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IndianaSigKap 02-13-2012 02:54 PM

I feel badly for her daughter. She's 19, lost her mom, dad is Bobby Brown who's on tour right now, had some issues of her own. I hope she has family members who will be able to provide some stability and support for her now and in the future.

knight_shadow 02-13-2012 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap (Post 2125216)
I feel badly for her daughter. She's 19, lost her mom, dad is Bobby Brown who's on tour right now, had some issues of her own. I hope she has family members who will be able to provide some stability and support for her now and in the future.

Clarification - She's 18 and Bobby is in LA with her as of 9 last night

steveg 02-13-2012 04:46 PM

DEKEGUY, agree!

Do we hold a person with talent to high?

They are just people like each of us and have the sme problems we do.

No matter what, it is such a sad time to lose a person like Whitney.

RIP Baby Girl. You had a good run, but also a tough time!

Munchkin03 02-13-2012 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by steveg (Post 2125280)
DEKEGUY, agree!

Do we hold a person with talent to high?

They are just people like each of us and have the sme problems we do.

No matter what, it is such a sad time to lose a person like Whitney.

RIP Baby Girl. You had a good run, but also a tough time!

Really, Tom Earp?

agzg 02-13-2012 04:49 PM

I was going to commend him for flying under the radar so long but it looks like he was sniffed out within a few posts.

Cen1aur 1963 02-13-2012 05:09 PM

RIP. Another legend gone.

steveg 02-13-2012 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 2125282)
Really, Tom Earp?

What ever you may think?

Giving my deepest wishes to a neat lady?

She will of course be missed.

Is there a problem with that?

I am trying to figure out what is wrong with some of you folks.

Cen1aur 1963 02-13-2012 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by steveg (Post 2125307)
I am trying to figure out what is wrong with some of you folks.

CTFU @ you trying to figure out what's wrong with usernames.

Cen1aur 1963 02-13-2012 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 2125282)
Really, Tom Earp?

Who is Tom Earp?

christiangirl 02-13-2012 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg (Post 2125119)
I think there's a difference between making someone a saint and vilifying someone because of their addictions. I would imagine CG's referring to the folks that are saying she doesn't deserve to be mourned because she "brought it on herself."

For two reasons: Still don't know yet the role drug use played in her death, AND such statements show a profound misunderstanding of addiction as an illness.

Exactly. It doesn't matter how she died, statements like "Who cares she dead?? It's her own fault, she brought this on herself" are just flat out rude. She wasn't a saint but she was a person. She was someone's mother, daughter, and friend. To say she doesn't deserve to be mourned is totally unwarranted. This would be true even if she wasn't "The Late, Great Whitney Houston."

Leslie Anne 02-13-2012 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dekeguy (Post 2125191)
I agree that we should mourn the passing of a substantial talent and have deep sympathy for her, but I am somewhat taken aback by the volume and extent of praise and adulation heaped upon someone who misused drugs and alcohol to such an extent that she instrumental in her own death.

The volume exists simply because many people have heard of her. That's kind of a no-brainer. As for the extent of praise and adulation, I challenge you to find a single post that praised her lifestyle and her use of drugs and alcohol.
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Originally Posted by dekeguy (Post 2125191)
I would suggest that we pray for her, as I did when I heard the news, and then try to view this as a cautionary tale that there are consequences to acts of self destruction. Responsibility attends one's actions.
Sincere sympathy - yes! Prayers - yes! Praise and adulation - somewhat inappropriate.
Let us remember her, let us feel for her, but at the end of the day perhaps praise and adulation are more appropriate to someone a bit more like Mother Theresa of Calcutta.

Now, considering that I believe absolutely in the infinite mercy of Our Lord I am confident that Ms. Houston, along with Mother Theresa, is safely home with Our Lord in Heaven. So, no I am not playing the awful game of holier than thou. I am saying that one can have love and sympathy for her without holding her up as a role model to be emulated.

Yes you are. It was the entire reason for your post.

33girl 02-13-2012 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PM_Mama00 (Post 2124915)
Some people are mentioning that she should be a role model for leaving Bobby Brown.

