You're talking about a different thread now.

In this thread, though, folks are talking about your comments re: NPC. The NPC is an entirely different animal, so it's best for NPC women to comment.

As far as your last sentence -- none of us are experts on everything, but it's really not your job to be. In NALFO and some NIC organizations, the aspirant is the one who needs to do the legwork, NOT an internet username.

I think you're making this into more than what it is. Just keep a lookout for NIC/IFC threads and give advice in those threads. Then, we can all live happily ever after.

Why do you assume that if people think this thread may shed more heat than light or that if people challenge what you're saying (for example, about sororities), they are "scared of people starting new chapters"? They may be concerned about people trying to start new chapters getting bad or irrelevant advice.

Meanwhile, I can't say I've seen any really rude responses in this thread.

No, it's really not a double standard. In the case of the other thread, the comments related to dealing with the Greek Life office (if there is one) or the school administration -- something all GLOs deal with regardless of council, umbrella group or type.

In this thread, the "stay in your lanes" came when you talked about the NPC not taking new members and "valid alternatives" to the NPC.

There is nothing wrong with having an opinion, but when you set yourself up as an expert on a public forum about something you don't know about (i.e., sororities NPC or otherwise), you better be ready for people to point it out to you. As this is America, as you so aptly pointed out, we are also entitled to tell you why your opinion is wrong. I don't believe anyone has been rude to you on this thread, unless being rude is telling you why you're wrong. When I say stay in your lane, that's about as politely as I can say shut up, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

I don't think that having a thread about how to start a GLO is a bad thing. That being said, your advice as to how to go about it, as several of us have pointed out to you in this thread and the other one, is wrong.

Post your email address away. Most people on GC have learned to PM that type of info. There have been some issues on GC with people giving away too much personal contact info online and some negative consequences in real life, but hey, it's your real life.

I don't believe any of us are threatened by new groups. Most of the NPC sororities in my neck of the woods are bursting at the seams and campi could use some new chapters to get the chapters back down to a manageable size. New groups coming onto campuses doesn't always work. Ask someone who knows about Arkansas to explain that one to you.

Again, as I sincerely wished you earlier, best of luck in your expansion efforts.

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No, it's really not a double standard. In the case of the other thread, the comments related to dealing with the Greek Life office (if there is one) or the school administration -- something all GLOs deal with regardless of council, umbrella group or type.


See, here you are incorrect. NIC's don't require there to be an IFC on campus in order to expand, if two NPC groups exist on a campus, they do. So that gives the men's groups more leeway in expansion. So, maybe you should "stay in your lane." As I have been advised so often.

I'm not upset you disagree with me AT ALL. Feel free to continue doing so.

I'm missing where MysticCat said anything about IFC. He said Greek life office. Even if there is no GL Office, it would fall under Student Activities or another similar department. Stop trying to nitpik to prove you're The Expert.

Also, I think Mystic Cat IS in your lane.

At least, he's not NPC.

Still all the hate AlphaFrog....I thought you were enjoying your ice cream.

I don't know why you feel you have to put me in my place on EVERY post. Is it just to prove you are smart? Ok, YOU are clearly THE Greek Life Expert. would you like a cash award?

This thread went in the direction that we all thought it would lol

Imagine that. ;)

And LOL about me being a Greek Life expert. Luckily, I don't advertise myself as one. That doesn't mean that I fell off the GC turnip truck yesterday, though.

I'm well aware of this, and I didn't say otherwise. I didn't mention the NIC IFCs. I said that all Greek groups have to deal with school administrations. That's true to some extent even for unrecognized chapters. (Though it's my understanding that what you say is not true of all NIC member orgs.)

But the bottom line is that anyone interested in starting a chapter of any org should find our first what their school's position would be.

Not quite. We're not NIC, but on some campuses, we are IFC. But as noted, I didn't say anything about either.

Yep.

You guys are all jumping down my throat for no reason. And really, I don't know what your goal was except to take this thread to this place where it is.

