wisea$$ remarks along the way has so damaged your perception of what being greek means, then you have problems I can't even begin to name. If someones sarcasm would cause you to doubt your desire to be greek -- good! Because you don't have the faintest clue about what greek life and being a sister/brother in a bond means.

Here's a few notables for you all to sit around and discuss my qualities of "goodness" in my real life:

ARC (Assoc. for Retarded Citizens) -
Volunteer -- 14 years (here's a clue - thats HALF my age)

ARC - Family of the Year Volunteer award - 3 years running.

ARC - Volunteer of the Year award finalist - 2 years running.

Salvation Army - Volunteer 10 years

S.A. - Family of the Year Volunteer award

S.A. - After School Tutor Volunteer

Am currently seeking legal guardianship of a 44 year old woman with downs syndrome -- she has family who abandoned her to rot in a prison like institution - have worked with her for 7 years

Employee of the month -- too many times to remember in working with a state based group home for DDA clients

AXO - Service chair; Alum president; projects focused on serving the victims of domestic violence; foundation contributions

Church missions, projects, overseas missions, homeless missions, childrens missions, are you getting the idea yet?

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So please, let me know just how many warm fuzzies I need to hand out on here to make people think that *wow* you can be a really good person and still have a sense of humor in life. Yes, I do refer to the "resident psychos" because for the most part, EVERYONE on here who is a regular knows who and what I mean.

Here's a great quote for you:

"[If] you want coddling, go on a diet and hire Richard Simmons"

-Harlan Coben "Tell No One"

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So please oh please - won't you please deem me worthy of being a good person since I live and breathe every breath according to what people on this board think of me?! My goodness in my own personal life and the lives of those I work with mean nothing to me without the approval of people on this board who have been so ready to judge me in with the bad people because I am guilty of using some sarcasm. [AXO Alum breaking down into desperate sobs]

Thanks, mccoyred - to the point as usual http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

[This message has been edited by AXO Alum (edited May 10, 2001).]

This is gonna be final post on this whole situation. Disclaimer before I begin: I am in no way a saint. I probably have said worse on here then most of the regulars, I just happen to be one of those kinds of people who gets something on his mind and has to give his 2 cents about it.
There is nothing wrong with bashing on this board. Especially against anti greeks who come here to pick fights with us, and usually we give it to em. Go us. Then we have the fly by nighters that come in here with uneducated comments lookin for a fight, and we are usually more than happy to give them a ear full too. Hey, to me, thats good stuff. Gotta love it when the board is jumpin with red hot folders with all of the regulars bashing on some idiot that thought they would come in here trying to get a little sideways with us.
Me personally, I dont like it when GREEKS (bigtime emphasis on that) post articles with the troubles of our fellow greeks, usually of the illegal kind, that they have so graciously retrieved from websites like, oh say, CNN.COM!!! Cmon folks, if stuff happens to other chapters around the country and it makes a nationally syndicated website like CNN.COM do we really need to bring it here for further examination. Now I can see non greeks bringing it to us. That honestly hurts us. Let a sleeping dog lie. If someone frequents these sites and sees it, hey, nothing we can do.
I have already said what I am about to say this week so bear with me or turn your comp off. New kids come to this site everyday. Potential Rushees, greenhorns, wet behind the ears, and eager to learn. Their first couple of posts are gonna be ignorant as hell (ie. What is XYZ like at ABC School) Just plain ol dumb stuff. I think that is what we are talking about in this thread. Some of you jump down their THROATS and honestly, alot of the time they dont know any better than to ask us these dumb things. There are 4 or 5 ladies I hold in very high regard on here. As far as GC goes they are powerful, respected, and influencial. After reading some of these posts, I realize that some of them are the most intolerant too. There is nothing that I can do about that. I made a bad comment against OTW this week (that I shouldnt have), becasue honestly, I view her as one of the MOST powerful and influencial on here, if I was a girl, more especially a potential rushee, it would be people like these 4 or 5 women I would turn to for advice. Provided I didnt get my head bit off. See what I am getting at. I sited an example earlier but what if one of these girls has an older brother that tells her not to rush cause he thinks sorority girls are stuck up and snobbish. Say that girl doesnt listen to her brother and she comes here and asks a simple yet beat to death question directed towards us, and one of us bits her head off. Now, where will her opinion go, and will someone step up fast enough to help her with the information she seeks. I have no more to say about it I just wanted yall to hear my side.
And yes, I know there is a thread out there containing the kind of CRAP that I hate (ie. guess what so and so chapter at so and so U. did this week, I found it on CNN) and to be honest, I just feel like Ive said so much about it that I feel like I am runnin in circles sometimes.
Conclusion: There are some very, very, very influencial people on this board. Even on a website some of you can make a diffrence in young people minds. I'm not saying that you dont do enough, but as fall rush nears, lets all be on the same team.

