Originally Posted by swarmina (Post 2140040)

I can't tell you what this innocent error or whatever has hatched in some of you. I have planned to keep all my family pins together on my stole, forever. I would never wear one but my own, and I think I can understand the spirit of this discussion, but some of you people have said some truly ugly and hideous things. I tried to locate a moderator to just pull off the post, but the mods for this forum have been off GreekChat for some time. I tried to delete it, but the msgs where people quoted still remain. I also have been in contact with DG headquarters by email, FB, and just now by phone. I have been informed thus far that it is not imperative to return a deceased member's pin/crest jewelry, but now that I have been called a LIAR, I want to talk to someone willing to have me post their name and to have a firm knowledge of what DG desires of the pieces. People calling me a liar, people accusing me of bringing up my brother's disability as an excuse, holy cow. GET A LIFE people! I mean, I am a Neonatal Intensive Care Nurse. People have babies that die, that have horrible problems, babies that need emergency surgery sometimes when they are as tiny as baby birds, moms that die in childbirth, babies hospitalized for months-years sometimes. Is this pin issue really worth all this energy... all this negative, nasty energy? I mean, go feed some orphans or something people!
I am utterly flabbergasted at what began as a request for help identifying what exactly this crest pin was has turned into this. My brother wore the pin as a gesture of love toward a woman who met a great deal to him. He is not Greek, so he has no knowledge of any rules about this. I knew nothing of his even having anything of the sort in his possession until he visited me last week and we were sharing old photos and mementos/memories.
Honestly, a Greek cherishing loved ones mementos of their Greek common histories is something that has made my commitment and love for my own sorority even stronger. It has led to me sharing that same feeling with my two growing girls, hopeful future Greek geeks like I was. But this has shown me the balance of the sad fact that there is kind of a dark, exclusivity, mean side to some people who are also attracted to Greek organizations. Was there not a kinder, better way to have communicated any of this?
I had just started to enjoy this forum, posted old photos that I took time to find just to share the enjoyment with others. Actually got excited about some old memories and looked forward to sharing love of all things Greek on here. Crap...ran into some people who seem to be quite a piece of work. From what I have been able to ascertain thus far, I have made no errors or mistakes in my holding on, handling of the ones that I have from four separate GLO's. I leave this post in good conscience that nothing was done wrongly. Not everyone who participated in this lively discussion can say the same.
Now back off...cease & desist. NOTHING more can be gained from this discussion, so move on.

Originally Posted by corkscrew1869 (Post 2140312)

Ok, so all of you who are "holier than thou" and keep trying to quote policy....I can assume that NONE of you EVER wore ANYThInG that bore the name or symbols of another organization??!? I assume that at parties during your college years no one ever wore shirts that had names and symbols from the various groups hosting these events??

Hmmm.....that would be odd!

All I can say is that regardless of the "rules" your touting here, I am just going to assume that the OPs brother was not out robbing banks, or getting drunk or acting like an ass out in public to where someone would say "hey, that person who is wearing that Delta Gamma tie tack is a bad person....."

I have a real problem here when there are members of organizations who disgrace their own organization with their actions and often times are wearing letters or other insignia......

I agree with the poster....get a life some of you and stop harrassing people who merely ask questions...... This is supposed to be a place of discussion not attacks!!

CS1869

Originally Posted by corkscrew1869 (Post 2140312)

Ok, so all of you who are "holier than thou" and keep trying to quote policy....I can assume that NONE of you EVER wore ANYThInG that bore the name or symbols of another organization??!? I assume that at parties during your college years no one ever wore shirts that had names and symbols from the various groups hosting these events??

Hmmm.....that would be odd!

All I can say is that regardless of the "rules" your touting here, I am just going to assume that the OPs brother was not out robbing banks, or getting drunk or acting like an ass out in public to where someone would say "hey, that person who is wearing that Delta Gamma tie tack is a bad person....."

I have a real problem here when there are members of organizations who disgrace their own organization with their actions and often times are wearing letters or other insignia......

I agree with the poster....get a life some of you and stop harrassing people who merely ask questions...... This is supposed to be a place of discussion not attacks!!

CS1869

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 2140322)

Love the Gollum image!

Checking to see if I care about Gollum's opinion - nope.

Grammatical errors - yes. But where are the smilies? :) :confused: :eek: :rolleyes: :cool: ;)

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 2140323)

TE or the badge guy?

Originally Posted by corkscrew1869 (Post 2140312)

Ok, so all of you who are "holier than thou" and keep trying to quote policy....I can assume that NONE of you EVER wore ANYThInG that bore the name or symbols of another organization??!? I assume that at parties during your college years no one ever wore shirts that had names and symbols from the various groups hosting these events??

Hmmm.....that would be odd!

All I can say is that regardless of the "rules" your touting here, I am just going to assume that the OPs brother was not out robbing banks, or getting drunk or acting like an ass out in public to where someone would say "hey, that person who is wearing that Delta Gamma tie tack is a bad person....."

