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DrPhil 07-25-2011 12:01 AM

Her death has definitely been treated as a SIDE story.

33girl 07-25-2011 12:06 AM

Exactly. I haven't even seen anything on the BBC which is where I would expect it to be as she was much bigger there than she was here. PhoenixAzul might be able to fill us in on that if she pops in.

KSUViolet06 07-25-2011 12:13 AM

^^^^Right. I don't see this ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL OVER the news as compared to say, Michael Jackson's death (which really was on TV 24/7 for at least a week.) Not sure what TV people are watching. The top story is definitely Norway, which because I post in an Amy Winehouse thread, I obviously don't care about. Because people discussing celeb related news obviously don't care about current events.

Sidenote: some of the reactions to this I have seen are ridic, though. Ex: Oh, well she should have stopped doing drugs (a tweet from one of my brother's friends.)

Some folks really do not understand addiction at all. If you could "just stop" you would.


Lady Pi 07-25-2011 01:06 AM

I feel really bad for her and her family, having to go through her struggles and her death in such a public manner.

Have any more details come out about it? I don't know if it was an accidental overdose or a planned suicide. So strange about the age 27 coincidences!

KKGCaroline 07-25-2011 01:41 AM

R.I.P Amy
 
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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2073053)
Exactly. I haven't even seen anything on the BBC which is where I would expect it to be as she was much bigger there than she was here. PhoenixAzul might be able to fill us in on that if she pops in.

Its not been front page news over here due to the Norway Massacre, but it has definately been covered by all the channels and newspapers since she was found.

I agree that like most people, I could see it coming, Amy had been given so many chances to get clean, but she just couldn't shake off her demons.

However, when anybody passes, its a very sad occasion, and for the haters, please don't forget that Amy has family and friends that she has left behind.

BBC has just mentioned on the 6am news that her autopsy will be performed today, and that Amy's songs/albums have rocketed back up the itunes chart.

She, like the other members of the 27 club, had a great talent, which will be very much missed by her fans around the world. Hopefully after such a troubled life, she will now be able to rest in peace...

christiangirl 07-25-2011 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 2073002)
We can care about multiple things at once, you know, and you can care about anything you want - but it's unseemly to come into a thread ABOUT SOMEONE'S DEATH and say it's not a big fucking deal. Keep those sorts of opinions to yourself out of respect for the people mourning.

This is exactly what I was going to say. People can be sad about more than one thing at a time--we humans are all complex and stuff like that. Having a thread about this doesn't mean no one cares about those in Norway. It means thoughts and prayers for them are over in the Norway thread.

Funny how people can rant about seeing no respect for another's opinions yet they have no respect for another's death. One is not an idiot for having a different opinion but one is surely an idiot for essentially saying "I took all of this time and effort to come tell you this isn't worth my time and effort." I seriously hope none of these people post on here that their mother died and get the response, "Screw your mom, we're in a budget crisis."

Oh and bee tee dubs: Sen and Phil are awesomesauce.

LXA SE285 07-25-2011 02:00 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if it weren't an overdose so much as her body just giving out. There were reports several years back that she was already in the early stages of emphysema from chain-smoking and using crack. Not to mention her liver was probably ruined from drinking.

KKGCaroline 07-25-2011 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by christiangirl (Post 2073083)
Sen and Phil are awesomesauce.

^^ Spot On!

DrPhil 07-25-2011 09:45 AM

A version of this story just aired on The Early Show. So sad. :(

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?...ag=mncol;lst;2

Munchkin03 07-25-2011 10:49 AM

Russell Brand, no stranger to the agony of addiction himself, had this to say:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011...man?CMP=twt_gu

I am disgusted at the level of sanctimony leveled towards those who can't beat their demons. It makes me think that the people who can say these things have never met an addict--drug addict, alcoholic, or even a lifelong smoker.

One weird thing--I was listening to a Genius Mix based on "Back to Black," and it included songs by Janis Joplin and Jeff Buckley. Ack. :(

agzg 07-25-2011 10:53 AM

I've been seeing a lot of "Amy Winehouse doesn't deserve to be a member of the 27 club, she wasn't as prolific as Janis Joplin or Kurt Cobain" comments, which is weird to me.