WHAAAAAT????? These must be the same idiots who said that Sandra Bullock was "the most admired woman in the entertainment industry" because that trailer trash Jesse James dumped HER.

dekeguy 02-13-2012 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Leslie Anne (Post 2125445)
The volume exists simply because many people have heard of her. That's kind of a no-brainer. As for the extent of praise and adulation, I challenge you to find a single post that praised her lifestyle and her use of drugs and alcohol.


Yes you are. It was the entire reason for your post.

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Ah, my dear Leslie Anne, it has been so long since you rose to the occasion that I thought you might have grown up at long last. Since any attempt to discuss anything with you in a calm and rational manner simply isn't on the cards I won't waste my time. Have a happy St. Valentine's Day.

Greek_or_Geek? 02-13-2012 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by steveg (Post 2125307)
What ever you may think?

Giving my deepest wishes to a neat lady?

She will of course be missed.

Is there a problem with that?

I am trying to figure out what is wrong with some of you folks.

This looks like bad haiku written by a comatose chicken.

PM_Mama00 02-14-2012 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steveg (Post 2125307)
What ever you may think?

Giving my deepest wishes to a neat lady?

She will of course be missed.

Is there a problem with that?

I am trying to figure out what is wrong with some of you folks.

EARP ALERT!

ASUADPi 02-14-2012 08:53 PM

I'm just over hearing about it every five minutes during the morning news. Is there nothing else going on in the world that you must cover her death every five minutes? Really did something happen in those five minutes that you must immediately report.

KSUViolet06 02-15-2012 04:25 PM

TMZ is reporting that Whitney's family doesn't want Bobby to attend Whitney's funeral. WTF?

christiangirl 02-15-2012 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 2126033)
TMZ is reporting that Whitney's family doesn't want Bobby to attend Whitney's funeral. WTF?

Really? I didn't hear that though I did hear that they wanted a private ceremony and fans are flipping their stuff about it. For goodness' sake, her whole life was on display for over 30 years. The family has every right to say goodbye privately.

knight_shadow 02-15-2012 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 2126033)
TMZ is reporting that Whitney's family doesn't want Bobby to attend Whitney's funeral. WTF?

If that's true, I think that's a bit much. They were together for many years and had a child together. I think he deserves to say his final goodbyes.

Of course, this is completely their call.

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Originally Posted by christiangirl (Post 2126044)
Really? I didn't hear that though I did hear that they wanted a private ceremony and fans are flipping their stuff about it. For goodness' sake, her whole life was on display for over 30 years. The family has every right to say goodbye privately.

I think that people were expecting something because of MJ. His life was in the spotlight longer than hers, but they had a public and a private ceremony.

Folks will get over it, but I get where they're coming from.

christiangirl 02-15-2012 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2126048)
If that's true, I think that's a bit much. They were together for many years and had a child together. I think he deserves to say his final goodbyes.

Of course, this is completely their call.



I think that people were expecting something because of MJ. His life was in the spotlight longer than hers, but they had a public and a private ceremony.

Folks will get over it, but I get where they're coming from.

I agree with all of the above. @the bold, I get it, too, but that's still a really entitled stance to take. There's a difference between thinking it would be nice if the family did something public and actually being angry that they are choosing to not.

TonyB06 02-15-2012 05:37 PM

I've read that the family was/is considering some sort of live feed to people outside the church who may gather at the time of service. If that happens, it's highly likely that CNN and others (certainly BET, TVOne) would carry that.

Regarding Bobby, I think he'll be there if only because he's Bobbi Christina's surviving parent and the family will put that above whatever other concerns they might or might have had.

....just imagining the grief they're dealing with, I give a pass to whatever decision they make, whether I agree with it or not.

33girl 02-15-2012 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 2126033)
TMZ is reporting that Whitney's family doesn't want Bobby to attend Whitney's funeral. WTF?

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. I think they would like to believe/pretend he was an aberration in her life, when probably nothing could be further from the truth.

This is not trashing her, just saying that IMO pressure to be the perfect pop princess probably played a big part in her drug use. I was saying the other night that Christina Aguilera is one smart cookie. She was being marketed in a way that was not her, so she jumped off the train and smashed the image. She may have saved her own life by doing so.

