I can't see Dan sticking around too much longer if they do swap. He can't do challenges, and he's a moron. I don't understand why you would wear $1800 alligator shoes on Survivor, much less admit that you're weak at challenges that involve mud when you're in the middle of the rainforest. They should have saved him for Survivor: Sahara. His only shot is either his new team going on a winning streak, or ending up on a team with Nay who doesn't appreciate minority status like Sash and Brenda do.

The Wednesday-not-Thursday reminder.

Don't know if anyone has seen it or not, but the preview at CBS.com shows which tribe almost everyone ends up on. I won't give that away in case anyone wants to be surprised, but there are a couple of people in particular for whom things could be very interesting -- and difficult -- tonight..

At least the new tribes are somewhat more equal physically.

:rolleyes::rolleyes: at Nay. GO HOME HEFFA! I think they made a huge mistake last night.


Also, that challenge was terrible. That water that the girls were sucking in looked NASTY!

I found it really interesting that when there was discussion about sending Nay's soap opera twin home last night, we didn't see Chase mention that she has an idol. Did he keep that info to himself? Was it actually clear that Nay wasn't really in danger? Did he tell but the editors didn't show it (yet) because it didn't matter last night? Hmmmm.

Meanwhile, Marty needs to learn to keep his mouth shut.

I thought about the HII as they were at Tribal...I was wondering if she was really that ready to quit that she would let herself get voted out holding the Idol. I really think she's about the most insecure person I've ever seen on Survivor. Between the lashing out, oversharing, and literally being *afraid* of *rain*...

I wondered a little if she even has it. The place we saw her hide it was in her sock/shoe --she doesn't have many other options. That wouldn't be good during a challenge. Did she live it at camp? Do the producers get her stuff from the old camp and move it to the new camp?

Someone please tell me WHY THE HECK they ate a hen when they had a rooster?! The hen will lay eggs...the rooster is just good food!

I'm guessing none of them knew that eggs will keep coming without a rooster, though I would have thought someone on that tribe would know that.

ETA: In his Reality News Online interview, Tyrone says that "some of the ladies" said that a rooster was necessary for egg production, and no one else knew enough about it to say otherwise.

And what exactly did Marty think La Flor should have done about NaOnka battling KellyB for the HII clue? Or did his strategic mind not grasp what not doing anything about it might say about alliances at La Flor?

Anyone other than AlphaFrog and me watching? :D

Let me get this straight -- Brenda and her alliance orchestrated a plan to flush or neutralize Marty's idol, and when he doesn't play the idol they vote Kelly out? What were they thinking? Or why weren't they thinking?

Meanwhile, I think I have to take back some of what I said about Jud/Fabio. He is fun to watch, and I still think he may go a long way into the game, but the boy seems to be really gullible. If he's thinking strategically -- beyond being good in challenges and being easy to get along with -- I haven't seen too much of it.

I'm watching, but I'm not on GC as often as I used to be, so I haven't been around much in order to contribute.

Thank you. Hubby and I asked each other the same question. The only thing about it that makes any sense is the potential for Kelly's disability to make her a shoo-in for the winner. But that's assuming she makes it to the final 2 (or is it 3 this season?).

I don't know... I'm just not feeling it this season. It might be the Wednesday night effect, or it could be the original division of old vs. young, or it could be that they're not editing it in a favorable way. But for whatever reason, I'm pretty disappointed in Survivor this time around.

My daughter isn't blogging it due to some troll trauma, and I have to admit that has stolen a great deal of my usual interest.

I'm watching, although I watched it Thursday and haven't had a chance to share thoughts about it. It was clear that the tribe didn't discuss what to do if there was a tie if Marty didn't play his idol!

Votes went like this the first time:

3 Kelly B
3 Marty
2 Brenda

1 Brenda vote and 1 Marty vote were eliminated. Because Jill had voted for Brenda the 1st time, she switched her vote to Kelly B , which gives you 4 for Kelly B, 2 for Marty. Someone else clearly switched their vote to Kelly B. Who was the lone vote for Marty? I don't remember and the website doesn't give us that info anymore. They were idiots!

I really hope Marty and Jill pull this off and stick around somehow.

I literally just finished watching. (BUSY, BUSY week).

I don't even have words for the madness that occurred. W.T.F. was Brenda thinking??

I wouldn't mind to see Jill do well, but I really hope Marty goes home soon. He and Nay are my two least favorite players this season.

Oh, and here's my "Survivor's on tonight, not tomorrow night" reminder.

