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ree-Xi 09-10-2011 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DubaiSis (Post 2089679)
I participated in an installation and we were told to wear white. This was very different than what we wore back in my collegiate days, probably similar to what honeychile is describing. I must say I don't know if policy changed, the fact that my chapter is very old (100 years old next year!) and we wore original initiation garb, or if installations are different than regular initiations. Besides, our initiations were done in the middle of the night with about 82 things that are now considered hazing, so I know at least part of it has changed.

Too bad we can't share stories - I've got one or two funny ones!

One of the sisters in my alumnae association shared a little bit about her initiation (at another campus) that might be similar to yours, and it was wild.

I will say this about my Alpha Xi initiation - I was blown away. I thought it might be because it was so long coming for me, but then again, I don't see how it could be any less beautiful or meaningful to anyone experiencing it. There's a phrase that I've heard a lot - and many sororities have used it - that their sorority isn't something they "joined," but rather, something that they have always been. THAT is how I felt at initiation.

KillarneyRose 09-10-2011 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DubaiSis (Post 2089934)
What kills me is we probably all wore exactly the same thing, but since we can't discuss, we don't know!

I know what you mean; I'd love to see how other chapters do their initiations. Actually, I'd REALLY love to attend the initiation they do at Convention every other year. Since it's the National Council that does it, you KNOW it's done perfectly. I'm curious to see how it differs from how our chapter did it. ("uh oh, I can't find the sacred turtle shell" "okay, we can just use a seashell instead. No one will know the difference.")

KillarneyRose 09-10-2011 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ree-Xi (Post 2089949)
I will say this about my Alpha Xi initiation - I was blown away. I thought it might be because it was so long coming for me, but then again, I don't see how it could be any less beautiful or meaningful to anyone experiencing it. There's a phrase that I've heard a lot - and many sororities have used it - that their sorority isn't something they "joined," but rather, something that they have always been. THAT is how I felt at initiation.

That's why it really bothers me when GDIs talk about sorority initiations like they're something bad or abusive or, (ugh) kinky. Delta Zeta's initiation ritual is beautiful and uplifting and I would be absolutely shocked if it WEREN'T the case with the other NPC organizations as well.

AOEforme 09-10-2011 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DubaiSis (Post 2089934)
What kills me is we probably all wore exactly the same thing, but since we can't discuss, we don't know! Back to the factory thing - they couldn't stay in business if they were just manufacturing secret catsuits for just Alpha Xi.

I feel the exact same way. Maybe that's why we can't share: we'd all find out we've been wearing the same thing. :D

We do not have the no makeup requirement, for which I am grateful, because I am a mascara addict.

TPA85 09-10-2011 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by NutBrnHair (Post 2089948)
I feel a tad bit guilty because I so enjoy reading the information on this thread, but do not feel comfortable sharing information. Am I the only one who feels this way?

Nope.

MysticCat 09-10-2011 04:03 PM

What is this "initiation" that everyone is talking about?

NutBrnHair 09-10-2011 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2089984)
What is this "initiation" that everyone is talking about?

It's when you light a candle and read out of a duo-tang folder. Oh. Wait. I've said too much. I'm telling secrets from the ritual of the honor society to which I belong.

KillarneyRose 09-10-2011 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NutBrnHair (Post 2089948)
I feel a tad bit guilty because I so enjoy reading the information on this thread, but do not feel comfortable sharing information. Am I the only one who feels this way?

I completely understand, NutBrnHair. That's why I put that disclaimer in the first post. I figure whomever feels they can share will do so but no one should feel uncomfortable!

Believe me, I didn't post anything a random person standing in front of a DZ house wouldn't be able to tell ya :)

Leslie Anne 09-10-2011 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by NutBrnHair (Post 2089948)
I feel a tad bit guilty because I so enjoy reading the information on this thread, but do not feel comfortable sharing information. Am I the only one who feels this way?

I feel exactly the same way.

amIblue? 09-10-2011 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AnchorAlumna (Post 2089910)
I'm thinking I've heard more than once that the no-makeup rule is to keep makeup from getting onto the robes, which would then have to be cleaned and pressed every time instead of once or twice a year. That would make more sense.

Now I'm creeped out. The ad at the top of the page is www.shopwhitedress.com. How do they know???????????????????? :eek:

I don't see how make up could make any worse of a mess to be cleaned than all that blood from the ritual sacrifices.

That's not just us, right?

OMG -I've said too much, haven't I? :o

KKGCaroline 09-10-2011 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by amIblue? (Post 2089995)
I don't see how make up could make any worse of a mess to be cleaned than all that blood from the ritual sacrifices.