KSUViolet06 02-15-2012 10:26 PM

^^^Right. Did it hurt her career to change the image? Probably. Is it hard to find your place when you're not that girl anymore? Yeah. But I think it was worth it to her in the end (as she now has the kind of career she WANTS to have, rather than based on some image that doesn't fit her.)

knight_shadow 02-15-2012 10:33 PM

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/...0-%20copia.jpg

You two hush your mouth about Ms Aguilera.

33girl 02-15-2012 10:57 PM

Dude, we're COMPLIMENTING that little wifey of yours.

knight_shadow 02-15-2012 11:17 PM

I saw "hurt her career" and got defensive. Gotta stick up for the wife, ya know?

*goes back to listening to Dirrty*

christiangirl 02-16-2012 01:15 AM

I was babysitting and the 6-month-old was kicking my behind. She drank all the milk her mom left and got pissed when there was no more. I walked with her, bounced her, gave her the pacifier, and sang every lullaby I know but no good. She screamed for almost an hour and I was running out of ideas. So I broke out in a soft, lullaby-like rendition of "I Will Always Love You."

She calmed almost immediately. Thank you, Whitney.

SWTXBelle 02-16-2012 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by christiangirl (Post 2126170)
I was babysitting and the 6-month-old was kicking my behind. She drank all the milk her mom left and got pissed when there was no more. I walked with her, bounced her, gave her the pacifier, and sang every lullaby I know but no good. She screamed for almost an hour and I was running out of ideas. So I broke out in a soft, lullaby-like rendition of "I Will Always Love You."

She calmed almost immediately. Thank you, Whitney.

You mean thank you, Dolly Parton. ;)

PM_Mama00 02-16-2012 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 2126179)
You mean thank you, Dolly Parton. ;)

Yep!

Kevin 02-16-2012 10:26 AM

I don't really get the time and attention devoted to celebrity. Can someone tell me why anyone really GAS about who is or isn't allowed to come to the funeral of a dead person who was [really] good at singing? What is your emotional connection to this person who you saw on TV and heard recordings of and never met or knew beyond what you read in the tabloids?

If it's about being sad that you'll miss her future output, let's be honest. Her voice wasn't what it once was and she was a hopeless addict making a living on [badly] singing the same songs she sang 20 years ago.

I don't recall even Steve Jobs' funeral arrangements getting this sort of hype. Maybe it's about Sony maximizing some last minute profit on record sales?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/e...w/11913702.cms

I just don't get it and never will.

AnchorAlumna 02-16-2012 12:30 PM

My theory is a lot depends on who is controlling the news.
The people now controlling it (meaning TV news directors, editors etc) are from the generation who grew up with Whitney commanding the pop charts. That, plus the fact of her dramatic decline over the years, informs what they choose to put on the air.
Add that to instant news - the news was out minutes after she drew her last breath - plus our innate tendency to not be able to tear our eyes away from a train wreck - and you have the TMZ TV show reporting, with each person's opinion, every detail.

christiangirl 02-16-2012 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 2126179)
You mean thank you, Dolly Parton. ;)

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Originally Posted by PM_Mama00 (Post 2126181)
Yep!

Nope. I did the Whitney version so she gets the shout out. Dolly's original sounds different. :)

33girl 02-16-2012 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2126187)
I don't really get the time and attention devoted to celebrity. Can someone tell me why anyone really GAS about who is or isn't allowed to come to the funeral of a dead person who was [really] good at singing? What is your emotional connection to this person who you saw on TV and heard recordings of and never met or knew beyond what you read in the tabloids?

That's easy. Her songs (one in particular) were playing at memorable times of my life. They probably added to the memorable-ness of it. It makes me sad that a person who contributed to my life, even in a very peripheral way, even though she didn't know that she did it, is gone.

The fact that you even referenced Steve Jobs apparently means he played some similar part in your life.

If you don't understand that I don't know what else I can tell you. :rolleyes:

KSig RC 02-16-2012 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2126187)
I don't really get the time and attention devoted to celebrity. Can someone tell me why anyone really GAS about who is or isn't allowed to come to the funeral of a dead person who was [really] good at singing? What is your emotional connection to this person who you saw on TV and heard recordings of and never met or knew beyond what you read in the tabloids?

