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Pearly 09-02-2012 09:24 PM

I actually think the guys really look forward to the girls running by on bid night...and they are lined up waiting for them on University. Wouldn't that be foolish to be yelling out insulting things as hundreds of beautiful girls go running by?

APhi4Ever 09-02-2012 09:41 PM

I find out where a girl I know joins tonight, I'm so excited for her!

Football Fan 09-02-2012 11:02 PM

Delta Delta Delta
 
Delta Delta Delta took 90 new members. This is the largest number of new members in the history of the chapter which has been on the row for 91 years.:)

The numbers in the classes must be record breaking.

BlueOwl 09-02-2012 11:25 PM

Wow! 90 new members for Tri Delt! Awesome! Hoping Trojan GC'ers can get the numbers for all of the houses. What was quota? Were cuts really extreme?

TriDeltaC 09-02-2012 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Football Fan (Post 2174795)
Delta Delta Delta took 90 new members. This is the largest number of new members in the history of the chapter which has been on the row for 91 years.:)

The numbers in the classes must be record breaking.

WOW! Fantastic! Can't wait to see pictures =)

APhi4Ever 09-03-2012 12:15 AM

Still haven't heard from my rec girl, she's been keeping me informed all week. Will post when I hear something.

Pearly 09-03-2012 01:54 AM

Any body have numbers for the other houses?

kaeb 09-03-2012 04:53 AM

82 in Kappa Alpha Theta, per a friend's facebook status.

ginger85 09-03-2012 03:07 PM

Pi Phi has 87 new members.

APhi4Ever 09-03-2012 07:17 PM

My rec girl preffed at Alpha Phi and Pi Beta Phi and received a bid to Pi Beta Phi! She is so excited!

aesovs 09-03-2012 07:24 PM

I counted 88 for Gamma Phi Beta from a bid day photo, though that's probably not 100% accurate.

Pearly 09-03-2012 08:57 PM

Delta Delta Delta was highest ... Previously reported at 90... And all the other houses except DG were in the mid 80ish range... DG did not do as well and I will let someone more in the know report that number as I don't want to spread something around that I don't know first hand

LAblondeGPhi 09-03-2012 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pearly (Post 2175154)
Delta Delta Delta was highest ... Previously reported at 90... And all the other houses except DG were in the mid 80ish range... DG did not do as well and I will let someone more in the know report that number as I don't want to spread something around that I don't know first hand

I believe DG is one of those chapters at USC that is working on razor thin margins for their release numbers.

And wow, these numbers are HUGE, even by USC standards. I seem to remember quota usually in the 50-60 range - IrishPipes thread confirms quota at 56 from last year. Yikes, this might be a difficult growth spurt.

DubaiSis 09-03-2012 11:17 PM

Well, there's an expansion on the horizon.

Football Fan 09-03-2012 11:46 PM

The chapters at USC will welcome the return of Alpha Gamma Delta in 2013.

GPhiBLtColonel 09-04-2012 12:08 AM

Rush
 
One of my rec girls pledged Alpha Chi Omega and is very happy!:) She is eager to get involved and contribute to the chapter and her new sorority - she has a wonderful attitude and I am so proud of her!

My other rec girl sadly suicided and did not get a bid - her mom and I tried to dissuade her from doing that but we couldn't get thru...so frustrating for her mom and I that she may totally miss out on greek life :(

aab225 09-04-2012 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by LAblondeGPhi (Post 2175197)
I believe DG is one of those chapters at USC that is working on razor thin margins for their release numbers.

Just out of curiosity, what do you mean by this? I know many girls in Alpha Nu and they are one of the largest DG chapters in the country. They do very well in recruitment usually. It's a shame to hear this year they were behind.

DubaiSis 09-04-2012 12:32 AM

I think she means they are so successful at rush every year that their required cuts during rush are really high. So the slightest misstep on guessing who to put in what order and you could end up a few off. It's not a surprise and it doesn't mean they're off or somehow failing. It's actually a compliment.

kaeb 09-04-2012 12:32 AM

Ok this is all speculation on my part, but chapters are allowed to take up to quota, right? So isn't it conceivable that some chapters may have opted to take fewer women?

aab225 09-04-2012 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by APhi4Ever (Post 2175229)
Since Delta Gamma recruits well at USC they have had high return rates over the past years. How many women must be released due to the RFM method is what she is talking about. The higher return rates in the past, the more women you have to cut in between rounds.

Right right thanks! I was also referring to the comment that said they took a smaller pledge class than other chapters, but thanks for the explanation!

