I suspect it's not surprising that I agree in principle with most of what the OP says. We can quibble about the relative obnoxiousness of implying we're embarrassing our GLOs, but I think it pales in comparison with some of the unnecessary meanness that a lot of us have delivered at one point or another.

However, I think cyberbullying is a huge overstatement of what goes on here. I'm skeptical of the cyberbullying concept generally and think that it's getting way blown out of proportion when identified as a social problem.

ETA: as usual MC nails it.

I'm dead honest when I say, I appreciate what you both have to say here. You're right, I am being passive aggressive and maybe it's just because I don't have time to comment on every single thread and look more like the "cyber-police" as I've been called here. My point from the first is to have people just think about the whole picture (and how your - not you personally of course - post might be received) when posting. That's it. I was probably too wordy in the way that I said it. So maybe that's a better way of saying it.

Cyber-bullying is a big statement, but the idea of continually kicking and dogpile-ing on someone when they're down, from behind a unknown username is more hurtful. You're more likely to say more damaging things when you can remain anonymous. They still hurt. Again, I'm just asking people to think before posting...that's all.

LARGE FREAKING POSTS (PART 1)
 

And here's where you made your first mistake.

No. Freaking. Way. REALLY? Damn. News to me!
Adult women should know enough to step away from the keyboard if they're going to rant about how Alpha Beta Gamma is a chapter of TRAMPS who aren't good enough for their daughter anyway. Damn, that'd be a good thread.
What happens in your world: The meanies of GC pounce on the poor desperate PNM who is emotionally traumatized after high emotions lead to frustated sayings.

What happens more often: GCers tell PNMs to STFU and stop posting because it's really freaking obvious where they go to school and who they are after they said something really stupid in the first place like, "What are the ranks of the sororities at my school and how can a one handed saxophonist like me get into the best one?" And even then it's generally because they don't listen.

No.

So?
Sorry, our job is to play cheerleader? Where's it say that? People who feel as such will express that, people who wish to quote a PNM's comments will do that. Life goes on.

Right so don't TELL them to think rationally, just pity party them and treat them like they're incapable.
Guess how they can tell? They read the little date by the posters' names. And when someone tells them to do a search, or helpful people like KSUViolet post LINKS for them. God we're so cruel, making them do tricky things like read and think. (Dear lord this post reads like the poor female teenagers can't possibly think straight due to their crazy emotions. Not sure why we even bother educating the poor dears, really.)

You don't understand the meaning of those words obviously. EW has been trolling for years, and the socks usually make it a few months (or longer) without being called out. People who don't post their affiliations and still try to give advice on GC get called out for good reason. Put up or shut up. That goes for you too. Grow some ovaries and post your words with your letters.

And if we have multiple socks that are still around and posting because they're chickenshits and can't bear to be snarky under their real names - or have tarnished their real names so terribly I suppose.

Don't care, if you troll or sock you troll or sock no matter how long you lurk. The two are not connected.

That is not discretion, that's making an ass of themselves. If I walk up to you and start telling you how to make a million dollars but I won't show you my bank statements, will you trust me?

If you're claiming authority on recruitment matters, put up or shut up. And quite frankly if you're going to claim to be a sorority member at all, put up or shut up. We have no time for perps. Verify your letters with another GC member of your organization and move on.

5) Can we refrain from bashing people who decide to withdraw? BLAH BLAH BLAH [/quote]
People get bashed for withdrawing BEFORE PREF while in the same breath bitching about being dropped by the popular chapters.

Fuck off. Seriously. Where the fuck do you think you get off telling me what my GLO cares about? HQs read GC, and if they have an issue with something I say they can tell me about it. You, however, can go and fuck yourself.


No, it's not. Learn something before you post bullshit.
And WHERE THE FUCK do you get off piggybacking on real tragedies to try and make your point here?
You don't actually know what the "golden rule" is do you? Newsflash, I follow it. Odds are so does everyone here. We just expect people to be direct with us and tell us when we're being stupid rather than pretending things are cupcakes and rainbows.

