One is offensive to women and a reflection of the culture in an entire chapter. This is a drunk guy.

So, hopefully, people are backing off of "XY" sorority at USC now.

I couldn't believe that the 12pm news in So. Cal. actually ran the story about the USC Row being on social probation.

OK, I looked through this thread and didn't miss it. What would the felony be? Trespass? Or is a public sex act between two adults honestly a felony?

It's beyond indecent exposure into public indecency* and yes it is a felony. The key word there is 'public.' And if there were children around campus there's an increase in potential charges/consequences. Not to mention sex offender registry. You're surprised that that can be a felony when streakers can be required to register as sex offenders?

They might never get charged or just get cited but it's certainly a possible felony charge.

*Aka public lewdness or sexual misconduct

I was 7 when there were streakers. LOL. It isn't exactly a big thing nowadays like Rebecca Black or the myspace.

Not only that, doesn't it vary from state to state?

And the reason there aren't nearly as many streakers now...

It does, and it depends on the leeway in the state laws and the discretion of the prosecutors and the presence of children nearby and so on.

They could easily be hit by the city and county of Los Angeles separately as well as California. There wouldn't be any evidence without the pictures people took, and those pictures could harm the photographer as well. This is why naked pictures of yourself or others on your phone and sent out is not the brightest idea.

Some examples from LA County
http://search.municode.com/html/1627...HY_AND_.html#1
Misdemeanor is mentioned here, not felony http://search.municode.com/html/1627...ORMERS_.html#1

Didn't see anything for the city, though they are serious about overdue library books, the playing of a hurdy gurdy on a city street, the minimum amount of light required in a restaurant, and using a water closet or toilet for anything but a toilet. The County Code is mentioned a lot.

State Code is mostly misdemeanor, but there are mentions of felonies if someone was convicted for a similar act before.

^^^I give the person who typed out section 13.22.020 major props for keeping public and pubic straight.

Not to mention that the author of the Rules According to a Fraternity Cocksman specifically addressed it to the men of Kappa Sigma, pulling the fraternity into it and embarrassing the fraternity as a whole.

There is a huge difference between the two activities legally. From a fraternity's standpoint -- PR if nothing else, I don't see that much difference.

Honestly, it's not that difficult to get roof access. I will take my own campus as a prime example. MIT has a long-standing tradition of hacking, which comes in two aspects: the more public aspect of doing stunts like putting campus police cars on top of the Great Dome, and the more private aspect of just plain getting into spaces people aren't supposed to get into (which includes roofs, steam tunnels, abandoned elevator shafts, etc.) Incoming freshmen can participate in "Orange Tours" where they are taken into some of these forbidden areas with the assistance of experienced guides. (And, yes, you can be arrested if found in a forbidden area. MIT CPs aren't just rent-a-cops - they have to serve on the police force of an actual town or city before being hired, and they have the authority to arrest people.)

But I digress.

I would imagine that, after the "cocksman" email, the national officers of the fraternity felt they had to make an example of the brother "doing the deed" in a public place where he and his partner were easily caught on camera and he was so easily identifiable. People do stupid things when they get drunk (has it been established that either or both of them was drunk?). There's a certain thrill in gaining access to somewhere you shouldn't be, and I imagine that having sex in said place would be icing on the cake.

IMO, they also should have expelled (or at least reprimanded) the originator of the "cocksman" email (assuming they are not one and the same). I've read the full text of the email, and it was disgusting, to say the least.

i like that Part 2 FEMALE PERFORMERS AND WAITRESSES is dedicated to tits. and particularly:

It's still there:
http://totalfratmove.com/400211#comments

What I heard about this was that the guy was identified as a KappaSig, not specifically that it was THE guy who wrote the cocksman email. I could almost see if it was that specific guy though, as suspended & almost certainly going to be expelled tends to lead to pretty atrocious behavior.

Nice tan lines. TNF.

At least if this was the email writer, they could say "one bad apple" and be done with it.

The email guy and the rooftop guy are not one and the same.

It's funny though. Kappa Sig in general is a pretty tame house. The email guy apparently transferred in from a rowdier chapter that's gotten in trouble in the past. Generally our chapter--and I can say this lovingly as a friend who's an officer in the house said so himself--is borderline nerdy. It's somewhat amusing that our chapter of Kappa Sig has become the infamously "fratty" house of the west coast, when there are many other frats on the Row which probably more accurately depict the kind of lifestyle the email depicts. I guess the other frats just don't degrade women in public or on the Internet, but it's still definitely there, and much worse.

I'm impressed by the size of the black box myself.

I'm just thinking of Los Angeles being in California with a very active legal system, and that access turning into a law suit or a tort for not preventing (or having a notification system if the door is opened) access to a rooftop. This whole situation is an attractive nuisance in more way than one.


Individuals in and out of fraternities do it, they just haven't been caught or it hasn't gone public yet. The unfortunate thing about these incidents is that the back lash is so much worse and often goes too far, punishing people who haven't done this or have handled the one member here or there who is out of line with the rest. I know a lot of people cannot have their minds changed, nor does having a thought police force work, but getting people to check public behavior that exposes a whole system and group of people not involved in the problem is where it needs to start. That may leave chapters with kicking people out as their only option, which can be unfortunate but the best prevention and cure.

I gotta say, our probation isn't doing too much except moving parties to the weekends. IFC's doing PR work but since the problems are caused mostly by one frat, other houses here are just pissed at them for getting us all in trouble.

Last semester after probation ended people were itching to get back to the row and even more people were sent to the hospital, which gets us in trouble even more, and it's going to repeat.

Man up and do something to prevent it, then.

LOL