Pearly 09-04-2012 12:41 AM

I think she means that they are on a razor thin margin because historically they have done so well. I heard they had a very large number of legacies (30 +) so I am not sure at all what happened. Anybody have confirmed numbers?

thetalady 09-04-2012 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Football Fan (Post 2174710)
With over a thousand women registered and nine houses participating in formal recruitment new member classes may be the largest ever.

So which of the NPC groups did not participate in recruitment? I see on the website that there are 11 NPC chapters...
AXO, APhi, GPhiB, ADChi, DDD, PBPhi, ADPi, Theta, DG, KKG, & SDT

I realize that SDT participated in only the first part of rush.

GPhiBLtColonel 09-04-2012 12:50 AM

Not 100% sure...
 
...but I believe ADChi doesn't do formal recruitment...

Football Fan 09-04-2012 01:00 AM

ADChi and SDT select members through informal recruitment.

thetalady 09-04-2012 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Football Fan (Post 2175237)
ADChi and SDT select members through informal recruitment.

Got it, thanks!

dukedg 09-04-2012 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Pearly (Post 2175232)
I think she means that they are on a razor thin margin because historically they have done so well. I heard they had a very large number of legacies (30 +) so I am not sure at all what happened. Anybody have confirmed numbers?

I believe they had around 40 legacies this year. I don't have any results for DG yet.

Titchou 09-04-2012 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kaeb (Post 2175228)
Ok this is all speculation on my part, but chapters are allowed to take up to quota, right? So isn't it conceivable that some chapters may have opted to take fewer women?

I don't know about other groups, but any chapter of ours that did this would be in deep you-know-what with the Fraternity if they did this!

mamagreek 09-04-2012 11:50 AM

I wouldn't think a sorority would have all of the legacies it started out with (30, 40 or whatever) to pref. I thought chapters invited legacies back once as a courtesy, but then after that sororities release legacies and legacies release legacy chapters.

KSUViolet06 09-04-2012 11:54 AM

^^^Everyone's legacy policy is different. They certainly do not HAVE to cut or keep any set number of legacies. Depending on the policy, quota, amount of legacies in recruitment and other factors, a chapter could very well have 30 legacies in a class if it so chooses.

BlueOwl 09-04-2012 03:57 PM

Delta Gamma is a verrrry desirable sorority at USC. I would be shocked if they elected to be under quota and I would be more shocked if panhellenic allowed it. Given that there were so many pnm's this year.

I know for a fact that DG is one of the most sought after (if not THE most sought after bids at USC). I am sure their cuts are huge and their return rates very high.

Glad that all of the sororities did well this year!!

KDCat 09-04-2012 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueOwl (Post 2175341)
Delta Gamma is a verrrry desirable sorority at USC. I would be shocked if they elected to be under quota and I would be more shocked if panhellenic allowed it. Given that there were so many pnm's this year.

I know for a fact that DG is one of the most sought after (if not THE most sought after bids at USC). I am sure their cuts are huge and their return rates very high.

Glad that all of the sororities did well this year!!


Maybe they were allowed to take quota and not one person more. Sometimes a lower number means that the group is more desirable, not less.

Here's my understanding of what happens sometimes with the "most desirable" houses under RFM:

Because the "most desirable" chapters have a high return rate, they have to make deeper cuts much earlier than other groups. They have fewer people that they can invite to their invitationals and to pref. Because fewer people attend their pref, they don't get many of the "extra" PNMs who attended pref somewhere but failed to match on the first go round, but who are matched to one of their pref houses because RFM guarantees them a bid if they maximize their options. "Less desirable" houses can invite more women to pref and thus, they can pick up more of the "extra" PNMs.

Somebody correct this if it's wrong.

DeltaBetaBaby 09-04-2012 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by KDCat (Post 2175346)
Maybe they were allowed to take quota and not one person more. Sometimes a lower number means that the group is more desirable, not less.

Here's my understanding of what happens sometimes with the "most desirable" houses under RFM:

Because the "most desirable" chapters have a high return rate, they have to make deeper cuts much earlier than other groups. They have fewer people that they can invite to their invitationals and to pref. Because fewer people attend their pref, they don't get many of the "extra" PNMs who attended pref somewhere but failed to match on the first go round, but who are matched to one of their pref houses because RFM guarantees them a bid if they maximize their options. "Less desirable" houses can invite more women to pref and thus, they can pick up more of the "extra" PNMs.

Somebody correct this if it's wrong.

You are correct. Even if there were women who were at DG's pref and didn't match, the GA could have placed them as quota additions in the weaker recruiting chapters instead.