Thank you for the reminder. I'm a little shocked at what's gone on so far, although TC hasn't happened yet. Someone is more stupid than I thought.

I would have liked to have seen Jill throw her vote at Marty. I know she didn't know how the numbers would shake out, but it would have made it interesting, since we already know those people are terrible at contingency planning. And it's not like she would have anything to loose - one of them was going to be gone anyway. I think it very well would have been an opportunity for them to get rid of Marty without Sash "breaking his word".

What the heck at us being at the merge next week and I still don't really know everyone's names. I see the Kelly that's still around and I think "Who the hell is that?".

I don't know why, but the sound effects they were using for Jud during the reward challenge were cracking me up! And el oh el about him peeing in the pool. Yeah, gross, but he had a point about the water already being nasty-dirty.

That would have been awesome, but it would have taken Jill and someone else to vote for Marty to keep her in the game -- otherwise, it would have been a tie and Marty probably would have won the tiebreaker.

Meanwhile, I really couldn't believe he gave Sash the idol. Yeah, he was going to lose it either way, but if he had played it, no one else would have had it either.

And what about Sash's slip? Brenda and Jud both seemed a bit taken aback at that.

Ah, Sash... I don't think they can trust him as far as they can throw him. I think he meant what he said. I also think that if he's going to lie, he needs to get better at it. When Jeff asked if he would hand the idol over, he should have immediately responded in the affirmative (and then he could have thrown in the caveat that there was no reason to at that point). And I'm still convinced that he is gay. Not that means anything other than he was a liar from the start.


:rolleyes: At Nay's behavior on the preview. Not that I expected less, but I hope it backfires big time.

Me too - that is going to be ugly.

Okay, about the Marty non-vote, I don't get it. Was Sash trying to be honorable?

You mean the fact that they voted Jill out instead of Marty, or Sash not voting for Marty?

Per the voting clip at CBS.com, the agreement was that Jill should be the one to go. But it apparently was also decided that Jud and Jane would vote for Marty just in case there was a second hidden immunity idol and Jill had it. Were she to play one, that would result in a tie between Marty and Jane, and Marty would have lost the second vote.

Had it been me, I would have lobbied to take Marty out instead of Jill.

And did anyone notice that at TC, Purple Kelly was wearing Jud's shirt? And speaking of Jud, I now take back what I said last week, when I took back what I said about Jud early in the season. (Follow that?) We did see strategic thinking out of Jud last night -- we even saw Sash asking him what he though the plan should be -- and we also saw that he wasn't as enamored of Marty as last week made it look like he might be. Propst makes an interesting observation in his blog:

Everybody keeps saying Fabio is crazy, or maybe not the sharpest tool – but I wonder how crazy he really is? Is he playing everybody including us? That was my question from day one. I was never sure if his surfer boy responses were 100% genuine or a bit of a character he’s created. I’m guessing a bit of both.

Yes, the fact that he voted for Jill, and that she got ousted instead of Marty. Marty is like the teflon don, overbloated ego, irritating, everybody knows he should go, but he just keeps sticking around. Maybe the edit is worse than he is, but I can't stand him, he's reaching Naonka dislike for me and that's saying alot.

I think Fabio/Jud is actually alot smarter than he's coming off, and it could totally be on purpose. When Jeff asked him if he knew what Freudian was, he gave a quick and intelligent answer - unlike the couple on the amazing race - London is a country.

I think he's putting on a persona, and it's working for him. Maybe that's how he is in life, maybe just for the show - who knows. Isn't he also an Abercrombie model? dumb, blonde surfer dude who models for A&F, perfect under the radar but pretty to look at. I'd keep him around.

I really couldn't believe Marty gave the idol to Sash. That seemed like one of the dumbest moves ever. Is Marty going to turn into the guy that everybody wants to take to the final since he is so disliked that it would be easier to win against him?

I also think Jud "Fabio" (cracks me up that everybody is calling him that!) is smarter than he's letting on.

I really dislike Brenda. Really. Dislike. Brenda. She's just as arrogant as Marty. I think she'll be getting hers soon.

In her interview on Realith News Online, Jill speculated that the reasons she was voted out over Marty were that she and Marty were essentially seen as one unit and she had a stronger track record in challenges than he did. I think AGDee may be right -- Marty might make better jury fodder than Jill and he has few options (if any) alliance-wise.

I think it's only a matter of time (and a short one, at that) before Brenda aims for Sash, and vice versa. Sash certainly had a poorly timed Freudian slip at TC.

