This begins to be a bit absurd. The phrase was "pond life" (mildly negative but very different meaning) and it was my sister's comment. According to the criticisms heard today it seems to me that as she is a woman and a Greek alumna she is fully qualified to make such a comment. It might be helpful if quoted phrases are accurately quoted and attributed to their originator. If the comment seems pretentious I suggest you read a few dozen comments on a few dozen threads by a number of ladies where the phrase 'pond life' would be seen mild and not in the least pretentious. Its all in the context but I would suggest that one should read the original comment before responding to something that was not said in the manner implied.

Does anyone read what was actually said? The quote was "pond life" not "pond scum". These have very different meanings, and by the way, the comment was my sister's, a Greek alumna, who would seem to me to be well qualified to offer her opinion.

just throwing it out there
 

I appreciate your opinion and help zekeguy. Based on your strong and dramatic response, I am definitely not wearing boots. Other than that, I would love if the arguments on this thread ended.

Remind me please where anything was said about her 'dressing for dudes'. I seem to recall this was all about a suggestion that the outfit might not work to her best advantage during rush where her judges would be female. My sister's comment is her opinion and I don't see what your opinion of whether it is helpful or not has anything to do with anything other than your opinion.

As to telling sorority members to stay in their lane, why? Suggestions, constructive criticism, and helpful comments are always welcome. Even nasty cracks can be quite amusing.
I might have the right to ASK someone to stay in her lane but I would have NO right to TELL her to do so. By the same token anyone has the right to ASK anyone to do or not do something. BUT, in the context of GC, no one has the right to tell someone to do or not do something.

So, I'm sorry but you are not in a position to TELL me anything. Please back off and get over yourself.

As to your ever so ladylike order to "blow me", sorry, that is not acceptable on two accounts. First, it is biologically impossible. Second, I am a straight male so even if it were possible you would be out of luck.

Best.Newbie.Comment. greekdancer, I hope you have a fabulous recruitment!!!

Question: What's with boots and dresses? I'm thinking of back in the day when the style was those lace up granny boots and print dresses that made the wearer look like Little House on the Prairie. I'll search for a photo and post if I find one.

Can someone show me a successful boots and dress combo? I bet the boots you like would work with something!

ps dekeguy, take a deep breath. This is not the hill you want to die on.

That would be great by me. I'm sorry that this caused so much chaos. It was not intended to do so. But, I would like to offer you my best wishes for good luck in finding the perfect fit into what I expect will be a great and positive experience for you.

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Obviously, some are more successful than others. I also feel like attitude comes into play - like the last example.

I like dresses with boots. It's a really "young" look right now (late teens, early 20s) but I haven't seen many women my age or older pull it of with any degree of success. It usually looks better with heavier clothes, sweater dresses, etc.

I do wear boots and skirts quite often, with tights. Depends on the type of skirt. But that's the style up here in the winter (when it's -40,000 degrees).

http://media.fashionmagazine.com/dyn...lovely_250.jpg
This is kindof the aesthetic I go for.

I get it!

not a look you see much in Tucson for obvious reasons.

Actually, it was "pond life (Brit for 'bottom feeder')."

Sorry, but it was snide of your sister to say it, it was snide of you to repeat it, and it putting it out there gives you no room to criticize others for any lack of ladylike behavior.

No, I would not imagine that would be so.

Is the OP going to SoCal or NorCal (is that a thing?)? I bet that would make a difference as to whether or not the boots with a skirt/boots with a dress look would be "normal."

Second the motion on your kind and encouraging comment to the PNM.

Interesting choice of metaphor about that hill. Back when I was forward deployed in Iraq I came close to doing just that. Caught one in the leg and some frag across my back. I have been shot at by experts with real bullets so being shot at with e-bullets has little effect. Mostly a bit surprised and a bit of mild amusement tinged with very mild annoyance at being attacked for what was intended as a helpful thought. Ah well...

Wow, I didn't think the comments could get more eyeroll worthy.:rolleyes:

dekeguy, I've shared this on the boards before: a valuable lesson my father taught me about "having to have the last word". Truly, you can let this go now. It's morphing into something much more than boots and dresses.

While I'm addressing you, dekeguy, thank you for your service in Iraq. It is deeply appreciated.

Now, back to fashion: NorCal, I've heard that, agzg. And here in AZ we fondly refer to everything south of Maricopa County as "Baja Arizona". I won't insult my friends in the northern part of the state, other than to say I pity the fools who have to live in Phoenix. It's stinking hot there.

Sheeeit, in the Pacific Northwest I wouldn't be surprised if they're wearing tights and boots with their dresses right now - I've heard it's been a rather chilly summer.