I didnt get to slam on that actung whatever his name was today because I designed a testing machine and it had its maiden run this mornin, by the time I got to a comp everything was locked up. We need "get out of lock and key for free cards" for the regulars so we can get in there and atleast get one or two good punches in real quick.

Thanks for readin.

[This message has been edited by KABillyMac (edited May 10, 2001).]

OK let me start off by saying that I do believe we could all (myself included) use a lesson in personal ethics every once in a while. I am by no means saying that I am the person to teach this lesson but I don't see any harm in a refresher course in niceness.
To AXOAlum - my original post was not directed at you, it was a general statement. If it led you to believe I was writing directly to you, perhaps that is just because the comments hit a little "too close to home." But since your comments did seem to be addressed to me (an assumption I can reasonably make since you did quote from my post in your own), I feel I should respond.
First of all, your history of community service is very impressive and something which you should be very proud of. That kind of dedication is amazing! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif
Secondly - no, a few sarcastic comments would not and did not deter me from going Greek. I am a proud Delta Zeta and my sisters seem to think that I know what being Greek and being a good sister means. I do think that a few too many sarcastic comments could scare new posters off of this board. If this is their first exposure to the Greek system, it could make them feel unwelcome and leave them with a bad taste about Greeks.
Lastly, I do often find humor in your sarcasm. You can be a very funny person! The only time I have a problem with sarcasm is when it is demeaning to others. There is a huge difference between funny sarcasm and intentionally insulting sarcasm.

Cmon folks, if stuff happens to other chapters around the country and it makes a nationally syndicated website like CNN.COM do we really need to bring it here for further examination. Now I can see non greeks bringing it to us. That honestly hurts us. Let a sleeping dog lie. If someone frequents these sites and sees it, hey, nothing we can do.

I agree that this stuff CAN hurt us, and DOES hurt us. But at the same time, we need to learn about it and discuss it and figure out ways to prevent it. It's sad, it's bad publicity, it's usually sick stuff--I wish it didn't exist. But it does, and the only way to continue the fight against the things that happen in these chapters across the country--is to EDUCATE ourselves and OTHERS. Who knows--someone might come here and say--you know, that's messed up, look at the potential of the greek system--I'm going to get involved and try to turn things around. I just don't think sweeping the bad under the rug will promote the good.

OTW,
Please, this is a greek chat...a website on the internet! The number of posts you have/length of time for which you have been registered does not give you some sort of supremecy. Usually when people post subjects that have already been discussed, it is because those previously posted topics are very outdated and people don't even look at the threads anymore. Therefore, in order to get fresh ideas from new people each day, new posts are brought to the forefront. Oh yeah...and why waste your time condescending to people if you think the thread is stupid anyway? It just shows that new topics get more responses which is what those people were looking for. I am sorry. I do not want to disrespect anyone on this board or create hostility. I also know that other people have learned some wonderful things from you, but please, step down to the level of the newcomers and realize that this is not anyone's website. This is the greek family's website and everyone who is greek on here should get the same amount of respect. I have already met some splendid people and I would like to see that continue.

The number of my posts has never ever made me feel like I'm "better than" anyone on GC. Too bad you feel that way.

Point noted, pbpck...just not taken. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Listen. GC is, in some small way, a microcosm of real life. On a message board, a college campus, on a job... there will ALWAYS be people with varying personalities. In real life, if you don't like somebody's personality, what do you do? Most likely, you DON'T TALK TO THEM.

Just because this is a message board doesn't mean it is your responsibility to lecture individuals on what YOU feel are their faults, personality flaws, and ethical dilemmas. If someone is sarcastic by nature (pointing to myself), you saying "Sarcasm is BAD!" will not make them change any more than me making this post will change what you believe if you don't already agree. Chill. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/tongue.gif

Dang. I wish John would close this thread.

