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Cen1aur 1963 01-12-2012 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Ghostwriter (Post 2117272)
This is probably the stupidest thing posted on this thread so far. Many of us didn't vote for Obama because of his policies and left leaning ideology. Color of skin had nothing to do with it. I would vote for West, Cain, Watts, Keyes, Rubio or any person who believes as I do.
Actually dude, I don't give a fuck who you voted for. A lot of white folks didn't vote for him based on his skin color and his skin color alone. So shut the shit up telling me my post was stupid.

DrPhil 01-12-2012 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Cen1aur 1963 (Post 2117298)
Actually dude, I don't give a fuck who you voted for. A lot of white folks didn't vote for him based on his skin color and his skin color alone. So shut the shit up telling me my post was stupid.
Your post was stupid. Not because it is untrue that there are whites who refused to vote for a Black candidate but because the preface of your post was that Psi U MC Vito is white. You were wrong.

knight_shadow 01-12-2012 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2117292)
I think Ghostwriter was speaking for himself.
I was commenting on...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostwriter (Post 2117272)
Many of us didn't vote for Obama because of his policies and left leaning ideology. Color of skin had nothing to do with it.

Cen1aur 1963 01-12-2012 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2117305)
Your post was stupid. Not because it is untrue that there are whites who refused to vote for a Black candidate but because the preface of your post was that Psi U MC Vito is white. You were wrong.
I was wrong on that issue and I apologize to dude for assuming, but to come at me and tell me my post was stupid wasn't necessary. There are certain ways to respond to folks. If dude talks shit to me, it will get dealt right back. Fuck that.

knight_shadow 01-12-2012 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Cen1aur 1963 (Post 2117309)
I was wrong on that issue and I apologize to dude for assuming, but to come at me and tell me my post was stupid wasn't necessary. There are certain ways to respond to folks. If dude talks shit to me, it will get dealt right back. Fuck that.
Psi U MC Vito didn't respond to you at all. You initiated the conversation with him...

DrPhil 01-12-2012 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Ghostwriter (Post 2117296)
We all know there are exceptions to every case. There are always outliers in every demographic.
You consider that exceptions and outliers. I do not.

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Originally Posted by Ghostwriter (Post 2117296)
Wonder what the Kappas and Omegas would have done if Cain had won the Republican nomination? Food for thought.
Why is that food for thought? Think about why YOU think that is food for thought. There is something embedded in the mere suggestion that this would be food for thought.

What is embedded in that suggestion makes your "exceptions" and "outliers" no longer so, including for yourself.

DrPhil 01-12-2012 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Cen1aur 1963 (Post 2117309)
I was wrong on that issue and I apologize to dude for assuming....
The End.

AlphaFrog 01-12-2012 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Cen1aur 1963 (Post 2117309)
I was wrong on that issue and I apologize to dude for assuming, but to come at me and tell me my post was stupid wasn't necessary.There are certain ways to respond to folks. If dude talks shit to me, it will get dealt right back. Fuck that.
All the pot/kettle irony here, and me without my cyberfood. *Sigh*

DrPhil 01-12-2012 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2117307)
I was commenting on...
I totally missed the "many of us." LOL. My bad.

"Many of us" are..."many of us" are not...this is one of those topics where every side of the issue has "many of us."

Senusret I 01-12-2012 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Ghostwriter (Post 2117296)
Wonder what the Kappas and Omegas would have done if Cain had won the Republican nomination? Food for thought.
Nobody has won the Republican nomination yet, first of all. Secondly, they would have done the same thing because they are Obama supporters.

Your food for thought does not nourish me.

knight_shadow 01-12-2012 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 2117323)
Your food for thought does not nourish me.
:)

Cen1aur 1963 01-12-2012 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2117311)
Psi U MC Vito didn't respond to you at all. You initiated the conversation with him...
I feel you and I was wrong. I already admitted to that, with an apology.

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog (Post 2117317)
All the pot/kettle irony here, and me without my cyberfood. *Sigh*
Girl please, the same thing applies to you, with some of the disrespectful shit you've posted to me.

DrPhil 01-12-2012 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 2117323)
Nobody has won the Republican nomination yet, first of all. Secondly, they would have done the same thing because they are Obama supporters.