Marty made a move that I can't understand and I have to attribute it to lack of food or some such thing. He must have been lightheaded and weak at the time.

The first five minutes after the merge will be the most interesting moments on this whole season, IMO.

Nay...OMGWTFBBQ? That's all I have to say about that.

Meanwhile, I knew Chase was from Fairview, NC...but I failed to realize that it's like 10 min. from my house. (I never go that direction) That's kinda cool.

I was pretty surprised by last night's vote. I didn't remember Alina being on the outs so much. What did she do (prior to her association with a thief) to earn so many votes?

And UGH! at Nay's attitude and behavior. I hate that the show is designed in a way that makes it attractive for good players to take bad players to the final. SHE STOLE YOUR FOOD AND COOKING SUPPLIES, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. VOTE HER THE EFF OFF! I loved the way Fabio handled the confrontation, though.

I'm pretty disappointed with the way things are looking, honestly. I'm not impressed with many of the players who are left (although Jane impresses me a bit more each week). I'd really like to see Marty and Nay go home soon. Unfortunately, I don't think that'll happen. I want to post my picks for the final three, but it seems like every time I do that, the players I pick are the next to go home. Oooh, I know...

Final three: Nay, Marty and Dan.

:D

He lives in Nashville (Tenn) now, but he was living in Fairview while he was working in the Hendrick pitcrew. He was a linebacker for UNC.

I laughed when Marty went on yet another one of his rants (seriously, what is Dr. Strategy thinking?) and said something about "Miss Jane" being from South Carolina. Them's fighting words. And what's "South Dakota Word of Honor."

Okay, is nobody out there thinking? Nay? Stealing food? Really?

Brenda, Sash and company? Why, why, why do they keep voting off someone other than Marty? They deserve anything that happens to them for not voting him off last week or the week before, or at least this week.

Jane? Yes, she's right about Marty, but her insistence on voting for him regardless of what her alliance is doing isn't smart. And Jud? Okay, you like having Marty around camp. (I'm not sure why, except that he's an improvement on NaOnka.) That's not why you lobby not to to vote him out. (Can I hope that was just a line he fed Alina?)

It just makes my head hurt. Where's Shii Ann when we need her: "Stupid, stupid people."


And Sydney, Alina's problem was that she was aligned with Kelly B in the original La Flor tribe, putting her outside the controlling alliance. That, plus she thought strategically, making her a threat.

Meanwhile, I was so hoping that someone would suggest that the new tribe -- a merge of La Flor and Espada -- be named Florada.

I never thought I would say this, but I want Russell back! He may have played a villian, but at least there was some strategy going on. Brenda is probably the most strategic one out there...and that's not saying much for them. Marty has good strategic ideas, but I wouldn't call him a good strategic player because he can't keep his mouth shut and keeps tipping his hand. And speaking of tipping hands, while it was entertaining to watch Jane whip everyone's tails in the challenge, I think it was foolish for her to do. Anything that calls attention to a particular strength you have in this game is not a good idea at this point.

Yes, yes, yes. It ties in with what I said about her voting for Marty despite what the rest of her alliance is doing. She's letting her feelings toward him control her gameplay. Bad idea.

And ditto on Marty as well -- I think he has good strategic ideas but terrible execution. We did see some strategy from NaOnkna last night, though, at least when she wasn't getting dirt in the flour.

I just remembered something from last week that never came up: Jane eating that fish on the sly. If nothing has come of it yet, I doubt anything will...but I'm shocked that she actually got away with it. Now, there are two debates to be had here.

1. Did she deserve it?
And
2. Whether she deserved it or not, was it worth the risk?

1. In my eyes as a viewer, she has been working her tail off while everyone else lazies around...she deserved it. But I doubt her tribemates would have felt that way. I would be interested to know their reactions when they saw it on TV.

2. I don't think it was worth the risk. While she is in the. majoriry alliance, she's obviously at the bottom, and people have shown that they will take out people in the bottom of their alliance over people outside their alliance for (perceived) slights.


By the way, the alliances seem to me to be very blurry. I can't tell at this point who stands where...especially Chase, Fabio, Kelly and Holly. It would seem that they are with Brenda, Sash, Nay, and Jane, but that's really too many people to be defined as an alliance. Marty is obviously on the outs with everyone and Dan doesn't have a strategic bone in his body. I haven't got a clue about Benry, and actually had to go look him up to figure out who I was missing.

I just read Jeff's blog here. His "discovery" about Nay is below:

"From a maturity point of view, Naonka is a seven-year-old. That’s it. That’s my big discovery.