I have a real problem here when there are members of organizations who disgrace their own organization with their actions and often times are wearing letters or other insignia......

I agree with the poster....get a life some of you and stop harrassing people who merely ask questions...... This is supposed to be a place of discussion not attacks!!

CS1869

Originally Posted by Greek_or_Geek? (Post 2140319)

Says the person who gleefully snatches historically significant badges of other organizations so he can sit alone in a darkened room, stroking them like some badge obsessed Gollum.

Why didn't you post this with one of your other IDs? Oh wait. Never mind. Those have been banned for abusing other members.

Originally Posted by corkscrew1869 (Post 2140339)

Not really, if those shirts have the crest or other insignia of the organization as well....according to the constitutions of most organizations the use of the symbols is restricted to members only. I guess that would also go for anything else, such as novelties and whatnot........

The wearing of jewelry too usually ONLY pertains to the organizations' badges or member pins. Not other jewelry, because many of the sororities have things that Mothers can wear and fraternities often times have sweetheart pins or items. If a member gives one of these items to a loved one to wear then are they breaking the rules of non members wearing jewelry?

CS1869

Originally Posted by bevinpiphi (Post 2140347)

None of the philanthropy shirts I've had have ever had the crest. They've had letters or the name written out. I'll ask my friend who is on Sig Chi's alum board on my campus...what would you be more offended by, me wearing your Derby Days shirt or a crest pin?

And, yes, they would be breaking the rules. The rules do not change because "Oh, it's a loved one." I wouldn't (and couldn't, by Pi Phi's rules), give my fiance my badge to wear. He is not a member. I did, however, give my mother an allowed mother's pin.

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 2140377)

I didn't "try" to quote policy. I did. Delta Gamma's policy is quite clear about using the crest on anything. It is to be used by initiated members only. As the crest is theirs - legally and ethically - that should be the last word.

Originally Posted by corkscrew1869 (Post 2140418)

Ok, I concede this conversation. Its actually not that important anyway.....each group and each member can make decisions on their own.

Have a good day.

CS1869

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 2140377)

I didn't "try" to quote policy. I did. Delta Gamma's policy is quite clear about using the crest on anything. It is to be used by initiated members only. As the crest is theirs - legally and ethically - that should be the last word.

Originally Posted by corkscrew1869 (Post 2140412)

So says the Gamma Phi Beta member.......

Originally Posted by corkscrew1869 (Post 2140418)

Ok, I concede this conversation. Its actually not that important anyway.....each group and each member can make decisions on their own...

Originally Posted by corkscrew1869 (Post 2140412)

So says the Gamma Phi Beta member.......

Originally Posted by Titchou (Post 2140446)

And I, a Delta Gamma, had already said that as well. SWTX Belle just verified it. And who would go to a cemetery at night to bury a pin at anyone's grave???? And how did he get in? Aren't most locked at night? And if his MS is that bad, and I know people who have it very bad, I doubt he could get down on hands and knees, dig a deep enough hole and bury it. Obviously a genetic code issue in that family....

Originally Posted by AzTheta (Post 2140543)

Random thought: do some of the posts in this thread give anyone else the creeps? Digging in the dirt to bury a piece of jewelry? At NIGHT? What??? *shudder* (I crashed a car in a cemetery once upon a time. It was sort of an accident, sort of. That belongs in another thread. The one about getting in big trouble.)

And, the part of me that loves vintage fraternity and sorority jewelry is all like *sad face* that a piece of jewelry that might be actually cherished by a Delta Gamma is in the dirt. That is not right. What if someone comes along with a metal detector? Or a bird digs it up, or a raccoon? or some other critter? Like, here it would be a pack rat that would get it for sure; they love shiny objects. And -

oh, nevermind.

Originally Posted by Titchou (Post 2140563)

This was a large part of my problem with it as well. As for it maybe being a small town cemetery, she said he lives in Denver so I assumed it was a larger one that would be locked. Maybe it was smaller. But burying it??? Ugh! I am even more distressed over this family.

Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2140420)

Who the fuck is this person?

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 2140677)

I forget his original handle, but he is a badge collector who used to post pretty heavily in the badge trends thread. And yes he is Greek.

Originally Posted by Greek_or_Geek? (Post 2140327)

The badge guy aka chrysoloras, lleduc and God knows what other alts he uses.

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 2140677)

I forget his original handle, but he is a badge collector who used to post pretty heavily in the badge trends thread. And yes he is Greek.

Originally Posted by GTAlphaPhi (Post 2140699)

Originally Posted by Greek_or_Geek? (Post 2140700)

Yes, that is who it is. You will not find posts under those names though unless he was QFPed since he keeps getting banned for harassing members. Now he is harassing me via private message. Jerk.

Originally Posted by corkscrew1869 (Post 2140788)

Harassing?? No, I never harassed any members. My belief was that my prior IDs were banned because I had offered items to members and the AdMins considered this "selling"

wehatever........