I know how everything started...those of us who've been on the board since last summer were victims of the horrible autumn blitz by Becky'n'Barb in which they were so viciously angry that they flamed GCers' every post and when they would get thrown off GC, they'd come back with a new IP and username and more hate. Some of their sessions would start with seemingly innocent questions, some with purposely aggravating statements or questions, and others would start off being evil. They managed to get thrown off several boards and for those who haven't seen it, there's a direct link to GC entitled "Annoy GreekChat" on guess which site.

See, if you weren't here, it'd seem like us "oldtimers" were really nasty, short-tempered people and we're not. It's just that we had to endure months of those 2 trying to rip up this board and start fights because of their grudge against a relatively few people that none of us even knew. Now we tend to react to overly innocent or seemingly stupid posts snappishly because we expect the next posts to start into the familiar pattern of hate. It will be difficult for us to stop after so many months because the pattern got so old...you'd turn on your computer and there would be the filth ruining several good threads, usually posted in the middle of the night.

No one here means to be nasty. We've just become almost paranoid because GreekChat was almost trashed.

Give it a break, there are many New People who join us so why cannot let them ask they maybe an A-- about it? Yes we have some dudas, as we know, I never mind someone asking something which is new to them. Hell I am a Senior member and I do not know it all DO YOU! Give it a rest AXO! You CAN GIVE ME GREIFE but give a little LOVE! LUV AND KISSES!!!!!!!!

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Tom Earp LX Z#1
Pittsburg State U. (Kansas)

I disagree. I hope John DOES NOT close this thread. To do so would just say that we should ignore and not discuss the obvious general bad tone that has invaded this board. When people are rude, arrogant, and condescending, they deserve to be called out. Better to deal with the problem than ignore it.

What's the point in dealing with it? You bitching about how rude and arrogant some of us are won't make us change a thing!

I already know that I am very opinionated and all too often obnoxious. I don't need you GCers to point it out. What good will it do to say "OTW, you're damn obnoxious and a plain old bish!"? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

OBVIOUSLY NOT! I'm sorry OTW/AXO Alum, but you are both rather rude to people on a regular basis. Last time I checked this was a PUBLIC FORUM - if you want a private discussion on "serious issues" create your own bulletin board and make it private.

If someone wants to come on here and ask what their sorority is like at another school, or what other people think of chapters, they have every right to. And I, along with everyone else, has a right to answer any way they darn well please.
Get over yourselves, PLEASE. If you are sick of answering posts, DON'T. It's all a little sad.

You don't see me crying about it. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

Isn't this the very thing you're trashing OTW/AXO Alum for? Oh, the irony. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif Like OTW (and myself in an earlier post) already pointed out, YOU TELLING SOMEONE THEY ARE SARCASTIC/RUDE/ARROGANT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THEIR PERSONALITY. I doubt anyone is going to change who they've been their whole lives because of something you posted on a message board. Seriously.

OTW and AXO alum are you guys this evil in real life?

This is not a personal attack, I swear. But have ANY of you who have issue with OTW or AXO ever heard a joke or sarcastic remark in real life? You would swear using dry humor makes you the spawn of Satan. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Actually, the tenor of posts here can be more significant for Greeks and your organiations than you may realize.

I am my chapters founder in a way that most people are not, meaning I conceived an idea to start a Fraternity without a group of people to back me. I came up with the idea, recruited a team, and saw through the execution. It took me two seperate attempts with two different organizations to do it because of the way our campus administrators viewed Greeks.

As a result when people on campus have wanted to start a Fraternity/Sorority I have often been a resource for them.

2 years ago one or two girls came up to me because they wanted to start a Sorority on Campus.

So I shared my experience and knowledge with them and helped them pick out which group to affiliate with.

But what did I know about sororities (except that I would like to be in one)? At that time none of my friends were in one on different campuses.

However, I spent time on the old GreekSource way back when and was very impressed with the posts of our very own, Barbara, AKA PnguinTrax, and so I recomended ZTA to them, it wasn't on their list, but they put it there.

And I kept hinting what a great group it was, leadership orientated, fun, would give them resources, and had a dedicated group of alumnae. With a little persuasion from me, their good taste, and a little help I gave with greasing the administration, as well as luck of the draw, they chose ZTA and ZTA chose them.

And that same year received their charter into ZTA.

Why? Well beyond all their hard work it was because Barbara's love for the Greek system, and her Fraternity, showed so strongly through her website, and frequent intellegent posts on Greek source and Duncan's old site, that I was impressed enough with her and by extension ZTA to make that recomendation.