By the way you're being stupid.

And yet you posted.

Stop being a fucking coward and be direct or take your ball and go home.

WTF would I need to snark you for that? That would be weaksauce. The passive aggressive bullshit you try to post as a call for ~*~Kindness~*~ is all I really need.

Seriously, your post count has nothing to do with it, this is so very much a "Do you even go here?" moment. I mean, really? It took you this long to find out how big and mean we are and now your brilliant solution was this post? Think longer next time.

LARGE FREAKING POSTS (PART 2)
 

Agreed.

True, although I don't actually see that happening here.

Yep

Yep.

Precisely, if one has an issue, the best way to impact it is to address it.
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FLAME ON
http://i.imgur.com/63yng.jpg
This. (although making her a target provided some entertainment)

And this.

But mostly this.
I'm flattered I suppose

Yes.
No, I'm going with coward.

Gee, thank you internet scientist. This is not news. So when I speak with my letters and my username I'm not really being anonymous. You don't need my legal name and address. You on the other hand, don't seem to think your letters are part of your identity, are posting anonymously on the same website and think preaching at us is ok? Hmmmmmm.
You're assuming we don't think. We do. We just disagree with you.

God stop being so mean.

/no it isn't.

That doesn't even make sense. My cousin went through recruitment at Mizzou and suffered no ill effects due to my presence here because I didn't make a big deal about it or post her life story. Your inability to do the same seems odd.

No, it isn't. And the posts in these threads aren't bullying.

You're being really dumb right now. Maybe you're not all the time, I don't really have an impression of you outside of this thread, but right now... DUMB.

That's all.

I don't think you covered everything, DF ;)

I'm glad you said it before I did. Get nice like me.


<---role model

Can we talk about the REAL golden rule?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi7gwX7rjOw

This thread is sooooo 2007....Actually, we get one of these EVERY year, it's just that this particular one I remember who started and could easily find.


What this thread is lacking, however, is the OP telling us how many PMs she got in support of her thread. That's a classic rule of these kind of threads that can't be ignored.

I started this really in response to Wary's thread, so this either applies to you directly or it doesn't. Yes, she was warned not to continue, and she went forward, but does that give someone the license to create a sockpuppet with direct threats on her daughter's rush? Like they're the police of GreekChat?

And, I actually know better than to do that, because I know I'd get further flamed. But since you mentioned it, yes, I have received several. :D

I seriously didn't think that just a reminder to play nice in the sandbox would get people THAT rankled. If you're being nice, (and most of you are or else I wouldn't be trying to salvage this place) then I'm not talking to you directly. What I guess I didn't think through so much, was that if you're not, then you probably won't listen to me anyway.

I've just had so many people say to me (noobs) that they're scared to post anything because they're afraid of saying something. Is that the kind of environment we want to be a part of?

SALVAGE this place? I wasn't aware that we were in need of a redeemer here. Should we praise you for offering yourself on the cross of ridicule? Sheesh.

Salvage is a big word, you're right & I haven't had coffee yet. :) Guess I meant salvage it for the noobs. I've just directed a bunch of people here for advice and they're literally scared of it and won't post any questions. Most of you (absolutely you AF) are wonderful lovely people. I'm just looking for more people to feel comfortable and quit lurking. Maybe I poop rainbows.

Oh look, we got the PMs line now.

Boring.

Stop saying "we" like you represent anything but you.


Also since you fucking Godwin'd the thread you officially lose and the thread is over.

SS of Greekchat indeed, fuck you.

Wow...hostility! Definitely wasn't looking for that, but OK.

If you read the next one, I'm talking about people I personally direct here (for the good info) and then become scared to ask anything.

G'Day.

So you didn't read my other posts in this thread then, I assume?

Again you make a lot of assumptions, including that I didn't read your posts. Stop doing that.

Also, when you make comparisons that are offensive, like piggybacking on the tragedy of teen suicides to tell us to ~behave~ ourselves, or making a fucking HOLOCAUST reference and comparing GC sockpuppets to the Nazi Schutzstaffel you're being fucking ignorant. Stop it.

