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But, ummmm, yeah-- there are these highlighted words that are in color called "hyperlinks" which will allow you to go to a window and use "search" functions on this Ultimate Bulletin Board GreekChat site. Maybe if you were computer literate enough you would have done your research. But one would not be able to really tell since your UBB code sucks... As an lady of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Incorporated, dealing with the impossible is my middle name. I advise the Mission Impossible undergraduate chapter!!! And honey, really, dealing with you... (Ha Ha) You aren't sure where to put it... Much less what it is used for... So now, deal with that... Quote:
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Well, I have been told that my body looks 21 years old... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif But I have had to put childish things, like worrying if I should be "cool" with the NPHC or getting an invitation to step, away. I have moved way beyond wanting to relive my youth. Now, my concern is working in my molecular genetics research consortium, finishing my project which may cure heart disease through gene therapy, and paying my mortgage. So, your ASS-umption shows who you really are... And as far as getting "Thick head"--well, honey, it is too bad you are sooooo mean to me... Not all fantasies and desires can be fulfilled... Sorry... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/tongue.gif |
Okay Okay, we've completely gotten off the subject. Let's talk:
So I'm guessing you never seen a Step Show other than that which was sponsored by a NHPC Group. Is that correct. Because California doesn't have very many black colleges. I'm not sure of any. I'm thinking that you are come that coast. If that's the case your unacceptance of our 20 plus years of stepping makes sense. Because just from logic, being in a predominately white organization and having been a stepping group since the beginning of stepping (50's 60's) Let me give some links of photos of some step show history of my frat. http://w3.one.net/~sdarden/apopics/frat1.jpg http://APQGSS.tripod.com/ZZweek/ZZweek07.JPG http://members.tripod.com/~CookoutWe.../2000cwo26.jpg I've been married for 12 years. I was not reverting to physical violence. I said slap on some ears like Mr. Potato Head. I do not need validation to step. This is the point that I've been trying to convey, but it's not getting through to you. I've been stating like I have always questioned. When you have a contest letting not just us, any non-NPHC Group step in the show not in the show but as guest steppers, (I'm not going to say exhibition anymore). Now some of the other people on this board, I believe think that we would have a show and invite other NPHC groups just so we can make more money. I have to be directly honest with that when I say the making money objective was not an idea of mine. No, just merely squashing barriers. Because they exist. And there existence I have to say is due to not being aware of us. This is okay and understandable. Personally, I don't mind waiting. I expect several hundred of Alpha Phi Omega and Gamma Sigma Sigma at the our 9th Annual Cookout Weekend in Atlanta. I'll be talking photographs so you guys can see them. During that weekend we should have about 7 to 9 chapters stepping. No, the '25/'52 doesn't need validation. Because it exist in a family all it's own. This not isn't just for you AKA_monet. It's for anybody who doesn't know who we are. I think that our exchanges has been profitable. Profitable in that it's giving me a chance to highlight my organization and the element within. It doesn't matter who argees with it. The fact that we exist is all that matters. Small? Maybe as a family. But Alpha Phi Omega is the largest fraternity in the world. And Delta Sigma Theta is the largest sorority in the world. However that doesn't matter one bit. It's the people who makes the organization they represent. So if you think that I've insulted your organization my insulting you then I apologize to your organization. I'm not even about that. I'm just carrying a flag. A flag that says "I'm in a fraternity that is meant to help young men." And yes we've made some modifications of the past. And yes it was accepted by our groups within our society. Belittle the act if you would like, it doesn't mean any to me. Because there is many individuals in this family. And they're lives are intertwine into it. So if there is a situation where the 25/52 family can represent, they will be available to those individuals that are opened to it. If not, such is life. We carry on. ------------------ JayBEE! Ay-Phi-Que! Alpha Alpha Lambda Chapter Alcorn State Unversity Fall, October 18th 1980 President, Brothers of the Rising Sun, Atlanta Alumni Chapter of Alpha Phi Omega JayBEE's State Of Mind The AyPhiQueGammaSig Family Homepage |