That's not just us, right?

OMG -I've said too much, haven't I? :o

ssssshhhhh!!! thats supposed to be a secret!! bad kappa!! ;)

aephi alum 09-10-2011 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KillarneyRose (Post 2089990)
I completely understand, NutBrnHair. That's why I put that disclaimer in the first post. I figure whomever feels they can share will do so but no one should feel uncomfortable!

Believe me, I didn't post anything a random person standing in front of a DZ house wouldn't be able to tell ya :)

Likewise (with the obvious substitution of AEPhi).

<tangent>
Several years ago, AEPhi colonized at Brandeis University, and I was invited to the colonization (I wasn't able to make it, unfortunately). Brandeis does not recognize greek life, so we were specifically instructed NOT to wear white, but instead to wear normal street clothes and bring a white outfit to change into. We were also asked to bring, but not wear, our badges.

The chapter was never chartered, but there are chapters of SDT and DPhiE, as well as ZBT and a couple of other fraternities.
</tangent>

naraht 09-10-2011 06:50 PM

Fraternities
 
I notice no comments about Fraternities on this thread...

I presume that Suit and Tie would be most standard?

honeychile 09-10-2011 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AOEforme (Post 2089975)
I feel the exact same way. Maybe that's why we can't share: we'd all find out we've been wearing the same thing. :D

We do not have the no makeup requirement, for which I am grateful, because I am a mascara addict.

My mother made me promise that, if I ever got remarried (!), that I'd get my eyelashes dyed!

AGDee 09-10-2011 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSAI (Post 2089808)
Sometimes, chapters add their own nuances, I think. For example, my initiating chapter also told the girls to wear no make-up and do very little to their hair, but upon reading the new Alpha Experience materials, I found out that initiates can wear make-up and do their hair!......Running off to look at the Alpha Experience again.

That is probably the biggest Initiation myth we have. Makeup is fine.. the idea is for women to look their best on a special day :) Heels are not a requirement so that was clearly a chapter nuance. Maybe they had issues with women trying to get by with flip flops so they made it "heels".

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Originally Posted by violetpretty (Post 2089817)
Wow, I am amazed that so many other sororities (and apparently a chapter of my own) are not allowed to wear makeup. Never occured to me that it wouldn't be allowed. Hell, I'd prefer if more members DID wear it...because that means they took some time to look nice before Initiation instead of rolling out of bed hungover...

Participants (initiates plus those with a part in the ceremony) are to wear pure all white dress and shoes, and the only jewelry that is permitted is pearl jewelry plus engagement/wedding rings if applicable. All others have the option of a top and skirt, and other minimal, simple jewelry. Specific color of underwear isn't mentioned, but it is not supposed to be showing, so I guess it is implied that it should match your skin. Hose are not required, though we do allow nude hose. Almost no one wears them and I can't recall a time where I saw someone in my chapter wear white hose. We don't police nail color.

White hose were bigger in the 90s, I think. I'm not even sure they still sell them!


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Originally Posted by NutBrnHair (Post 2089948)
I feel a tad bit guilty because I so enjoy reading the information on this thread, but do not feel comfortable sharing information. Am I the only one who feels this way?

No need to feel guilty. If you're not supposed to discuss it, then don't. This is not secret information for some of us.

As my sisters above noted.. white dress (below the knee), with shoulders covered and white shoes. Jewelry is not worn but makeup can be.

33girl 09-10-2011 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KillarneyRose (Post 2089961)
I know what you mean; I'd love to see how other chapters do their initiations. Actually, I'd REALLY love to attend the initiation they do at Convention every other year. Since it's the National Council that does it, you KNOW it's done perfectly. I'm curious to see how it differs from how our chapter did it. ("uh oh, I can't find the sacred turtle shell" "okay, we can just use a seashell instead. No one will know the difference.")

Having seen an initiation at our convention, honestly? It was just a lot more people standing around watching it. Then again, I think ours is pretty idiot proof. From what I gather on here, other groups' are more complicated. Ours is quite straightforward (except for the part where we fire up the Phoenix's butt) and I like it that way.

psy 09-10-2011 08:00 PM

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Believe me, I didn't post anything a random person standing in front of a DZ house wouldn't be able to tell ya :)
Subbing in my sorority, ditto. We've even asked passers-by to help us take pictures outside of our house before initiation.