AzTheta-I have no idea what is with boots and dresses! It's just how we roll in CT I guess. I actually worked at a fashion store in a mall for a while and saw so many of the older girls wearing outfits similar to the one I posted to work that it grew on me! It's also common around here to wear leggings with no pants. Not my thing. When my old friends come visit me the always make fun of the style here!

We have two styles: extremely preppy (Vineyard Vines, Lacoste polos) and then the boots and leggings.

Guess I need to work on my wardrobe when I go to California (NorCal)

Ha, good on you for not liking leggings as pants. That one's always a headscratcher for me.

Well, there is a difference between what you refer to as a snide comment and such ladylike phrases as 'not worth jack shit' and 'blow me'. I have not uttered any vulgarities or suggestions that I perform anatomically challenging acts which incidentally are not something I would do even if possible. I have been restrained in my responses as a gentleman ought. I cannot say the same for those who uttered the comments to which I referred.

Now, I believe you are male. Am I correct? If so I suggest that we address this matter in a traditional manner. Pistols for two, coffee for one. If that is not to your liking we could always discuss it at a mutually convenient gym.

My money's on MC.

If you two were admitted in any of the same states, you could have it out in court.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

OK.

This is ridiculous, dekeguy. Step away from the keyboard. Seriously. Or my dad will rise up from his grave and everyone will regret it.

Now, everybody hold hands, sing kumbaya, and I'm toasting the marshmallows because it's obvious that some people might use the sticks as weapons. In other words:basta!

Back to greekdancer: girl, you better adjust your clothing and style. You in Big Trouble if you show up in those clothes in California. (i went and looked at the clothing styles you referenced. No, No...NO.).

Where the hell is ellebud? lucykkg? Come ON. This is annoying.

ETA: leggings with no pants? what?

Where to get clothes if I can't wear vineyard vines and lilly?

Lilly? LILLY? Oh dear. I need to get some of my Arizona actives to give me suggestions for you. And again, for the fifteen millionth time: ellebud? lucykkg? For the love of Mike!

This is a huge no on boots with a dress. Srsly, straight from the wardrobe of Blossom & Six.
http://www1.bloomingdales.com/catalo...tegoryID=16857


I don't think it is too cold this summer, it has been too hot for me as of late. Too hot being over 75 degrees. I'm seriously sitting on my couch with boxed sangria from Target in my pink tiki straw cup with frozen fruit in it because it is 85 degrees outside.

So umm yeah, NorCal, kind of a contentious term for me, though not as bad as Frisco or Cali. The only person who can ever get away with calling it Cali is L.L. Cool J if he's singing to me. The whole thing is had to define, where does it start, Monterey? Does the central valley get included? What about the Sierras? To be truthful the area around San Francisco aka the Bay Area is nothing like the coastal communities, the Central Valley, or the Sierras. The people in those areas can be much more rural, white, conservative, and oh, kind of like where I live now.

I see people with their Nor Cal pride stuff, giant ass decals, always on pick ups here, t-shirts, and so on, but I don't know anyone who wears it (it is sold in Zumiez, which is a mall chain, which we have where I live). There's definitely a streak of provincialism that comes out of me when people say they are from San Francisco and are really living in oh, San Bruno or Walnut Creek. There is nothing wrong with being from the Peninsula or the East Bay, but if your area code isn't 415 and you didn't live in The City, be loud and proud. Inside San Francisco proper, we break it down by neighborhoods and get provincial on the provincial.

Perhaps one way to designate the difference is if people in a community say 101 or "the 101" when mentioning their freeways. Hella and like would have worked but ten years ago No Doubt fouled that one up with their album Hella Good.

^^^Claiming the Sunset District, here! and a little North Beach mixed in as well <<<vbg>>>

Sorry, but I don't think there need to be degrees of impoliteness here. I'm just saying that when someone has come on with an outfit that she clearly likes and thinks she might look good in, and when her question is whether it would be appropriate for a specific event, is there really a need to suggest it looks like what a "bottom feeder" would wear? As far as that goes, does a gentleman even utter those kinds of judgments in public?

I think that if he does, he doesn't get to criticize the manners of others. ;)


I am male, but as I also think that I remember you're a lawyer, I'll offer a different sort of dual: We meet in court and then beers afterward.

Inner or Outer? South of the Park, north of Sloat, and west of UC/Kezar or it doesn't count. If we or siblings went to school together I'm too through. I'll take it even further to Inner Sunset, Golden Gate Heights. You can buy some gear to represent here http://www.cafepress.com/outsidelands/3090475

I want some Polly Ann's ice cream & some pink popcorn.

Lawyer fight... See who can draft a brief in Bluebook, ALWD and the Redbook the fastest? Do research without the use of We-Xis, keep a straight face while listening to a Whitebread barbri lecture?