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Now, if you do a search, you will find what school I attended and which chapter I pledge because I am very, very familiar with Atlanta, Georgia... Quote:
Besides that point both of my parents attended Fisk University. My Grandfather was the president of Bethune-Cookman College for 28 years... He died in 1994. My Grandmother still lives across the street from the school. My mom is from Georgia-near Marrietta. My father is from Florida. But I was so "fortunate" http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif to be born and reared in SoCal. Just to let you know the world is a huge place, most African Americans living in SoCal haven't even heard of Howard U., Morehouse much less Alcorn State... Only those kids whose parents were reared in the south know remotely anything regarding the "traditions" that many Southerner's hold so dear... So out here on the west coast many of our young people first encounter any Greek Lettered system, and decide to Rush a HPWGLO--which is their right--it hurts those Afrikan amerikkklans that had to endure water hoses during Civil Rights while they were wearing their greek letters... These kids, having made their choice, do not realize that when they get into the "working world" and the "corporate ladder" with a "glass ceiling"--and because I moved back to SoCal this same ceiling is "Hollywoodized"--they start coming back wanting to join our organizations--like, now, today, you choose to be Black... So, because of my noble nature, I apologize to you since you have explained to me (and everyone) your situation. I misinterpreted your attitude and your organization. One word of advice, "pre-empt" folks more clearly as to what you are "all about", 'cuz a lotta of us ain't feeling you just like I did. Quote:
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However, what our young unaffiliated people have to understand is one can do com serv. with anyone. When one decides to become a member of one of the NPHC BGLOs that person, if accepted, also gets the immeasurable benefits. Some of those benefits is having the "applause" and hype of a crowd during a step show. You can see how that excites young people. If your organization were to show up out here and "mad" step like folks to down souf, some of this kids in the NPHC will tell you are disrupting the delicate unity shared with the small number of African Americans attending a school. Even as an "exhibition team"!!! Even if your invited!!! Not trying to think about the importance and distictions between the NPHC affiliates and your organization... And if you say you all "show out" at step shows, I know some collegiates and maybe some alumni NPHC groups out here would be very angry afterward... It is just politics isn't as progressive in SoCal compared to the ATL. Out here, folks are allowed to have nervous breakdowns and drive down freeways in a white bronco... And shoot at schools with a smile... And probably be lootin' for no reason during this summer's rolling blackout season... Just another chitty, sunny day in southern killer kalifornication... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif |
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This is true. And I have been very fortunate to have attended both a HPWCU and a HBCU. Alcorn State University had a atomsphere that was equal toward all fraternities and Sororities on campus. And then I transferred to the University of Southern Mississippi. Normally any other black organization would not be able to exist on a HPWCU, because of the dominance of NPHC organizations. In my transfer, I brought the same traditions with me that we had at Alcorn State University. We stepped, and the barrier was put up. It was confusion. "Now how are they going to just all of a sudden step." If we didn't do some of the things that are familiar to black people, this national organization would seem more like a local club. And the organization would not draw from the same pool of people. This is the driving force of a step show unassociated with the NPHC. Quote:
I'm sure we were right in there. This is what I said earlier: "Let me say it like this…. Before Martin Luther King graduated from college in 1958; ….before nine Little Rock, Ark., schoolchildren were escorted to Central High School by federal troops, ending efforts to thwart court-ordered integration in 1957; ….and Before Rosa Parks refused to give her bus seat to a white man in Montgomery, Alabama in 1955, ….Alpha Phi Omega allowed a black campus to have a chapter of a white founded organization in 1947." This was at Johnson C. Smith University (Delta Phi). The significance of this is that it was white people that allow themselves to be integrated, during the time of riots, lynching, and protest. Florida A&M University, Kappa Delta Chapter, is about to have their 50th anniversary next year. That means they were a chapter in 1952. And in the between 1952 and 1953 there was new chapters at Wiley College, (Kappa Pi), Southern University, (Kappa Lambda) and North Carolina A&T University, (Kappa Psi) Howard University, (Zeta Phi) was before 1952. These chapters were all black and all male. There is a barrier even between our own chapters. Our old traditions are attempting to be washed out by politics and National officers who, like unknowing black people, do not want us to be ourselves. So when I meet black people who don't want us to do certain things, it's the same old story that we get from other chapter who desire us to be more like them. I'm not a clone of them, and the 25/52 family isn't either. We are who we rather want to be. For what purpose, to keep the attraction, our heritage, and our traditions within this mini-country of a HPWCU alive. So that other young men can benefit from the growth material inside that effects every young man in the United States. Quote:
That's why our organizations are actually good for each other. Because in this organization you have to opportunity to work along side white people like you would have to in the corporate world. So when we have a person from a NPHC join they get interaction in all avenues not just the blacks. Quote:
Yes. When it applies. Because if you have all nine or even eight groups of the NPHC stepping the show can be huge already. And it would be good for NPHC groups to visit step shows of other GLO's, and that Would give a first look of how they would fit in a step show. Or even audition them. Quote:
You have to agree that you didn't approve of even hearing another organization step outside the NPHC. That's understanding. But that is just one barrier. When Ohio State's Gamma Sigma Sigma Chapter first became a colony, they walked out on their campus and they were approach by other NPHC organizations immediately. One Delta even asked her about her colors (Maroon and White) asking them who gave them the right to choose those colors. Deep huh? Quote:
We boast being a service organization because it is in our name. Alpha Phi Omega, National Service Fraternity. However you are correct when you say that NPHC organizations do service. Now, almost every organization on campus does service. And these organizations are national organizations. What make our organizations different is who started them and the race contingency within. All these national organization has something to do with supporting your growth as a human being. The reason why I can join a NPHC is only because our organization is not apart of the black founded organization group of The National Pan-Hellenic Council. If Alpha Phi Omega, National Service Fraternity did petition itself to join and the NPHC accepted it's petition, dual membership would end. Like most fraternal organizations, We do have social events. The current state of Alpha Phi Omega, National Service Fraternity overall it acts more like a society or a social club on most predominately white campuses. 95% of those chapters are co-ed. Alpha Phi Omega, National Service Fraternity began to allow chapters to become coed in 1976. After that you saw a big decline in black chapters because none of them voted to allow the female membership. This is why we are old in tradition but seldom seen. Our chapters, that are in the '25/'52 family are all male and the sorority is all female. But there are both coed chapters in the fraternity and in the sorority. The importance of the '25/'52 family is that it allows who we are to remain alive. Quote:
That's all the way right. Alpha Phi Omega began on an all male campus by young men to give young men a better start in life by showing them a standard of manhood found in the Boy Scouts of America. The vehicle they choose to help transfer this standard of manhood was service. Quote:
Barrier One. No Doubt. And where does that anger come from? It comes from seeing some thing unfamiliar and not understanding it's existence. That is extremely hard to overcome, especially as immediately as the action is done. There are some collegiates and maybe some alumni NPHC groups that do not have the patience to even hear what they don't know. It's a like the NPHC is a golf country club, within our culture. And like seeing Tiger Woods coming to Augusta, Georgia, and breaking course records in order to get respect, we have to come serious. For instance. Phi Beta Sigma, at the National Step Show Invitational at the University of Florida in 1998, has a four man step team that came out in a black total body covered Ninja suits. They came through the crowd with make shift swords and giving out roses. They got on stage and busted a tight step. And then