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and boom goes the dynamite.

Hey clown, it doesn't take a genius to figure you out.

Low post count in this type of thread...c'mon son.

Step your game up.

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1947051)

Minimum wage isn't under the table though, it's absolutely unlivable. You need job skills to get a job over the table, and most Mexican immigrants are not highly educated.

There's a reason why there's a stereotype of illegal immigrants living in large numbers within a tiny apartment or home. Pooling money make things possible. Also manual labor CAN pay fairly well instead of paying under minimum, some employers will just pay under the fair wage instead. Still a rip off.

It's possible to squeak by if you have 2 minimum wage jobs and a shitty apartment and just you and your spouse. Varies based on where you live, but you pretty much need some sort of assistance/charity to do more than that. (Not to mention ER bills if you get sick/hurt.)

I actually recommend the episode of 30 days on this issue.

Goticha...wasn't trying to combine mw and under the table...just adding it in to the point in general.

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Originally Posted by super.fly (Post 1947040)

No. Once you open the flood gates you will increase the number of people competing for the same number of dollars. It will only make things worse. Once one shady company cuts corners then it forces the next one in line to do the same. Amnesty won't solve any problems.

Is amnesty going to create more jobs? Are the illegals who are now legal with 6th grade educations going to create jobs? Are they going to contribute enough to the system to cover their health care costs and the 12k per student for public school? If not then who do you think will pay those costs? Do you think people that have to cover those costs will not complain?

Amnesty is not intended to solve problems in and of itself. Problems are solved through a combination of efforts over long periods of time. People are looking for quick fixes that don't exist.

Don't fret, your proposed solutions also suck in and of themselves. ;) It's a Sucky Solutions Party.

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1947053)

Goticha...wasn't trying to combine mw and under the table...just adding it in to the point in general.

Yeah I understand.

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Originally Posted by PiKA2001 (Post 1947037)

Listen bitch, I pay more taxes in one month then you probably do all year...

LOL. This was both funny and dumb.

I'm apathetic towards amnesty. The pros and cons should be highlighted and implementing it should not be presented and interpreted as a sure fix to the decades-worth of social issues.

I wish there was a way to do an updated Bracero Program for the 2000s. A way to bring workers in to do the seasonal or migrant jobs that frankly most people in the US can't or won't do. This provides a way to track who is here, make sure their work environment is safe, and though we'd pay more for products but not as much as if we paid citizens the 10+ dollars an hour they want.

Granted the original Bracero act was full of issue with treatment and racism, and it was war time, but if people are doing the jobs anyway, why not provide a way to do it that covers more of the bases for workers, consumers, and employers, as well as government.

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Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel (Post 1947079)

The U.S. issues out H-2 Visas which cover agricultural workers, but that's nowhere near the scope of the bracero program.

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Originally Posted by PiKA2001 (Post 1947112)

The U.S. issues out H-2 Visas which cover agricultural workers, but that's nowhere near the scope of the bracero program.

Yeah, I'm thinking more of having a structured program with particular farms and some federal and maybe state government involvement to protect the workers and the companies. Like wages being held/monitored by the government to make sure workers aren't ripped off, and that there is adequate food and housing, as well as not using nasty pesticides and herbicides as well as water and safe transportation. If people are in groups and accounted for they can't take off as easy, and if someone does something naughty immediate deportation.

This would also protect businesses as they can't be accused of being crappy as easily, and consumers would buy things they know don't have a bad association with the process, and cut down on rumors and paranoia. It will cost more money but if I knew a company didn't treat workers as sub human I'd be more likely to buy their product. This also could help smaller farmers as well be viable. We do things like this for fire fighters, and that's a hell of a lot more complicated coordinating food, buses, lodging, and so on.

Of course I don't advocate this for Detroit, as their farms will be worked by local Detroiters ;)