There is a back story/rumors that people have been tossing around for years that you may not be privy to. That being said, I don't think carnation meant anything by her list of made up names. People will read into it what they will. I'm not surprised the thread was closed before it turned into a epic trainwreck.

Agreed. Jesus flipping the bird was her swansong.

What you KNOW? Okay, prove it, AlphaFrog. you weren't there. I have witnesses who were. You pm me with every ounce of proof you have.

I'd really super love it if you guys could take this to PM. :)

No, we don't know all the facts. But DrPhil did know that what she did (posting multiple iterations of the same thread with the same title, with pictures of people or things flipping the bird) was against the TOS. She was smart enough to know how to get banned. When you were banned a few times I'm not sure you knew why or whether or not what you did was against the TOS (I can't remember the circumstances anymore) - but DrPhil's was pretty clearly and intentionally against it.

Gee that's clear... :rolleyes:

I'm not new either, so I get what you're saying. But she has the power to lock it if she so chooses. Become a mod if you want the same power - don't be jealous or mean that she has the ability to if she wants...

It's not about that.

+1 to all this. I enjoyed DrPhil's perspective, but she took herself down purposefully. And to say that she was "goaded into" it is ridiculous. I think she has her own self restraint to step away from the keyboard if she'd wanted to. She didn't want to.

Again...crystal clear. :rolleyes:

Could we all stop talking in riddles?

I'm not BlueBatShit, I don't keep files of proof on people. I don't even really care, except inasmuch that you represent yourself as this mega-Panhellenic person. If you want to have biases, that's totally your prerogative as it applies to your and your families' lives. Just don't get your panties in a wad when someone calls you on it. Especially when you abuse mod powers in doing so. NO ONE ELSE'S thread would have gotten locked at that point.

It had to have been more than just giving somebody the finger. I've seen old posts, long before I joined GC where other mofos posted the same shit, and their account is still active.

Prove that I'm not Panhellenic. You claim that, you prove it.

Since when have you known several people in one discussion being civil, and reasonable? Whenever you have several folks debating about one topic, shit is going to get out of hand at some point.

Holy crap, really? Ok, you're Panhellenic. You've got all your daughters in top tier groups. Congrats. You WAL.

I think it was the eight different threads with a different picture flipping the bird with Jesus as the piece de resistance. In its totality, that was enough.

ETA: I have already stated that I thoroughly enjoyed her well curated collection of "bird" photos. It cracked me up, but I could totally see the flounce.

FYP

Why do you consider them top tier groups? Did I ever say they were in top tier groups? You don't even know where the groups stood, if one were to rank them, on their individual campuses.

But I'm sure that AOII, Chi O, Phi Mu, and Zeta are happy that you think they're top tier. I've been thrilled with them!

Wow. I missed that one.

When I read the recruitment story in question, I was a bit surprised to only see four groups listed- it did seem odd at first. But I took the explaination at face value once one was given. But then again, Carnation has two daughters that are my sorority sisters, so maybe I'm a bit biased.

Then again, this is an internet chat group. I try and take everything with a grain of salt. I've also re-read some of my posts, and I've discovered I'm a bit boring on greek chat. I'm really not this lame in real life (just ask AOIIAlum about some of my facebook posts) :)

Thanks...exactly.

I feel you. I think the posts were deleted, but I remember her posting some shit about bouncing a few days ago. That's why I think she knew what she was doing.

You're quick.

I hope that wasn't a sarcastic comment.

Alright, so basically, people know what they are doing and why it isn't okay. If you, as a third party, don't understand why it isn't okay, perhaps you should ask the person doing the inappropriate posting, because I think they know what the issue is in just about every case.

You're a mod, so that's your job to ask the username "out of control" what the issue is. If they continue after a warning has been given then continue with the ban.

I've seen what carnation wrote in this thead, and I thank her for posting it. I can see the frustration in it.