I mean, she was an artist, she died at 27, she was famous... I'm not sure if there are many more requirements to being "a member of the club" if that's even a good thing to be.

Addiction is so hard. RIP Amy.

PiKA2001 07-25-2011 12:09 PM

REally? That is so dumb.

AOII Angel 07-25-2011 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg (Post 2073148)
I've been seeing a lot of "Amy Winehouse doesn't deserve to be a member of the 27 club, she wasn't as prolific as Janis Joplin or Kurt Cobain" comments, which is weird to me.

I mean, she was an artist, she died at 27, she was famous... I'm not sure if there are many more requirements to being "a member of the club" if that's even a good thing to be.

Addiction is so hard. RIP Amy.

God, it's not like it's something to be proud of. People astound me. Unfortunately fame and addiction rarely mix well. I saw Amy in August 2007 at Virgin Fest in Baltimore. She looked terrible, and her life and career spiraled just a month later. I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy, much less on someone with so much wasted talent.

33girl 07-25-2011 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 2073143)
Russell Brand, no stranger to the agony of addiction himself, had this to say:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011...man?CMP=twt_gu

Russell Brand has been growing on me more and more, and this just makes me straight up love him.

And I was just waiting for those "Amy isn't famous enough" comments to start coming. So effing stupid. Hello, there is a world outside the US...

Kevin 07-25-2011 03:36 PM

Tragic. I can't imagine getting too worked up about it though. I deal with addiction issues professionally every work day (and unfortunately on the weekends with some clients I regret giving my cell out to). I don't want to speculate as to what went wrong/who to blame. It's just damn tragic any time someone dies in such an extremely preventable way.

I don't see a reason to get overly worked up about this death or any other. They're all tragic. This one was in the news, it needs to be talked about, if for nothing else, to continue to expose the fact that addiction can be and often is a fatal illness.

I never really listened to her music, but from the little I've heard, I think she'll be remembered for a long time.

ASTalumna06 07-25-2011 08:13 PM

Why do I have a feeling that if this was someone who wasn't a mess because of drugs, everyone would have just come in here and said, "RIP Amy," and left it at that?

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 2073058)
^^^^Right. I don't see this ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL OVER the news as compared to say, Michael Jackson's death (which really was on TV 24/7 for at least a week.)

This is exactly the example I was going to use after reading through the first of these ridiculous comments. If Michael Jackson died yesterday, I'm pretty sure no one would have come into a thread about his death saying, "This doesn't matter!!! Pay attention to Norway!!!!!!!!"

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Originally Posted by christiangirl (Post 2073083)
I seriously hope none of these people post on here that their mother died and get the response, "Screw your mom, we're in a budget crisis."

Exactly. And you know that if it was THEIR family member who was on drugs and died, they wouldn't be singing the same tune.

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Oh and bee tee dubs: Sen and Phil are awesomesauce
Word.

DrPhil 07-25-2011 08:38 PM

I am going to start using "bee tee dubs." LOL.

That is all.

Benzgirl 07-25-2011 09:26 PM

I haven't been on GC since this happened and I am heart-broken. In her short life, she made such an impact on music. I keep playing her songs in my head.

On a different note, I have challenged many of my friends to this: If the same thing happened to Lindsey Lohan, would we all be so sad? Just curious?

33girl 07-25-2011 09:51 PM

I don't watch Lindsay Lohan's movies every week like I listen to Amy Winehouse's music every week...but I'm sure there are people out there who do and who would feel the same way.

If anything Lindsay's life as a whole has probably been sadder because of her immensely screwed up family situation. From all accounts, Amy comes from a very loving family that didn't treat her as a meal ticket.

agzg 07-25-2011 09:53 PM

I think Lindsay Lohan is very sad. :(

honeychile 07-25-2011 10:44 PM

The tragedy of Amy Winehouse's death is that she had such talent, she had a support group of people who were willing to help her keep clean, and she couldn't find her way out of the drug of the week club. This whole "27 Club" only glamorizes the whole junkie ordeal, IMHO. And I've dealt with too many junkies to see anything remotely glamorous about it.