If it's about being sad that you'll miss her future output, let's be honest. Her voice wasn't what it once was and she was a hopeless addict making a living on [badly] singing the same songs she sang 20 years ago.

I don't recall even Steve Jobs' funeral arrangements getting this sort of hype. Maybe it's about Sony maximizing some last minute profit on record sales?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/e...w/11913702.cms

I just don't get it and never will.

It's essentially cognitive dissonance made real - the dissonance between everyday life and celebrity culture (plus celebrities' actions and our own, plus the time we spend on it versus the value it actually provides) becomes outrageously powerful when a celebrity dies.

Kevin 02-16-2012 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2126221)
The fact that you even referenced Steve Jobs apparently means he played some similar part in your life.

I wasn't particularly affected by Jobs. I was just throwing out an example of someone who had an ongoing contribution to society and was felled by an illness which wasn't preventable (whereas addiction is very preventable and treatable). Jobs' contribution to society was measurably more than Houston's, but my Apple stock has continued to be a great investment, so his death wasn't a big deal after all.

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If you don't understand that I don't know what else I can tell you. :rolleyes:
Yeah, I don't get it.

Kevin 02-16-2012 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 2126227)
It's essentially cognitive dissonance made real - the dissonance between everyday life and celebrity culture (plus celebrities' actions and our own, plus the time we spend on it versus the value it actually provides) becomes outrageously powerful when a celebrity dies.

That's a perfectly rational explanation. I don't really get the celebrity culture or why anyone accepts it, but they do. There is certainly nothing innately virtuous about it, and as you illustrated, it's pretty irrational.

Cen1aur 1963 02-16-2012 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2126236)
That's a perfectly rational explanation. I don't really get the celebrity culture or why anyone accepts it, but they do. There is certainly nothing innately virtuous about it, and as you illustrated, it's pretty irrational.

Folks accept it because it's entertainment. Folks like celebrity gossip/entertainment, especially if it's negative (lies or truth).

knight_shadow 02-16-2012 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2126221)
That's easy. Her songs (one in particular) were playing at memorable times of my life. They probably added to the memorable-ness of it. It makes me sad that a person who contributed to my life, even in a very peripheral way, even though she didn't know that she did it, is gone.

The fact that you even referenced Steve Jobs apparently means he played some similar part in your life.

If you don't understand that I don't know what else I can tell you. :rolleyes:

Yep.

Singers usually provide the soundtracks to folks' lives (ex. I love XYZ because she was on the radio when I had my first kiss). Of course, this is going to cause people to get attached to them.

If (general) YOU don't have a connection to the artists, that's fine, but we can't discount their contributions to entertainment. The Beatles were before my time, so while I wouldn't flip tables and take off of work when McCartney passes away, I'll understand if others are upset.

I was also thinking about something else recently. I'm 27, so MJ and Whitney (among others) have been constants in my life (as long as I can remember, MJ and Whitney have been around). With their deaths, it's making me feel like I'm "closer to death" (if that makes sense), which is a bit of a downer.

christiangirl 02-16-2012 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2126274)
I was also thinking about something else recently. I'm 27, so MJ and Whitney (among others) have been constants in my life (as long as I can remember, MJ and Whitney have been around). With their deaths, it's making me feel like I'm "closer to death" (if that makes sense), which is a bit of a downer.

Ditto. Seeing people who have been "present" my ENTIRE life die trips me out. I remember watching the world premiere of the "Remember the Time" video when I was 7. To think that MJ is no longer living (even though he died younger than most) is a huge reminder of how much of my life has passed and how much older I am. Time is precious and that loss made me more aware of how fast it's going. In that vein, it's also trippy seeing people close to my parents' age or younger die. It makes me more aware that my time with them is limited as well. :(

When I think of Whitney, I remember watching The Preacher's Wife with my mom, dancing to her music with my friends, etc. So it does feel a little bit like a personal loss because Whitney was "there" in those intimate moments.

AnchorAlumna 02-16-2012 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 2126179)
You mean thank you, Dolly Parton. ;)

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Originally Posted by christiangirl (Post 2126218)
Nope. I did the Whitney version so she gets the shout out. Dolly's original sounds different. :)

Dolly wrote the song.;)


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