SAITrump 09-10-2011 09:28 PM

I feel I can say what we wore since the Phi Mu Alpha guys got to see us moving about the music building (no houses for sororities in upper state SC). Some of them were apparently there just to see this. As in, they were waiting in the hallways. :rolleyes:

Anyways... All white. Dress, slacks, skirts, bathing suit coverup dress things. No specification on formality, but we took it to be an event to look nice for as a class. No make-up. No nail polish. No jewelry other than the MIT pin. Pure white shoes, white socks, or no shoes at all (your choice). Most of us went for no shoes. They collected the shoes we walked over in and any jewelry (including simple studs) before we were allowed to begin. We were warned by random sisters the week prior to our ceremony as to what to wear.

When I explained to my mom that I was looking for a white skirt, she asked why. Apparently she got to wear a mix of the sorority colors for her AOII initiation... all those years ago.

Titchou 09-10-2011 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2090030)
Having seen an initiation at our convention, honestly? It was just a lot more people standing around watching it. Then again, I think ours is pretty idiot proof. From what I gather on here, other groups' are more complicated. Ours is quite straightforward (except for the part where we fire up the Phoenix's butt) and I like it that way.

At our Convention, a nearby chapter does it. And it may be for real if they have someone to initiate or it may be a mock ceremony. Frankly, to get up early to go is not on my radar screen.....I can go to one every semester here if I want...and at least I know the people.....

MysticCat 09-11-2011 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by naraht (Post 2090012)
I notice no comments about Fraternities on this thread...

Well, there was a comment from a fraternity member. ;)

DrPhil 09-11-2011 03:17 PM

A lot of interesting cultural practices can be found if you Google Image "initiation."

DoctorD 09-11-2011 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Always AlphaGam (Post 2089806)
This is the first I've ever heard of heels being a requirement.

We made a point of including Initiation attire in the Alpha Experience Magazine so that it wouldn't be a surprise. Also so the discrepancies would be eliminated.

Dress is not secret in AGD land for the ceremony, regardless of role.

HannahXO 09-11-2011 04:51 PM

Here's what you'd see on a new member one her way to Chi Omega initiation on my campus: White dress (not too finicky about it being pristine white), hair/makeup=whatever, and any shoes. But she'd be carrying white socks. What goes on past that point, well...let's just say the giant flock of owls gets released and the mayhem begins :)

A friend of mine in a different sorority (won't say which) was told to buy nude underwear, which seemed really weird to me at the time, but I guess it isn't that uncommon from reading this thread!

naraht 09-11-2011 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2090224)
Well, there was a comment from a fraternity member. ;)

Touche. It should have been I've seen no comment on dress for Fraternity Initiations. (and by Fraternity here, I am not including any of the "Women's Fraternities" in the NPC)

AOII Angel 09-11-2011 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SAITrump (Post 2090056)
I feel I can say what we wore since the Phi Mu Alpha guys got to see us moving about the music building (no houses for sororities in upper state SC). Some of them were apparently there just to see this. As in, they were waiting in the hallways. :rolleyes:

Anyways... All white. Dress, slacks, skirts, bathing suit coverup dress things. No specification on formality, but we took it to be an event to look nice for as a class. No make-up. No nail polish. No jewelry other than the MIT pin. Pure white shoes, white socks, or no shoes at all (your choice). Most of us went for no shoes. They collected the shoes we walked over in and any jewelry (including simple studs) before we were allowed to begin. We were warned by random sisters the week prior to our ceremony as to what to wear.

When I explained to my mom that I was looking for a white skirt, she asked why. Apparently she got to wear a mix of the sorority colors for her AOII initiation... all those years ago.

Nah. She probably just doesn't remember. We have worn and always will wear all white.

FleurGirl 09-11-2011 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NutBrnHair (Post 2089948)
I feel a tad bit guilty because I so enjoy reading the information on this thread, but do not feel comfortable sharing information. Am I the only one who feels this way?

Nope! I second that. Sharing ritual is a line I definitely do not want to cross even accidentally.

IrishLake 09-11-2011 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by FleurGirl (Post 2090328)
Nope! I second that. Sharing ritual is a line I definitely do not want to cross even accidentally.

See my post #24 on page 2. ;)

KSUViolet06 09-15-2011 08:47 PM

Sailor outfits.

Oh darn, I've said too much.

psusue 09-15-2011 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 2091601)
Sailor outfits.

Oh darn, I've said too much.

Sssshhhh! KSU, you're giving it away! Just don't mention the skull masks... oh gosh now it's all out there.