You're quite right that lots can be going on behind the scenes that the average CGer may not know about and probably doesn't need to know the details of. And I know as well as anyone that GC can have its drama, in-fighting and personality clashes. I remember some of the reports to HQs.

But here's the catch: Under those circumstances, it should be no surprise that average GCer, who doesn't know all the backstory, might raise an eyebrow at what happened in that thread. My point is that under those circumstance, I think it's in everyone's best interests, including the moderator's, to do something other than just lock or delete, even if it's just "We've been down this road before and we're not going again. Thread locked." That tells me, average GCer, that there's more to the story.

As I have said, what I have been asking about was the deletion of the original Wall of Shame thread. I don't recall anything there that rose to the level of harrassment or bullying. If there's backstory that the average GCer doesn't know (and doesn't need to know), I think the better practice is to lock the thread or delete the offending posts with a mod's note that the thread is veering into a repetition of harrassment or bullying. Then you avoid "What happened to that thread? What was wrong with it?"

Again, I've tried to be clear that I don't think anyone is entitled to an explanation. I actually think it does more harm than good to talk in those terms about this.

And of course we can't know all the context. But surely there is a middle ground between filling everyone in on all the backstory and saying nothing while those without context have the impression of arbitrariness.

I didn't mean to imply otherwise. I think I was trying to get more at that my focus in this discussion has been about what happened before all the drama started -- or at least when it seemed to me that the drama started. (And yes, I'd agree that this was DrPhil's swan song, at least for now. She knew what she was doing -- she saw an opportunity and used it.)

I guess this to me is why locking or deletions of posts rather than deletions of threads should be the way to go -- we're all talking about what we remember of the thread without having it to look at.

I feel like I've said all I can say on this, and I know I'm repeating myself. I think I've been heard, so I am going to fight really hard the urge to have the last word.

Y'all know how hard that is for me.

Where is that sarcastic font we were all looking for?????? I apparently needed it!!!!

Were you or weren't you? If you're being sarcastic now, fuck you.

No offense, but I think we'll not be taking moderating advice from you.

LOL I'm not offended. I really don't give a shit who you take advice from, I'm going to post my opinion regardless.

And we're all dying to know what you think.

--sarcasm, btw.

If you're not "dying" to know what I think, then don't read my posts. If you give a shit enough to read my thoughts, then you give a shit enough to know what I think.

Mkay. Well this delete/ban thing has been thoroughly hashed out here and on several other threads has it not? Neither side is moving and without some sort of mediation, on the scale of President Carter at Camp David, I don't see any middle ground being displayed at all. Therefore I anticipate that someone will make a comment that invokes Godwin's Law of Internet Threads in the next 24 hours.

I'm taking bets on when that will happen. Just PM me.

For the record, I don't have the power to ban anyone. Nor is moderating a message board my "job".

I never said what you had the power to do or not to do. I don't know what your job is in "real life", don't really give a shit, but you are a moderator, so it is "your job" HERE to moderate.

Yes I was being sarcastic. It was very obvious that DrPhil took her own ship down.

But thanks for the gentlemanly commentary.

You're fluent too, Shirley? Wish should get together and snark sometime :)

:D I've promised myself I'd save snark for when it was warranted. Which, in this particular case, it was. Heeee....

Recruitment Stories are the new AI forum.

If the compulsion to tell them overrides what the average person can ascertain as walking directly into a shitstorm, perhaps we need to get rid of them...and the "addicts" need to form a creative writing group off GC where they can post this dreck to their hearts content...without actual living breathing humans being involved.

I don't see why people can't just wait until they are over. I posted my story about a decade later.

I like recruitment stories, but I hate reading through paragraphs of descriptions of all the chapters on the open house and first party rounds, especially at a large school. I usually skip to second round, see what chapters are left, then read the earlier info pertinent to those groups.

Man, how did I miss ALL.OF.THIS.

And yes, take it to PM, then screen shot it, then make a new thread. No? Ok. Forget I asked.