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06-26-2013 12:49 PM |
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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby
(Post 2222477)
Many people don't have ID's. Obtaining them takes time and money.
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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito
(Post 2222503)
I was required to go to the state capital. Everybody born in my county after a certain time period had to. They couldn't trust the records in the county records.
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Yup, Detroit is the same way. I'm close to the cutoff between being able to go to Detroit to get a new copy versus having to trek to Lansing. Which creates one hell of an obstacle for Detroit born people who don't have the resources to make that trek.
ETA: Or someone like me who lived in another state as a resident there for a few years. God forbid I was a little poorer.
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Originally Posted by Kevin
(Post 2222510)
Thing is, my meth moms, black/latino/whatever etc., are capable of obtaining proper identification. Seriously, if these folks can do it, so can anyone in the world. I'm simply stating that obtaining proper ID, at least in Oklahoma, where all 77 counties have twice voted against Obama, where we have voter ID laws, it's not difficult to get an ID.
Yes, if you lose your birth certificate, you're going to have to jump through some hoops, but if you can make a photocopy of some acceptable form of ID, (bank records and utility records can work), you'll be fine. This can all be done by mail.
But responsible adults keep copies of these things. I don't care what your culture or race is. Stupid is not a culture or race. Speaking from experience, it knows no cultural or racial barriers.
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But then I think of a place like Michigan where the major reason why the state swings blue is because of Metro Detroit. There are plenty of people in the city of Detroit (I'm not even going to touch Flint, Pontiac, or any other areas right now) who don't have the money or the time to get a valid state ID. There are organizations who raise money in order to travel around the area and transport people to Secretary of State offices, pay for their ID, assist them in registering to vote, and transport them to voting sites. But they can't reach everyone. And this is just Detroit. Imagine these much more out of touch places in the country. I just feel that this VRA decision is just the beginning of something bigger. Once these barriers start popping up for impoverished populations, suddenly the state is swinging red.
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Originally Posted by DrPhil
(Post 2222542)
I spoke with someone earlier who was saying the VRA was not gotten rid of completely, changes were made, so what is all the big fuss. I explained that small changes lead to big changes. We know the routine and we know the game. It happens in all aspects of life where people follow the "slow but steady wins the race" routine. Let us not act brand new.
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THIS.
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Originally Posted by MysticCat
(Post 2222573)
Section 5 requires some jurisdictions to get federal approval of changes in laws that have to do with voting. For now, Section 5 has no teeth, because the formula for which jurisdictions are subject to it has been struck down. Congress would have to come up with a new (and presumably acceptable) formula for Section 5 to come into play again.
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THIS THIS THIS
ETA: I forgot to make mention of my transgender brothers and sisters as well. They already have problems being turned away from the polls because they don't look like the picture on their ID. This definitely isn't a step forward in their movement. |