Your food for thought does not nourish me.
:eek: Au contraire, fellow Black person, 1911 United would obviously be befuddled and perplexed because they were clearly desperate to find a Black person...ANY Black person to support...with TWO Black people to support...whattado?! Whattado?! If Herman Cain was still running and eventually won the Republic nomination (he was never a viable candidate and is no longer running, but let's humor Ghostwriter since he wanted some food for thought), there would be a Black folks riot in the streets as Blacks struggled to process such a Black-on-Black crime. Clearly, the fact that 1911 United are not only supporters of President Obama but probably staunch Democrats would not matter. Having a Black GOP candidate would ruin the equation.

Like Beyonce said, 1 + 1 = 2. :eek: What do Black folks do when there are 2?! 2?! 2222222222222....*echo*

DrPhil 01-12-2012 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2117327)
:)
Some of us see the irony in Ghostwriter's food for thought. :)

For those who do not see the irony, it is humorous to claim that race and ethnicity are not a factor for "many of us," and that it is only the exception, but then to offer food for thought that implies the exact opposite.

MysticCat 01-12-2012 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 2117323)
Your food for thought does not nourish me.
Definitely quotable.

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2117330)
Some of us see the irony in Ghostwriter's food for thought. :)

For those who do not see the irony, it is humorous to claim that race and ethnicity are not a factor for "many of us," and that it is only the exception, but then to offer food for thought that implies the exact opposite.
Well, it doesn't imply the exact opposite -- methinks the food for thought was about "many of them," not "many of us."

DrPhil 01-12-2012 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2117337)
Well, it doesn't imply the exact opposite -- methinks the food for thought was about "many of them," not "many of us."
That food for thought was about Ghostwriter's own assumptions. His own assumptions makes it about him and not about them.

amIblue? 01-12-2012 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2117026)
Thanks to 1911 United for bringing so many issues to the forefront:

1. Obama is Black but is that why some people support him?
2. Sarah Palin may not be "like me."
3. Democrats and Republicans have stinky feet.
Should we add to the list

4. Psi U MC Vito is not white

DrPhil 01-12-2012 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by amIblue? (Post 2117346)
Should we add to the list

4. Psi U MC Vito is not white
Yes and also add:

5. Race and ethnicity of candidates does not matter to "many of us" but it conveniently matters to "many of us...I mean, them."

DubaiSis 01-12-2012 03:19 PM
Straying out of my lane (being white and having voted for a black guy), the whole Cain thing just made me laugh. I worked for Godfather's in college and since leftover pizza kept me from starving to death I do have a certain warm spot for them. But that being said, the guy was, well, not good enough to be president. There is a subset of the Democrats who would have voted for Obama even if all the ridiculous things said about him WERE true, but the reverse is not true between Cain and the Republicans. Even if none of the stuff said about him were true, he'd only have the "vote for the black guy regardless" caucus and the goofy tax plan caucus among the Republicans. And after those 5 people who do you have?

DrPhil 01-12-2012 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DubaiSis (Post 2117366)
Even if none of the stuff said about him were true, he'd only have the "vote for the black guy regardless" caucus and the goofy tax plan caucus among the Republicans. And after those 5 people who do you have?
I do not understand what this means in terms of what Ghostwriter is talking about.

DeltaBetaBaby 01-12-2012 04:57 PM
If black voters want to support a candidate whose policies are good for the black community, or who has a proven track record of working for the black community, or whatever, of course it makes sense to do so. In the case of Obama, he also happens to be black himself.

Trey_P-I_47 01-13-2012 12:40 PM
I would say Ron Paul has a much better plan to help the black community than Obama ever dreamed of. Who can refute that fact when RP wants to get rid of all of the non violent prisoners and the obvious fact that there are disproportionaly more blacks per population than any other race incarcerated. This would lend credence to the fact that this man wants to help, I mean obviously that policy would help all people, but certainly it would effect the black communities the quickest and most noticeably. And thats just one small issue where he is a better choice than Obama. Doing away with an income tax and abolishing the FED and the IRS = instantly more money to spend in your pocket again helping the poorest people first which again helps the black community. Just saying, skin color is irrelevant when another man has superior policy.

I predict Obama will lose to Ron Paul if there is a head to head match-up. Even a large portion of the black community will turn away from Obama for some sensible policies.