they got in signal file. And each one pulled off their hoods, one at a time. It was three white guys and one black. But the crowd cheered. It was a contest. They ended the show licking whip cream out of a chair and the females when wild. They placed first. They came with a serious show. Now the what wasn't even seen or mentioned was on stage they were accepted, though they were predominately white on stage. Our stepping chapters will not even be that way. They may have one white guy, but even that is a rarity. The deep thinking that I have is that your organization can be either a animal house organization with social purposes only, and society dedicated to a single purpose, or a national organization with some cutltural heritage. Each being reflective of the environment they exist in. Alpha Phi Omega has to be considered as the most reflective organization on the planet. Because we have predominately every thing chapters. Predominately female, predominately black, predominately asian, predominately white male, predominately phillipine, predominately mexican. Whatever. But as a close group, the black male has to be aligned to maintain who we are. I can imagine, because we've been gone in many places for so long, I can expect to get plenty of barriers push in front of us. It's always been a long road. But if I could draw another young man to this organization, it's worth the tribulations. ------------------ JayBEE! Ay-Phi-Que! Alpha Alpha Lambda Chapter Alcorn State Unversity Fall, October 18th 1980 President, Brothers of the Rising Sun, Atlanta Alumni Chapter of Alpha Phi Omega JayBEE's State Of Mind The AyPhiQueGammaSig Family Homepage |
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Some of us are already saying, "I'm too old for that kind of thing..." So, basically, other than the once or twice a year huge step show, what is the point for another exhibition? I am sure you are not saying you want a "step show" every night? |
Jaybee you never cease to amaze, you ever get tired of reasoning with brick walls?
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Of course not, The race riots was not all in one year. I'm saying that blacks too in this organization should be in history for doing for doing their part. I'm saying that our organization took a bold step in race relations by allowing us to exist as members "just as" your organization took one in allowing your soror Eleanor Roosevelt became an Honorary member 1941. I'll never say anything that isn't written down somewhere, but I'm sure what our organization did during that time should count for something in the black culture. The focus was a color blind focus. It was on young men. Quote:
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You know that the time at school is a fraction of someone lifetime. We are only talking about 4 to five years. Most NPHC groups don't even pledge freshmen. So the time is even shorter than that. We have an open membership policy. So you can be a freshman and join as long as it's okay with the campus policies. People can look at it a multitude of ways. They might want to get some pledge experience with Gamma Sigma Sigma before they join AKA. Or an AKA may want to get some more service hours as a member of Gamma Sigma Sigma. Or just to add either organization to their list of organizations with membership. Who knows? I don't know what Mae Jamison, the astronaut, did. But she is both and AKA and a Gamma Sigma Sigma. We are drawing from the same pool of applicants and if you know the effects of the NPHC on individuals, its harder for a non-NPHC group to exist. The effects: Some don't understand a organization outside the NPHC. Some individuals inside the NPHC degrade organizations outside the NPHC, to individuals not in any organization. Dillard University had an old chapter of Gamma Sigma Sigma. They were just about to blow up on campus because they had a line that started out with 39 in the spring of 1998. We've had numbers like this before but this was the largest recently. But I knew the hold that the NPHC had on that campus. I visited the campus one time and sisters of Gamma Sigma Sigma didn't even speak to me for fear they would not be selected in an NHPC organization. So with the size of that pledge line, I knew they were in trouble. The president of GSS was pledging Delta Sigma Theta. I even went so far as to try to schedule a national event on their campus in the fall of 1998, so that they would get the support for being in Gamma Sigma Sigma. By the end of the pledge period there were 28 pledges that crossed. The numbers started dwindling. In the Fall they had only 9 members coming to meetings. The new president of GSS was pledging Zeta Phi Beta. And by the end of the spring 1999, GSS national declared that chapter inactive. That hurt me because that was a great sister chapter. Quote:
No I think that every night is just too much. Every week is too! But what you are beginning to get is NPHC organizations with their weeks. We have weeks as well. Both of us are having step show during that week. So you may have as many step shows as your semester has Saturdays. It only makes sense to get the organizations that can take part in the step show at that time. And if there is a huge step show that is already large, and it's a NPHC sponsored event, as long as it not an event that is apart of the schools events, then we shouldn't be allowed. I hate 3 hour long step shows! Now in the case of a school sponsored event, as in a night of a classic weekend, any organization that steps on a represented campus should be able to audition and participate in the contest. I think it should be considered even unfair, to have a step show during a classic weekend and know that other organizations on that campus have a history of stepping. That's like not allowing some organizations to have floats in a homecoming parade. ------------------ JayBEE! Ay-Phi-Que! Alpha Alpha Lambda Chapter Alcorn State Unversity Fall, October 18th 1980 President, Brothers of the Rising Sun, Atlanta Alumni Chapter of Alpha Phi Omega JayBEE's State Of Mind The AyPhiQueGammaSig Family Homepage |
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A simple conversation can go a long way. But you have to listen as well as speak. All these organizations have great people in them. And if that is true, then you will find one that chooses to listen as well as give you some knowledge. ------------------ JayBEE! Ay-Phi-Que! Alpha Alpha Lambda Chapter Alcorn State Unversity Fall, October 18th 1980 President, Brothers of the Rising Sun, Atlanta Alumni Chapter of Alpha Phi Omega JayBEE's State Of Mind The AyPhiQueGammaSig Family Homepage |
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So far as written history, All I have found is speculative comments. This is probably because it wasn't a forseen need. I think as long as it is is written down somewhere, it doesn't need to be lectured before a step show. ------------------ JayBEE! Ay-Phi-Que! Alpha Alpha Lambda Chapter Alcorn State Unversity Fall, October 18th 1980 President, Brothers of the Rising Sun, Atlanta Alumni Chapter of Alpha Phi Omega JayBEE's State Of Mind The AyPhiQueGammaSig Family Homepage |
"who the founding stepping organizations are?"...interesting...the things they don't teach you in mbt...anyhoo...i wasn't saying anything more than what i wrote...proper attribution is necessary...whether written or simply orally agreed upon...stepping has MANY origins...all deserve highlighting...
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huh, what? i thought this was about stepping? but hey, whateva...we could ALL learn a bit or two from each other...NO ONE is ALL KNOWING but the all knowing herself...so take a step down sometimes, listen, and then step back up...it does wonders for the soul... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif
i think that is wonderful that non-nphc orgs step...but don't do it if you really don't understand the meaning behind it...and the years of history that are recounted and celebrated through the act...i think that is what is offensive...you cannot claim that something is original to you just because you jazz it up a bit...that is like sampling portions of a song and claiming that you wrote the entire thing...once more...give credit where credit is due... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif peace and blessings... [This message has been edited by VctoriasSecrt (edited May 08, 2001).] |
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ahhh! Speculatively stating all the MANY stepping origins before each and every step show will not happen. While I feel it is okay to let your members know the history of how it came to be, I also feel that if the audience wanted to know they can do the research. Dang! ------------------ JayBEE! Ay-Phi-Que! Alpha Alpha Lambda Chapter Alcorn State Unversity Fall, October 18th 1980 President, Brothers of the Rising Sun, Atlanta Alumni Chapter of Alpha Phi Omega JayBEE's State Of Mind The AyPhiQueGammaSig Family Homepage |
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Stepping is not a huge part of my life so I like other members of the audience may be interested in it, but may not be so moved that we want to search all over to find out about it. A statement by the MC is usually enough to satisfy the curiousity. |
hehehehe Okay whatever.
------------------ JayBEE! Ay-Phi-Que! Alpha Alpha Lambda Chapter Alcorn State Unversity Fall, October 18th 1980 President, Brothers of the Rising Sun, Atlanta Alumni Chapter of Alpha Phi Omega JayBEE's State Of Mind The AyPhiQueGammaSig Family Homepage |
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