Until GCers go to people's homes in the middle of the night and throw them into concentration camps that will never be an acceptable comparison.

You know what? You're right. I apologize and will delete that part. BUT, it is reminscent of McCarthyism (better analogy?) when people become crazy stalkers and start "taking care" of things.

I guess it's probably not fun for you when I can have a calm conversation and admit when I'm wrong. I don't need to resort to profanity.

Many people don't do that here. I'm sincerely not trying to bash...I'm trying to help. Sorry that it's not coming off that way.

Absolutely.

But now I have this mental picture of the GC SS, which made me spit my coffee all over my laptop.

Stop talking about us...uh, them....yeah, THEM like they exist. THEY DO NOT EXIST. Excuse me, I have some things, none of which are the least bit secret, to take care of.

But you bitches have been in rare form this August. I'm with shirley, come what may.

Threads like this always become ironic.

You created this "be nice" thread specifically in response to sock puppets and trolls? Womp womp.

This should actually be the lesson. Everyone should already know that crazy readers, sock puppets, and trolls don't care about what they have a license to do. If being edited and banned mattered they would not come here in the first place.

People can continue to do whatever they do and put the onus on the crazy readers, sock puppets, and trolls. If that sounds smart to people then good luck to them.


Where was the first flame? I wish people would stop making comments and then verbally preparing for some kind of backlash. You did that in your OP and you keep doing that. Own up to what you want to say and stop labeling the responses to your posts as flames. People...are...responding...to...you. If you don't want responses to your posts keep your opinions to yourself or private message them to someone who you know agrees with your every word.


I refuse to believe that you are clueless enough to create a thread to preach to sock puppets and trolls. How about you let us know who the nice and not nice usernames are. That will definitely rank and file usernames so that we can sing kumbaya one day.

We aren't going to change. Is that the kind of environment YOU want to be a part of?

Please not this comparison again. Being dramatic in response to perceived drama never works. Find your own way to express your own opinion. Don't make yourself a spokesperson.

Life lesson:
I consider your tone condescending and it makes you that which you despise. Announcing that you are calm and that you are trying to help can receive a negative response on GC and in real life depending on the topic and who you're talking to.

In before the lock.

eta - Those who come to GC for information will find many stickies which cover most topics. Those who post honest questions in a spirit of friendship will receive support and answers. Those who post with a sense of entitlement, or self-importance, will not. It's a classic example of you get what you give. Things don't just turn snarky - there is a flashpoint.

I have to admit, I can't believe this thread has gone on for so long....wow.

shirley, I have something to add. You talked about how someone (I'm assuming from Texas or who has a chapter of their organization at Texas) was able to pick this young woman out in the crowd during recruitment. Here's my question: Doesn't that concern you on the part of the mother's lack of discretion, in the least? I have no clue who you are talking about or what really happened---you aren't telling us everything---but, if a PNM is that discernable from the rest of the crowd (UT has TONS of PNMs going through), then that's a problem.

Sure, there are crazy people who lurk, sock-puppet, troll, etc. The truth is that you never know who is on here. As Drolefille stated earlier, many of us have people from our Inter/National headquarters on here (though they may not post). I'm sorry to hear about that young woman's recruitment not working out for her but, maybe you should be pointing the finger at mom who gave away so much information that she was easy to spot. If anything, that is a potentially dangerous situation that you are giving up so much information about your child or loved one that strangers on a website can pick them out of a line-up.

So, stop yelling at those of us on GC that don't go looking to ruin someone's recruitment. Instead, start looking at the poor behavior of some of the parents who feel the need to disclose so many details about their child on an internet forum.

I stumbled upon this thread last night and discovered that I was indeed summoned. :)

Oh yes, this is true. I have to thank you, DF, MC, and KS (even though he didn't really say much) for adding to this thread. I also like that Alpha Frog shared.

Stop using us for your amusement! :mad: :p

Well said. The psycho troll who did this was cruel, but they needed help to find their victim. Don't feed the troll.