Such a seemingly small thing has led to a new ZTA chapter that is now the biggest on our campus, the only one at Total.

And if Barbara hadn't impressed me so much at that time and place, there is an extremely high probability that there would be a different Sorority here.

Take this as a lesson and do with it what you will.

Sorry Barbara, I meant to write to you before about it but the draft got filed. I did meet Deb Ensor the Executive Director and told her an abreviated version of the story. She knew precisely who you were. Here's a hi from her 1.5 years late http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif


[This message has been edited by James (edited May 17, 2001).]

Wow, that's so sweet James, and that's a good lesson indeed http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif.

Excellent point James, and excellent example of your point.

In all situations, I would suggest treating newcomers and the ensuing questions as you would someone in a formal rush environment. This way, you will be representing yourself and any organizations you may represent in a positive light, and will be helpful to others.

Also - let's lighten up a little bit in here - no reason to argue, regardless of who's right or wrong . . . anyone heard any good jokes? jeezus

ok everyone, there seems to be a lot of negativity thrown back in forth in here. so this is what I have to say. In GC, everyone of us has a different personality ,different ideas of whats right and wrong, and definetly different concepts on greek life. Some of us are opinionated and some jump in here and there, well we can't change that and neither should we. Although there are many complaints about people being rude to new people who have questions, really theres nothing we can do about that either.If u want to answer the question then please do, and if u don't then please don't. I am sure although discouraged at times, the new people will be guided by those who love to answer questions no matter how many times it has been repeated. But thats kinda one of the purposes of gc to learn, help, chat, and whatever else falls under or in to GC, second someone pointed something out about the search not always working. thats very true sometimes the search works sometimes it really doesn't. so if u feel as though u can't help, or the question is annoying to you, then ignore it, and I am sure someone else will answer it(hopefully).
People should be able to post whatever question or comment they want, as long as it's not offensive and yada yada(ya'll know the deal on that) so if someone posts the same question for the 20th time let it slide, and if someone posts something in the news get over, it's conversation, without some of these posts we wouldn't have anything to talk about, and gc would be kinda dull. Lastly where's the luv ya'll
One and much love to ole and new{img}http://cwm.mysmilies.com/otn/love/sweety.gif[/img]

I just wanted to say that chat boards belong to no one individual, they belong to everyone. Whether they posted one time or a hundred times. Someone can post a hundred stupid and rude posts or one really intelligent one. Time on the board means nothing. Rudeness does discourage rightful posters from coming to the board and expressing opinions. Rightful posters are anyone, greek, non-greek, general public, prospective members, and haters. It's interesting to hear all opinions. How do any of us grow without questioning? Sarcasim is not necessary by anyone because it is abusive. If Greeks want to look good, they wouldn't be on here chewing people out over ANYTHING but something criminal! Learn to disagree like mature adults, because when you go to college they consider you adults. If this wasn't a board that represented so many national organizations and their members, I could see where sarcasim would be ok. Just remember that you DO represent your own organization and MY organization everytime you write a comment about anything.

Carnation, you are definitely the "mom supreme" of this board! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif Any new posters who've felt snapped at, her post explains perfectly why sometimes people get jumpy or snappy. Compare it to every time you walk into your home finding a window broken or a lock picked. It does put you on your guard for a long time.

Mikki - I don't think anyone is advocating "sweeping things under the rug" by not posting hazing or similar stories. The way I look at it is that's part of my mucho extended Greek family - and if anybody in my family is hurting I don't want to do anything to make it worse. I personally think we get farther discussing things like that in the abstract than singling out XYZ at Bigold State U if they are trying to dig out of whatever hole they've gotten into.

There were two men and woman trapped on a deserted island. They were happy with their arrangement until the woman tragically died.

2 weeks later they were so ashamed of what they were doing they burried her . . . two weeks after that they were so ashamed of what they were doing they dug her back up . . . http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/cool.gif

BIG HUGE KUDOS TO AXO ALUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just read your post to a newcomer who posted a new thread about the sorority/fraternity rankings at his school. You told him oh-so-politely to search for the old thread. You are so awesome!!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

OK I just re-read my last post and thought it might have sounded kind of condescending. Just wanted to say that wasn't my intention at all. I am honestly impressed. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

LOL http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif

TS, Laura.

Don't like what I post? Take your own damn advice and move on.