IrishLake 09-15-2011 10:22 PM

*Off to do a Polyvore initiation outfit project. ;)

rockwallgreek 09-16-2011 09:15 AM

My 2nd daughter was told to wear white underwear. She and her NM sisters concocted some idea that the chapter would be removing their underwear, so they all came to initiation with two pair of underwear on. The whole point of being told to wear white underwear was because those of us in the audience were tired of seeing polka dots, zebra stripes, etc. through the white dresses!

CougarGrad 09-16-2011 10:01 AM

We were also told to wear the bare minimum of tasteful makeup and jewelry. Shoes were an option, but at least socks were a must because our feet would get cold. Beyond that... ;)

I also have a "ritual" section in my closet- I wear those items only at initiations because I don't want to muss them up. :)

LionTamer 09-16-2011 10:44 AM

The way the question is phrased "what were you told to wear to initiation?" doesn't give much away - maybe they put you in sequined hose, red-and-white bikinis and cowboy hats (like we do) when you arrive at your chapter room, but what you actually are told to show up in is going to be obvious to anyone on campus.

I owned an absolutely hideous cream-colored polyester dress to go to rituals, and hideous white shoes. As 33girl mentioned, pantyhouse were also de rigueur at the time. Yuck. Nothing was said about make up and hair.

I was fairly horrified to see post-ritual pictures posted by my chapter on their website several years ago where one of the girls was wearing skin-tight white pants with a skin-tight white belly shirt. It was so indescribably awful that I wish I still had it available.

lovespink88 09-16-2011 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rockwallgreek (Post 2091749)
My 2nd daughter was told to wear white underwear. She and her NM sisters concocted some idea that the chapter would be removing their underwear, so they all came to initiation with two pair of underwear on. The whole point of being told to wear white underwear was because those of us in the audience were tired of seeing polka dots, zebra stripes, etc. through the white dresses!

Total hijack/rant. This is a total pet peeve of mine. You are supposed to wear skin color bras/underwear underneath white to prevent the world from seeing your undergarments. White totally shows through. I don't understand why people don't get this!!!

(This is not directed at you in any way, rockwallgreek! So many people say this :))

/rant

33girl 09-16-2011 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by lovespink88 (Post 2091814)
Total hijack/rant. This is a total pet peeve of mine. You are supposed to wear skin color bras/underwear underneath white to prevent the world from seeing your undergarments. White totally shows through. I don't understand why people don't get this!!!

(This is not directed at you in any way, rockwallgreek! So many people say this :))

/rant

The thing is, it has to be the color of YOUR skin, not what Bali or Maidenform or whoever call "flesh tone." If you're super duper pale, sometimes you're better off goig with white.

preciousjeni 09-16-2011 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2091822)
If you're super duper pale, sometimes you're better off goig with white.

This would be me.

OneHeartOneWay 09-16-2011 01:49 PM

When I initiated (2000), we had to wear white hose (as a chapter). They were certainly "out of fashion" already at that point, but surprisingly, in the next year or two when the vote came up in chapter to remove that requirement, it was met with MUCH resistance and if I remember correctly, failed the first time it was presented.

MysticCat 09-16-2011 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHeartOneWay (Post 2091824)
When I initiated (2000), we had to wear white hose (as a chapter). They were certainly "out of fashion" already at that point, but surprisingly, in the next year or two when the vote came up in chapter to remove that requirement, it was met with MUCH resistance and if I remember correctly, failed the first time it was presented.

I'm betting because it was "Tradition."

KillarneyRose 09-16-2011 01:54 PM

http://www.myskins.com/

I shouldn't threadjack, but this company makes lingerie that comes in 20 shades so just about everyone can find a color that matches their skin. They'll even send you a little card with the colors on it so you can hold it up and match yourself! I'm an "04" :)

DrPhil 09-16-2011 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2091822)
The thing is, it has to be the color of YOUR skin, not what Bali or Maidenform or whoever call "flesh tone." If you're super duper pale, sometimes you're better off goig with white.

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Originally Posted by preciousjeni (Post 2091823)
This would be me.

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Originally Posted by KillarneyRose (Post 2091827)
http://www.myskins.com/

I shouldn't threadjack, but this company makes lingerie that comes in 20 shades so just about everyone can find a color that matches their skin. They'll even send you a little card with the colors on it so you can hold it up and match yourself! I'm an "04" :)

:)

It took decades before companies stopped basing "flesh tone" and "nude" on predominantly white women's skin tones.

Whether your undergarments are white, tan, brown, or black--look at yourself in the mirror from the front and back. Women's liberation, indeed.


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