PH gives them to the chapter. Never fear....

I guess I need to introduce myself to an Alpha Gam adviser to ask if they'd rather have incomplete RIFs early or complete RIFS later.

I'm sure I could do better getting them in complete as well.

Good luck this year, Alabama advisers!

I don't know about other advisers but I always rely on the PH reported GPA rather than the one from the PNM.

That's the best source, but understand some schools are withholding GPA's!

OK, should have qualified and added "when we get them." But I would think it would be understood that if you don't get it from PH, then you have to accept whatever you have.

I think Mary Poppins was trying to be helpful, but I thought we were just talking Alabama anyway and Bama provides the GPA, right?

Anyone know if any of the schools that Greekchat has declared "highly competitive" or "places where you have to have recs" have PHs that fail to provide a verified GPA?

GPA is almost meaningless to me anyway. I would say at least 75% of the PNMs I wrote recs for provided some ridiculous "weighted" GPA. So they would tell me their GPA was a 4.35 yet their ACT score was a 21.

Now that ^^^ is so true!

I usually just go off what their transcript says...do you not have to ask for those?

And as someone who was a HORRIBLE standardized test taker, I practically could have have been the 4.35 with a 21 ACT. It happens.

But I totally get what you're saying about weighted GPA's!

ETA: This is how I see standardize test questions!
http://www.someecards.com/usercards/...IyNjQ5ZDMzMmI1

Yes I do look at transcripts, but they don't typically help. So many girls take concurrent classes at a junior College, and half of their classes are things like photography and social media. So I just use their unweighted GPA, but test scores are what speaks to me. I know some people don't test well, but the GPA thing is so ridiculous I don't factor it.

RE: The bold - Do you figure that yourself? Just curious, I've never seen anything like that on a transcript. But 99% of my recs come from only about 2 or 3 high schools.

Which begs the question, do college panhellenics use the weighted or unweighted version? Just curious. I know "gaming" the GPA system is an art form these days (for both college admission and for rush) so it just makes me wonder if everyone is on a level playing field in that respect.

The transcripts I have gotten provide weighted and unweighted. I would never calculate something myself and provide that as some kind of official statistic.

I guess my gripe is that it seems like at some of the area high schools, you get at least a B just for showing up, because the writing skills and test scores don't tend to back up the inflated GPAs.

Fascinating! There's just one GPA on ours (unless there's some fine print somewhere that my old eyes don't notice) and that's what I go with.

I totally know what you're saying about the writing skills/test scores...we see some of those as posters on GC!

The Greek Office usually gives you the unweighted core GPA for the subjects the university accepts towards their admissions requirements. That's one the that makes the most sense and is more indicative of how they will do in college. If your PH doesn't give you thar information, I would use the unweighted GPA because it doesn't have the "fluff" in it.

OK, just have to brag....I was in Tuscaloosa last night - was asked to speak to the DGs on their first day of work week. The house is GORGEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow! Huge and beautiful. You would not believe how big the girls' rooms are. Oh my! Not the house I lived in there, that's for sure!

On my dd's transcripts it shows weighted, unweighted and core. I find the whole GPA compared to the standardized test fascinating too. I will tell you I almost feel off my chair when a University said to me that the average Freshman GPA last year was a 3.8 and the average SAT score was 1200!! What?!

As for my daughter she is also an awful test taker. She has test anxiety. She is a really hard worker and takes her school responsibilities very seriously. I would be surprised if she was not successful in college. For her, I would look at the unweighted GPA with is still very good.

Photos???? We would love to see some photos.

Not yet - the HC president would tar and feather me! They want to wait to "unveil" it to the whole campus at one time.

Of course-that is understandable-but after that, maybe?

Will do! Am sure they will be on the chapter FB page as well.

AOII just posted pics of their renovation. It looks great. I particularly like the new facade. I'll try to post a link.

http://alabamaaoii.wordpress.com/

Wow what a great renovation! I agree with you on the new facade, it looks very nice!