I wish her family a world of peace.

DrPhil 07-26-2011 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by honeychile (Post 2073377)
This whole "27 Club" only glamorizes the whole junkie ordeal, IMHO. And I've dealt with too many junkies to see anything remotely glamorous about it.

I don't think the "27 Club" is being presented as glamorous or some musician rite of passage. There are similarities between the deaths of these people in that they 1) were musicians, 2) died at the age of 27, and 3) most of them had drugs or alcohol involved.

There is also a list of "27 Club" that includes people who are not documented as having drugs and alcohols involved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Club

If anything glamorizes being a junkie it is how the media and general public receive musicians who are alleged or known junkies. Many of these musicians don't hide their substance use/abuse (i.e., Amy Winehouse did concerts and appeared on camera when she was on drugs). Being a musician, in general, has been made synonymous with living a hard life and using substances for longer than any of us have been alive. As for today's musicians, I think I posted the link of the alleged junkie tendencies of artists like Bruno Mars and Lil Wayne.

DrPhil 07-26-2011 05:15 AM

Her funeral is today.

LXA SE285 07-26-2011 11:32 AM

Her autopsy was inconclusive. I'm still of the opinion that her body just shut down.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/438814...-entertainment

RIP :(

SWTXBelle 07-26-2011 03:33 PM

Y'all aren't the only ones . . .
 
http://www.salon.com/news/media_crit..._amy_winehouse

From the article:
Poor Amy Winehouse. Not only did the 27-year-old singer, who had a troubled history of drug and alcohol abuse, have the misfortune to die this weekend in London of yet undisclosed causes, she did so in the midst of an already jampacked cycle of terrible news. And everybody knows that a) people can only feel bad about one thing at a time, and that b) in what the U.K. Guardian helpfully refers to as the "hierarchy of death," it's wrong to care about a single individual when there are higher body counts elsewhere in the world. Let the sanctimony begin!

Munchkin03 07-26-2011 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by honeychile (Post 2073377)
TThis whole "27 Club" only glamorizes the whole junkie ordeal, IMHO. And I've dealt with too many junkies to see anything remotely glamorous about it.

Who's glamorizing it? I haven't heard anyone glamorizing it, if anything it makes this whole thing a little more tragic. The first time I heard anything about this being a club was when Kurt Cobain died. His mother said, "I told him not to go join that stupid club."

DrPhil 07-26-2011 06:26 PM

At the same time, some are speculating:

http://music.msn.com/music/article.a...0721&GT1=28102

AOII Angel 07-26-2011 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2073571)
At the same time, some are speculating:

http://music.msn.com/music/article.a...0721&GT1=28102

Yet he gives no evidence to back up his ridiculous claim. Maybe if he had evidence that she commited suicide or made statements to the fact, but otherwise, he should just shut up.:rolleyes:

DrPhil 07-26-2011 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 2073575)
Yet he gives no evidence to back up his ridiculous claim. Maybe if he had evidence that she commited suicide or made statements to the fact, but otherwise, he should just shut up.:rolleyes:

I initially thought the same thing but I think he's clear that this is all speculation.

AOII Angel 07-26-2011 08:00 PM

I don't know, it sounds more like a plug for his brand of rehab. He seemed to be bashing the rehab programs that she sorta went through and posits that his approach would have been better. I'm not buying his article.

honeychile 07-26-2011 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 2073538)
Who's glamorizing it? I haven't heard anyone glamorizing it, if anything it makes this whole thing a little more tragic. The first time I heard anything about this being a club was when Kurt Cobain died. His mother said, "I told him not to go join that stupid club."

I wasn't sure of the origin. I have heard junkies reach 28 and bemoan that they're too old for the club, though.

FWIW, there used to be a hotel next to my (street level) office. So many junkies would accidentally stumble into our office, it wasn't even funny. Especially when they'd pass out, and when we called the paramedics, they were less than thrilled to even touch them. I learned a lot from that, and am SO glad that place sold.

Benzgirl 08-23-2011 12:48 PM

No drugs in her body. Alchohol is TBD: http://wonderwall.msn.com/music/test...lery?GT1=28135


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