So I was told to "shut up" so I should sit in my lane. Just because I was a Past President of an NIC group doesn't mean my head was in the sand when dealing with other fraternities or sororities. The several tradegroups interact on a National Level (some such as NALFO, NPHC and NIC even overlap..most NALFO & NPHC fraternities are cross-members in the NIC), and in fact some NPC Executive Directors have even joined the FEA, the Fraternity Executives Association. The reason I, in the hypothetical example, suggested a non-NPC group if the NPC groups weren't ready for extension of a new organization is because a non-NPC group wouldn't typically (typically now, not in all circumstances), have to go through Panhellenic to get recognized. Those Sororities also offer a valid sorority experience with rituals and traditions as old as many of the NPC organizations.

I did say I have experience in Greek Life, I don't think that's a bad thing. I also don't think that it would be bad for you guys to share your input or experiences.

"Good luck with your expansion efforts?" I am not doing this as a way to promote my organization, just as a way to help people out who want to start a new group.

The reason I say, DON'T go to the school first is because the stock answer for many campuses when it comes to starting a Greek system is "no." So unless you have the interested group of students and some national backing behind you, it is very easy for a new campus administrator to brush off a student that goes to see them.

Yea, I put my fraternity email out on the other thread link. I'll live with the consequences.

No one is saying anyone fell off the turnip truck. However, Alpha Frog saying a man can't advise about sorority issues, is tantamount to reverse sexism. Does that mean that NPC groups don't allow male faculty advisers for their chapters? Just saying, that is the road it seems you guys are traveling down. I know several men who advise NPC groups.

There is a lot of similarity that exists, whether you choose to believe it or not, between the different Greek Organizations that are out there, and what those organizations have to deal with in regards to campus politics in order to get their chapter on campus.

I never told you to "shut up". That would be very un-classy of me. Glad to see I matter so much to you though.

And Greeks are allowed to be sexist...we have our own Code of Law that says so. :p

No, that would be me - explaining stay in your lane when you don't know what you're talking about. So much for keeping it Kappa Klassy.

Wow, you guys are just crossing the line all over the place, and once again ignoring the substance of what I was saying. But, then again, I guess sometimes having substance as opposed to being superficial is hard for some people.

And yes Kappa, that was rude.

Just wanted to see if you could tell the difference, as up until this point, you've taken disagreement as rudeness. I'll edit it out now.

Oh, heck...I was just being flippant. I'm sure a quick search here on my name would bring up my fair share of "shut ups".

Because here's the thing about substance vs. superficial here...it's a messageboard...it ain't that serious. At present, it's serving as a nice procrastination from doing payroll.

As a little note:

"Reverse ____ism". There is no reverse racism/sexism/sizeism/ageism. Only racism/sexism/sizeism/ageism/____ism.

(Also as another note of clarification and delineation: This TauDelt is not a member of the Tau Delta that is so near and dear to my heart...we're still hanging out in the Quiet Peaceful Village and we're still for women)

I know right? I don't have payroll to do, but I got plenty of drudgery to do.

Except as far as I can tell, that's not what she has said. What she and others have said is that those without direct, first-hand experience in how NPC orgs work shouldn't be offering advice on how they work. Observation doesn't count as direct, first-hand experience. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

Meanwhile, I'm not a member of an NPHC org. But I think my time on GreekChat has given me a pretty good idea of how members of NPHC orgs would react if someone not NPHC offered advice on joining or starting a chapter of their orgs.

Oh hell, at this point I'd probably argue that Betty Crocker left a Delta Zeta badge on the moon while reciting Sigma Kappa secrets from a Dr. Suess book and eating Green Bean Casserole just to get his goat. It's pretty much become my raison de filetage.

FWIW, we had a male advisor who was KA Order and worked in the GL Office that probably knew the Green Book better than anyone on campus. I would trust him to give advice on NPC Expansions.