DrPhil 01-13-2012 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Trey_P-I_47 (Post 2117620)
I would say Ron Paul has a much better plan to help the black community than Obama ever dreamed of. Who can refute that fact when RP wants to get rid of all of the non violent prisoners and the obvious fact that there are disproportionaly more blacks per population than any other race incarcerated. This would lend credence to the fact that this man wants to help, I mean obviously that policy would help all people, but certainly it would effect the black communities the quickest and most noticeably. And thats just one small issue where he is a better choice than Obama. Doing away with an income tax and abolishing the FED and the IRS = instantly more money to spend in your pocket again helping the poorest people first which again helps the black community. Just saying, skin color is irrelevant when another man has superior policy.

I predict Obama will lose to Ron Paul if there is a head to head match-up. Even a large portion of the black community will turn away from Obama for some sensible policies.
Are you high or sarcastic?

amIblue? 01-13-2012 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2117652)
Are you high or sarcastic?
I vote A.

Lost 100 lbs smoking pot. BWHAHAHAHAHA!

Ghostwriter 01-16-2012 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2117312)
You consider that exceptions and outliers. I do not.

Why is that food for thought? Think about why YOU think that is food for thought. There is something embedded in the mere suggestion that this would be food for thought.

What is embedded in that suggestion makes your "exceptions" and "outliers" no longer so, including for yourself.
So?

Go back to your kitty litter box. Not going to play with you.

DrPhil 01-16-2012 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Ghostwriter (Post 2118450)
So?

Go back to your kitty litter box. Not going to play with you.
Shut up, bitch.

alphatausc 01-16-2012 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2118452)
Shut up, bitch.
Doctor, doctor, doctor. *Shakes head*.

Ghostwriter 01-16-2012 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2117337)
Well, it doesn't imply the exact opposite -- methinks the food for thought was about "many of them," not "many of us."
My food for thought is about what the Kappas and Omegas would do. The article seemed to imply that they were supporting Obama because he was black. There is no or very little mention of his policies. So if Cain had run against him what would they (Kappas and Omegas) do? You would now have a person in a position to be the second black president.

I would vote for Cain in a heartbeat.

knight_shadow 01-16-2012 04:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostwriter (Post 2118459)
My food for thought is about what the Kappas and Omegas would do. The article seemed to imply that they were supporting Obama because he was black. There is no or very little mention of his policies. So if Cain had run against him what would they (Kappas and Omegas) do? You would now have a person in a position to be the second black president.

I would vote for Cain in a heartbeat.
What part of the site asks people to vote because he's black?

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The mission of 1911 United is to invigorate the electorate across all 12 battleground states to not only take responsibility for educating themselves on the electoral process, but to also encourage all who will listen to re-elect the President of the United States, Barack Obama. Yes, our goals include registering millions of voters. Yes, our goals include recruiting an army of volunteers for President Obama. However, our primary objective in this endeavor is to simply educate voters on the issues most pressing to their financial, social, educational, and occupational outlooks. People need to know who they are voting for and why. People need to be abreast of pertinent issues that will affect our children for years to come. This is why Ques and the Nupes have partnered up to spearhead a new movement for our country, an educationally uplifting and powerful movement. We need YOUR help. Are you in? I’m in!
The article says that the group is looking to get more AAs registered to vote, but that has nothing to do with 1911 United. Most (if not all) of the NPHC organizations take part in civic engagement within the AA community on a regular basis.

Ghostwriter 01-16-2012 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2118452)
Shut up, bitch.
Not going to you Oswald Bates wanna be.

DrPhil 01-16-2012 04:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostwriter (Post 2118459)
My food for thought is about what the Kappas and Omegas would do. The article seemed to imply that they were supporting Obama because he was black. There is no or very little mention of his policies. So if Cain had run against him what would they (Kappas and Omegas) do? You would now have a person in a position to be the second black president.
Well, kitty litter, being Black is not the only thing that counts. So, again, why is this food for your thought?

DrPhil 01-16-2012 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Ghostwriter (Post 2118463)
....Oswald Bates wanna be.
Interesting.

DrPhil 01-16-2012 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2118461)
What part of the site asks people to vote because he's black?
That was Ghostwriter's food for thought because race is less the exception than Ghostwriter wanted to admit.

knight_shadow 01-16-2012 04:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2118467)
That was Ghostwriter's food for thought because race is less the exception than than Ghostwriter wanted to admit.
Well, I was trying to get a specific example based on:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostwriter (Post 2118459)
The article seemed to imply that they were supporting Obama because he was black.

amIblue? 01-16-2012 04:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostwriter (Post 2118450)
So?