Hey, I went to law school when Shepherds was still a shelf-full of books that you had to look through one by one, and there was no internet. Piece of cake.

OK>>>just saw the thread and my charge cards are screaming..

I don't know where you are going to school. October in SoCal can be very warm...or raining. But I am assuming that you're not here, so.....

The dress is sweet. The boots....not so much. Rather clunky and not the look you want.

I just found for my daughters some suede dove gray boots with high heels that would look wonderful with a sweater dress. But, depending again where you're going to school it could be too warm/cold or too sophisticated for an 18 year old. (As much as I would love to wear these it's too young a look for me.) Oh, and wear tights/stockings that match the dress to create a longer line.

If you are in a warm climate and have chosen the white dress (I can't see the color of the belt) but I would suggest a high nude peek a boo heel or a sandal. As I believe you said this isn't a semi or formal dress. And you can always take the shape of a LBD and look for it in a color.

I would have to say Outer Sunset: 22nd Ave & Irving is the closest . Just not quite close enough to be Inner. Otherwise I think I meet your criteria! Sadly, the home was sold some time ago. What I wouldn't give to still own that piece of real estate. Best memories are of what we called "Indian Summer" when the fog was gone. Wore summer clothes in Sept/October.

Kezar! Holy Cow! and what about Seal Stadium? Boy did you take me on a trip down memory lane...

Lowell High School?

Thanks for the URL, I see a little somethin' somethin' I might just desire :D

OK I promise to return this thread to its regularly scheduled programming, now that ellebud showed up.

AzTheta/VandalSquirrel: I remember the debates my address sparked when I moved to "The City" from Berkeley. I lived on Presidio Avenue near Pine Street. I was told I lived in:
1. Presidio Heights (most status-worthy)
2. Western Addition (least status-worthy)
3. Laurel Heights (seemed most accurate)
4. Pacific Heights (what most people understood)
5. Anza Vista

I had a friend who lived on Clayton (well) above Haight. If she was feeling particularly yuppie she said she lived in "Ashbury Heights," if she was being accurate she was being accurate she said she lived in "Twin Peaks," if she was being particularly funky she said she lived in "The Haight," if she was hanging around with gay male friends she said she lived in the "Swish Alps."

okay, sdtennisgal, since this thread is completely off the rails:

My favorite part of The City is The Presidio. Always will be. But I love my North Beach hangouts, especially the Washbag, and I'm sad that it's closed. Can only hope for its revival.

And I totally get the status factor about the neighborhood. Fortunately, being raised by an immigrant father, any sense of pretension got knocked outta me, fast.

Now you two have made me horribly homesick.

I'm drooling. Could you adopt me, please? I think gray suede boots are adorable. Just haven't found myself a pair.

Picture of boots and/or link, please!

I don't know how to do links, but..they were Prada, I think. Perhaps Louboutin....I am ashamed to admit it because of the price. I am looking to see if I can find something similar in the $750 range...or wait for Friends and Family at Saks.

They were Gorgeous. But looking for artistic copies are terrific. My favorite is Aqua...right next to Joie...same shirt $200 less......

Bloomingdales......

I must admit that in principle I have to agree with you. This silly exchange got off track and out of control over what I was intending as a cautionary comment. I have observed perfectly nice girls being cut to ribbons over a minor mis-step in their appearance during rush and was trying to be helpful. My sister's comment was very much in keeping with what I was afraid might happen. It was a snide remark but I thought it captured and demonstrated what I had hoped to head off. The PNM seemed to be a very nice girl who has done her homework and was seeking advice. My good intention went horribly wrong as I think the response triggered a resentment at what was seen by some as intrusion into a 'closed shop'. No intrusion was intended but when I was ordered to get out of the thread my reaction was to reject orders given by one who lacked the authority to issue said orders.
Anyway, I hope this issue has come to an end and as to our dispute I propose an ADR solution: When you are next in London please be my guest at my Inn of Court (Inner Temple) for lunch and a brew or three or perhaps a bit of claret. Afterwards we could observe English trial procedure at the Royal Courts of Justice across the street. Similar and different at the same time. PM me if OK with you. I think this thread has been off-subject far too long and absent any more attacks I now withdraw. Cheers.

"I thought I told you that we won't stop...."

~ Sean "Puffy" Combs/Puff Daddy/P. Diddy

Read:
1. "I made a comment that was out of line and inappropriate about a topic in which I have no expertise."
2. "I called someone sexist for telling me to stay in my lane without admitting the absolutely sexist nature of my first comment."
3. "I'm better than her and you and everyone else, blah blah blah."
4. "I'm not sorry for being a douchecanoe."
5. "I'm better than you blah blah blah."