Now, I've got different GC SS regiments going through my head. Different colored shirts for different sororities - (i.e., the Kappas would be known as the Blueshirts).

Also, are the PNMs on GC considered the GC Youth? Preparing for the day when they can join their regiment.

I mean, if we're going to go with the Nazi comparisons, let's do it right. :p

I have never seen a rushee claim she dropped because she was dropped by the popular chapters.

Now, I haven't read every thread, so I could have missed one or three, but most often she claims she didn't feel a connection with the chapters she ranked low, and GC women to whom she comes for advice make the value judgements.

Okay, I get that you believe it's your right.

Bless your heart.

And maybe that's what the very crux of my point is. Given that it's the written word, tone is VERY subjective. I didn't mean to be condescending, and yet I came off that way to you. You (the collective you of course) can come off that way as well, so we should all just be a little more careful in wording I guess.

Agree. I thought it would be one post and done, but apparently a struck a nerve somewhere?

I actually wasn't the one talking about this, I just mentioned that thread in general. I haven't said anything (to my memory) in that thread, I just referenced it. And yes, it does concern me (as I believe I mentioned in here) that the poster didn't listen, but do I think she then deserves what she got? NO.

So, you are saying she got what she deserved? I'm still really baffled at that.

Seriously...where did I yell? Did I call you by name? If it doesn't apply to you, then don't respond to it. Simple. For the tenth time, I'm just asking people to think about how they can be construed before they post.

No, you didn't:

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Originally Posted by shirley1929 (Post 2083805) I’m also not stupid enough to believe that I’m not about to get flamed right now. --- I’m sure there’s more – I’ll be back. Let the bashing begin in…5…4…3…

You should take your own advice. It's really not that serious.

Ummm . . . so what would the Gamma Phis be known as? :eek:

Brownshirts is probably a tad much, don't you think? Perhaps the modeshirts? But I don't want to be a shirt color Nazi, so I'll leave it up to you awesome Gamma Phis! :D

But when that happens to us, we explain ourselves, say sorry and move on. We don't preach to everyone that they all need to be nicer. We're typing on a message board.. misunderstandings happen. Get over it.


Look, you screw up, you pay the consequences. The end.

And sometimes you (the collective you, of course) aren't given the opportunity to apologize. The noob just slithers off because they're scared of your tone.

Not gonna lie...that sounded hella creepy to me. So, some poor girl who did absolutely NOTHING wrong except having a mom who is overzealous and shares a little too much has to "pay the consequences"? And you're justifying it?

I am hurt that I wasn't included. :( I think that it is important for people to know that Orange Julius is still around. "Go Orange Julius!" :D

Actions having consequences is "creepy" to you?

LOL @ what this thread has become

No, it was the tone with which she said it. :D :rolleyes:

And that it was justified that the "consequences" were to the innocent daughter, not the mother. That's what creeps me out.

Oh my.. It's true.. You really do live in Happy Pony Rainbow Land, huh?

Look, if I'm holding your hand and you decide to jump off a cliff, I pay for your stupid decision. I never said the daughter deserves to have all of her hopes and dreams crushed! I simply said that if you do something stupid, you can't be surprised when shit hits the fan. And you definitely can't blame us nice GCers, who only tried to help the mother out by telling her to shut up.

Does it suck that she ruined her daughter's shot at getting into a sorority? Yes. Should she be surprised at the outcome of her decision to not keep her mouth shut? No. Like I said a little ways back.. We tell the truth, and people don't want to hear it. Too bad.


ETA: p.s. how is that opinion "creepy"? It's not like I said I think it'd be a good idea to stare in your bedroom window all night..

Was that your only point in creating this thread? LOL.

Boohoo to the noob who slithers off? Good gracious. LOL.

Do you seriously think she is justifying what happened? I think you don't really know which battle you're fighting. There are a few battles here, some of which are exaggerated.

LOL. Since when have usernames been able to create preachy threads with no responses? The OP should've replied in the Wary thread and been done with it. LOL.