Wow, SUCH an improvement!
I saw a few pictures of Delta Zeta's interior renovation on a friend's Facebook page. Not much change on the outside, but the girls' rooms inside are vastly different.

How lovely! I really like all of it!

Beautiful!!

Alabama Recruitment News (I hope this hasn't already been posted.

Guesstimated numbers; additional parties scheduled:

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/articl...pation-in-rush

“Kat Gillan, the director of Greek affairs at the University of Alabama, said she predicts that the total number this year will be 1,900. “

“Gillan said the quota for this year will probably be around 100. . . “

It was up to 1943 as of last Friday....

Are second-floor balcony doors firecode adds?

And do two kitties (one white, one brown) in cat-nap lounge painting have names? ;)

In one of the articles posted upthread, the Panhellenic office for Alabama reports that 85% of women going through Rush get a bid. Of course, that means 15% or close to 250-300 PNM's will not get bids. Again, this number is much higher than what I saw at UK. Any thoughts on why such a high number of PNM's end up bid less on bid day? Do the majority of the 15% simply "fail to maximize their options" and drop out in the middle of the week? Suicide Bidding? Or "cross-cutting'?

It was actually 79% during formal recruitment last year. They changed it to 85% after DG's colonized. Just my opinion but I think that many OOS girls have no idea what going through recruitment at a competitive recruitment school is like. They come in under prepared (they don't have multiple recs..or even just 1 for every house) and end up overwhelmed (where then they don't maximize their options,suicide or drop). That doesn't account for all that end up bid less but I believe it encompasses a good size group.

I'm guessing a huge number withdraw, as well, so the 85% placement does not mean 15% get cut everywhere.

From what I know there, more withdraw than are released. But it probably isn't overwhelmingly so. But I don't think 85% placement is all that bad. Consider that a percentage sign up even when they don't have the grades nor the recs. And the upperclassmen who don't get placed as well. I've already seen rec requests for several Juniors. They are going to have a tough time.

To this day I am floored by numbers like this.

I attended a school where the entire undergrad population was around 5000, meaning about 1200 per class. My freshman class was at approximately a 2:1 male:female ratio, meaning about 400 incoming women. There were only about 150 PNMs in any given year, and that includes the handful of sophomores and up who were either transfers or re-rushing. Total was 80. Quota throughout my collegiate years was 30ish, so after recruitment, most chapters had around 100 members. And one of the reasons my local sorority's founding sisters chose to found their own much smaller sorority is that they felt it was impossible to feel a sisterly bond with 30+ pledge sisters and 100+ chapter sisters.

I attended a prominent engineering school in the Northeast, i.e., I was in a different world.

As of tonight, roughly 13% have UNDER a 3.0.
Many of them will be released first.
A hefty percentage - I'm not going to guess - withdraw after the second releases (for skit day) when they don't have the "select" 5 or 6 on their list.
A small percentage get fed up by the process and drop out. An even smaller percentage withdraws due to boyfriend pressure, or conflicting schedules, or decide it's not for them, or don't like the stress etc.
There is also a small percentage who don't like their bid and don't even show up at their sorority on bid day, but I don't think that's included in the figures.

It's all what you're used to.
When I was a student at Alabama, we had the same number of sororities - actually one more, since Sigma Delta Tau participated in rush at that time. Around 500 to 600 rushed each year, with pledge classes around 30 to 35. The biggest groups had 100 to 125 members; the smallest ones had around 60 or 70.
Of course, at that time there were around 10,000 students on campus. Now, it's 35,000 on campus.

Perhaps it's because the majority of the recs I write are for schools that have more competitive admissions standards, but it floors me that in this age of obscene high school grade inflation that such a large percentage of incoming college freshmen would have sub-3.0 GPAs. I can't even remember the last time I saw a rec request for a PNM with a GPA under 3.5 unweighted. Don't get me started on the weighted ones!

Thanks for slamming our school!

Who's slamming your school? 15% of your PNMs are under a 3.0 high school GPA. That's Alabama's admissions standards which are different from those I see.