When dealing with Naonka you simply have to treat her as you would a first-grader. Think about it. She’s selfish. She’s a know-it-all. She’s defiant. She’s a rule tester. She denies everything and only apologizes when she is actually caught doing something. She behaves in every conceivable way as though she were seven years old.
...
Even I have to admit…stealing the food was one of the most brazen things I’ve ever seen on our show. Outright crazy until you remember, she’s only seven."

Can you imagine how angry she'll be at Jeff when she reads this? In response, I'm sure she'll do nothing but prove him right - I can see the tantrum already. I love that Jeff calls it like he sees it.

I wonder... when he decides to retire, could anyone possibly convince him to be a contestant?

^^^Oh God, I hope so. Although if he ended up on a tribe where even one of them didn't have rocks tor brains, he'd be the first to be voted out. Who wants to play pick-up ball against Michael Jordan?

I don't really think the question is did she deserve (though I'd say she did). She outwitted them. If they're stupid enough or lazy enough to have her go off by herself to get food for everybody, then they really can't complain if she used the opportunity to keep some for herself. (Yeah, I know they would complain, but they're not justified in complaining.)

As for the risk, it was risky. I had to assume she knew how long they would expect her to be gone (and that they never came looking for her, or much less came to help), and she knew that she could start a fire, cook a fish and extinguish the fire before anyone wondered where she was. She also must have felt secure that she could build a fire that wouldn't attract attention. I thought it was a great move, and I assume at this point no one knew until they saw it on TV. No one caught her, and they've moved to the other campsite, so how would they know unless she 'fessed up? I don't see that happening.

As for the alliance(s), I really think it's another "onion alliance," with Brenda, Sash and NaOnka at the center and everyone else but Benry, Marty and maybe Dan layered on closer to or further from the center. The outer layers don't seem to be catching on to that, though.

"You are a 100% Grade A dirt squirrel" LOL!

So much to say about last night's episode!

I'm happy with the vote, but I can't believe that, despite all her shenanigans, Nay is still around. Is it possible that she'll be taken to the final because everyone thinks she'll be easy to beat, just to win the whole thing because she's playing an open game? She's not trying to hide her true, no matter how unlikeable, personality. Still, I'm happy to see Marty go, so I won't complain.

I wish they had shown the random selection of the two teams for the reward challenge. That would've been fun to watch. I was proud of the ladies for keeping up in the challenge as well as they did.

Does anyone know what the previews are about? Did their camp catch on fire or something? If you know what happens, please pm me!

I love how Jeff sort of gave Nay an out to say "Yeah, you're right, I'm just putting on an act, I'm not REALLY a lying, stealing, low-class, trashy bitch", and instead, she does the EXACT OPPOSITE and completely confirms all of the aforementioned adjectives. At this point, I think people are correct that she'll make it to the end because everyone thinks that no one would vote for her. It could end up like Sandra winning Heroes v. Villains, though, where people didn't particularly LIKE her, but she also didn't DIRECTLY piss anyone off by helping to vote them off (yes, she's voted most of the time against the person who went home, but she was by no means the deciding factor).

I guess we also got some clarity as to where the alliance lines are drawn...but I was still wondering who the eff was on the zipline when Benry was first shown. I still forget about him.

I agree with AF (and Jeff's comments at tribal) that taking her to the end must look really attractive to the others. I don't think she'd win at the end, but stranger things have happened, I guess.

I was really going to be so mad at them if they didn't send Marty packing.

As to the preview, CBS.com says "One team returns to camp to find their worst nightmares have come true." It shows Dan, Benry, Brenda, Sash and Holly, so I'm guessing they were a team (the losing team?) in the reward challenge. They seem to be looking at something on the gound though. Maybe an animal came in and killed the chicken (and the rooster if he's still around)?

Bump.
Based on the preview shown during TAR, it is indeed a fire at the campsite.

One would think that 25 days at camp would be enough time for people to learn some basic camp-protocol. What were they thinking?

Hey! Let's surround our campfire with WOODEN CHESTS, filled with supplies, and then leave it unattended while we all go away for the day!

:rolleyes:

I was surprised they didn't show the reaction from the reward-winners when they returned to camp.

Decent episode, though. Jane was pretty impressive in the immunity challenge. And it looks like Nay is back to her typical 7 year old self, based on the previews.

I felt bad for them... up until I saw them shoving those chests up against the fire and covering the fire with wooden boards. I mean, really. I get that cold/starvation/dehydration/whatever can limit your thinking, but come on.