Go back to your kitty litter box. Not going to play with you.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostwriter (Post 2118459)
My food for thought is about what the Kappas and Omegas would do. The article seemed to imply that they were supporting Obama because he was black. There is no or very little mention of his policies. So if Cain had run against him what would they (Kappas and Omegas) do? You would now have a person in a position to be the second black president.

I would vote for Cain in a heartbeat.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostwriter (Post 2118463)
Not going to you Oswald Bates wanna be.
Wait. What?

You're not making sense, even for a Cain supporter.

Ghostwriter 01-16-2012 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2118461)
What part of the site asks people to vote because he's black?
From the first post:

"From there, the two members of each fraternity gave birth to the idea of creating an organization to assist in the re-election efforts of our first African American President, President Barack Obama."

I am still looking for references in these articles to all the great policies he has instituted. But I see very little, if any. If I am wrong, I apologize. It just seemed, to me, that the emphasis was on the fact that he was the first African American President and not on any of his policies. Hence my question about Cain. Who would they support if there are two African Americans running against each other? Maybe not a fair question because it won't happen but it seemed interesting to me.

DrPhil 01-16-2012 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2118468)
Well, I was trying to get a specific example based on:
;) It is not on the website. It is Ghostwriter's assumption that race primarily matters to "them" which means race matters to Ghostwriter more than he was willing to admit.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostwriter (Post 2118474)
Hence my question about Cain. Who would they support if there are two African Americans running against each other? Maybe not a fair question because it won't happen but it seemed interesting to me.
Here is food for Ghostwriter's thought:

There were Black Presidential hopefuls in the past who did not receive much support from many African Americans across political parties. Herman Cain would be no exception. Cain was not considered a viable GOP hopeful by most Republicans, let alone Democrats; and Cain was not supported by most African-Americans. So, don't have a brain fart over this, why would 1911 United be confused as to whether to support President Obama or Herman Cain?

knight_shadow 01-16-2012 05:16 PM
From my post earlier (copied directly from the organization's site):

Quote:
The mission of 1911 United is to invigorate the electorate across all 12 battleground states to not only take responsibility for educating themselves on the electoral process, but to also encourage all who will listen to re-elect the President of the United States, Barack Obama. Yes, our goals include registering millions of voters. Yes, our goals include recruiting an army of volunteers for President Obama. However, our primary objective in this endeavor is to simply educate voters on the issues most pressing to their financial, social, educational, and occupational outlooks. People need to know who they are voting for and why. People need to be abreast of pertinent issues that will affect our children for years to come. This is why Ques and the Nupes have partnered up to spearhead a new movement for our country, an educationally uplifting and powerful movement. We need YOUR help. Are you in? I’m in!
Hopefully this is not your objective, but it seems as if you're implying that AA citizens will ONLY vote because the candidate is black and that we'll somehow get "confused" if there were 2 opposing black candidates. Why can't 1911 United be a group supporting the democratic party?

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As a S/N: I think the emphasis is on "We need black citizens to register to vote for our President" as opposed to "We need citizens to register to vote for our black President". To many AAs, "First black President" is an important distinction. This is just the group speaking to its target audience.

DrPhil 01-16-2012 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2118476)
Hopefully this is not your objective, but it seems as if you're implying that AA citizens will ONLY vote because the candidate is black and that we'll somehow get "confused" if there were 2 opposing black candidates. Why can't 1911 United be a group supporting the democratic party?
That goes back to my earlier post to Senusret I. Either Black folks across political parties will get confused or only 1911 United will get confused. Then 1911 United will work tirelessly to confuse the rest of the Black folks since Black folks are easily confused. Either way, confusion. LOL.

knight_shadow 01-16-2012 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2118478)
That goes back to my earlier post to Senusret I. Either Black folks across political parties will get confused or only 1911 United will get confused. Then 1911 United will work tirelessly to confuse the rest of the Black folks since Black folks are easily confused. Either way, confusion. LOL.
OK. I had to go back and find that post lol

Ghostwriter's insinuation was insulting, and I hope he wasn't intentionally implying that we couldn't favor a candidate and that we were only capable of voting for a race.

ETA: I wonder if that question would have been asked if Gamma Phi Beta and Alpha Phi (for example) joined forces to encourage votes for Senator Clinton over Sarah Palin.


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