HQWest 09-04-2012 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 2175349)
You are correct. Even if there were women who were at DG's pref and didn't match, the GA could have placed them as quota additions in the weaker recruiting chapters instead.

This only works if the PNM picked the other chapter as her first choice and NOT if DG did not made quota and the girl would be a QA to the other chapter.

Also - to clarify - a chapter that gets quota additions is NOT less desirable nor is a PNM that is a QA less desirable. A PNM is made a QA if she does not match in the top of the bid list for her pref chapters. It is done so that every woman invited to prefs will get a bid.

A chapter that gets QAs did better than statisically expected based on the number of women they were allowed to invite. The QA usually goes to the smaller of the two chapters but that is the decision of the GA. If both chapters are the same size or two chapters are going to get a lot of QAs the GA might spread them out.

Pearly 09-04-2012 05:06 PM

DG is a highly desirable chapter at USC and they had very capable girls handling recruitment but they obviously lost more than a few girls to the other chapter that they pref'ed at...I am sure they will be all over that and are still a strong and well respected chapter...As are ALL of the USC Sororities!
And please aren't we supposed to be avoiding talk about tiers and who is number one and top of the heap? Very disrespectful to other groups and this type of talk is what causes girls to drop out of rush and miss out on a wonderful experience in Sorority life.

kaeb 09-04-2012 05:20 PM

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Mevara 09-04-2012 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kaeb (Post 2175368)
Quota is not one fixed number at USC. I know of at least three different quota numbers for this year, not to mention the houses that were capped for dirty rushing.

I don't know why this is, and could not even begin to explain it, but that is how it is here.

Every chapter should have the exact same quota. The difference in numbers would be in quota additions and snap bids.

Someone correct me but I believe Campus panhellenic can't punish a chapter by restricting membership. I think the moi has something against it.

Titchou 09-04-2012 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaeb (Post 2175368)
Quota is not one fixed number at USC. I know of at least three different quota numbers for this year, not to mention the houses that were capped for dirty rushing.

I don't know why this is, and could not even begin to explain it, but that is how it is here.

This is not allowed by NPC. In fact, it is expressly forbidden in the MOI.

AZTheta 09-04-2012 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaeb (Post 2175368)
Quota is not one fixed number at USC. I know of at least three different quota numbers for this year, not to mention the houses that were capped for dirty rushing.

I don't know why this is, and could not even begin to explain it, but that is how it is here.

Could you please cite your sources for this information? Otherwise, I ask you to remove your post, and I will then delete my QFP. Because your post is, for lack of a better word, unsubstantiated information.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt: perhaps you do not completely understand quota? or the MOI?

KSUViolet06 09-04-2012 05:57 PM

Small note here: Quota may be set as a range, per the RFM Specialist. Ex: a chapter I worked with used range set quota of 8-10.

Now I don't know about "capping" for dirty rushing. That is not allowed, per the MOI. No Panhellenic can stop a chapter from taking women as punishment for an infraction.

Titchou 09-04-2012 06:02 PM

Just so everyone can see that this is a Unanimous Agreement, from the MOI:

JURISDICTION OF PANHELLENIC ASSOCIATIONS
Panhellenic associations are based on democratic principles and organized to afford cooperation among the women’s fraternities. Panhellenic members shall respect and obey the letter and spirit of all National Panhellenic Conference unanimous agreements. Panhellenic associations’ constitutions and bylaws shall conform to all unanimous agreements.
1. College Panhellenic Associations
A. The administrative body of a College Panhellenic Association is a College Panhellenic Council.
B. A College Panhellenic Council shall be comprised of delegates selected by individual chapters from the NPC fraternities.
C. A College Panhellenic Council shall take no action that infringes on the sovereignty, rights, or privileges of the individual NPC fraternities. Infringements include but are not limited to the following:
i. Requiring fraternity chapters to maintain a specific scholastic grade point average.
ii. Requiring a scholastic grade point average as a condition for a chapter’s participation in membership recruitment.
iii. Requiring a scholastic grade point average as a condition for a woman’s participation in the membership recruitment process.
iv. Requiring a scholastic grade point average as a qualification for pledging or initiation.
v. Requiring fraternity chapters to maintain a minimum number of members.
vi. Surveying to collect data that reflects a chapter's internal information or requiring documents that are considered confidential material regarding the chapter's internal operations.
vii. Lowering a chapter’s quota as a penalty.
viii. Requiring a chapter’s Panhellenic delegate to be a specific chapter officer.
ix. Enacting a College Panhellenic governing document provision or sanction that infringes on the sovereignty, rights or privileges of the individual NPC fraternities.
x. Voting to contradict an NPC Unanimous Agreement.


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