But even NPC organizations do not make the smoking stipulation, and in many NPC organizations, stipulations like this appear in chapter bylaws.

For my chapter, according to the bylaws, I could not smoke without crossing my legs and had to hold the cigarette in my hand the whole time rather than hang it out of my mouth. No joke. No mention of whether or not I was allowed to smoke with my legs crossed and the cigarette in my hands if were wearing letters.

Debating rules like this makes no sense. If an org has a rule, nationally, then they do, and if they do not, it's just up to the chapters to decide what's best for them. End of story. Expecting every other org to follow your chapter's rules is stupid.

I think the point that these are often chapter rules is important here, you're not just arguing with every other org, but within your org as well.

It's silly.

Begin and end post here.

Damn, I should've QFP. :confused:

I tried but was too late.

Stupid PNM is stupid.

You are being very rude DrPhil, I am not in a sorority yet but I know girls around here aren't allowed to wear letters to drink even when it is the pledge class going out together.

Wow. Did you even read the last page of this thread? I mean... really?

I can ask my neighbor, my cousins in Alabama, my mom, and all my older friends and they will say they aren't allowed to even have the letters on a key ring when they go to Beale Street or a bar across from school.

I read the page nobody is saying it is against every sororities rules but I am saying around here atleast none of them wear letters to go out or in the sororities I know of in other states. It is a rule used more than not.

But you can't answer it for yourself since you're not greek and don't have letters to wear. Your opinion doesn't count.

Wrong. IN YOUR AREA it may be used. Unless you've visited every single chapter of every single sorority you have no idea whether it's common or not. Shut up now.

QFP (this post is a lot shorter than the stupid one that you deleted). Begin and end post at the bolded.

QFP

You are all being rude, I can name the chapters at U. Memphis, my moms at U. Tenn and my cousins at North Alabama and they don't wear letters when they go out to drink. I know if more southern girls post on here they will say they don't wear letters to bars! I actually get why because you don't want the chapter associated with underage drinking and if you are 21 you want to look cute when you go out but it still is a rule that walks a fine line, if a girl does get wasted and is 18 ppl still know she is a XY. Nanners52674, I can have one of my current sorority friends get on here and tell you they don't wear letters when they go out. Your little attitude is what makes girls not want to join a sorority because you make it like it is a privilege to join and only a certain kind of girl is good enough to be you, when it is something anyone should join for a bond of friendship and fun.

Then shut up and go away.

QFP.

Alright, benefit of the doubt for one moment.

The "policy" of not allowing people to drink in letters is frequently implemented at the chapter level and is sometimes supported purely by tradition. Your experience, however, does not make it a universal fact. For many, avoiding drinking while in letters is something they choose to do, but it is not something they are required to do.

Regarding the bolded, you can take your attitude and trot on back to your mama. It is my privilege to be a member. It is my privilege to have sisters. It is their privilege to have me as a member. That's how this works. "Friendship and Fun" are not in my motto.

LOL. I love how the benefit of the doubt was in paragraph 1 and not paragraph 2.

ETA: I hope the OP got her topic addressed to her satisfaction. LOL. As for the other topic in this thread, I really don't understand why it's so hard for some people to grasp. Tradition isn't synonymous with "rule" and "universal." You need to know what the "rules" are for your GLO (not just for the chapters that you know about) and don't even BEGIN to hypothesize about and try to enforce the "rules" for other GLOs.

It was only for a moment. ;)

You're missing my point. I can get on here and tell you my org has a policy on it because I'm a member of a sorority. Since you're not you can't actually comment on it. You know that, hence why you are offering to get a friend to prove you right. Just sit down and shut up.

And if you do go through recruitment I hope your lovely know it all about greek life attitude shines through to all the chapters.

OK. And you're being stupid. Our points are valid, and you're acting a fool.

Bow, minions, Dr. Phil has spoken. There is to be no more discussion.

I SAID BOW.

:rolleyes:

You don't have to experience something to know it is a fact. I didn't experience the Titanic but I know it sank. Agzg as for points being made since no one has been to every single chapter in America it is just opinions as each of you said I have no proof these are rules you have no proof they aren't. Traditions are unspoken rules. It isn't a rule to hold the door for a women or call your teacher Mrs. Jones but we do. Atleast at U. Memphis in my next door neighbors pledge binder from fall 08 one rule is no letters when going out. It doesn't have to turn into a catty battle just because each of you think you are right.

Bless your heart dear, look at the quoted part. At Memphis they are not allowed to go out in letters. At my school it was a campus panhellenic rule. What the other posters are trying to tell you is that rules such as not going out in letters and no smoking are campus and chapter specific. It may seem to you that everyone has these rules because they are pretty common in the south, but that is more of a regional/ tradition thing. I have read the DDD bylaws completely and there is no rule that saws we cannot drink or smoke in our letters. I choose not to because that was our campus rule and old habits die hard. Please think before you decide to argue and antagonize the posters here. As a PNM you really have no idea what you are talking about, even if your mother is greek. You need to just sit back, read the helpful advice on this site, and be quiet. There are many southern sorority alumnae and actives that post on and read this site. You would hate to say something that could damage your recruitment.

To quote myself from back in the day:

Here's your ball, you can take it and go home if you want.

Get over me.

Am I supposed to recognize Alumiyum's username? It's typing to me like I'm supposed to.

If I used irritating internet abbreviations I think ROTFLMAO would be the appropriate one. Apparently this is the sandbox...but I'm all for getting in touch with my inner kindergartner, so I'm game.

Here's two tips:
1. Take your own advice.
2. Just don't be such a rancid bitch. Go pet a kitten or something.

:D

PS-Taking your own advice means strapping on those big girl panties and not responding. Challenge! Can the all powerful do it? And go...

I saw this thread bumped and my first thought was, "Ugh, hasn't this died already?"

So does my uncontrollable laughter make me a minion?

@Dr. Phil: Master, how can I serve you?:rolleyes:

Wow, is there any reason you insist on being such a bitch all the time?

Yep. :D Dr. Phil is an insufferable bitch to me without fail, so I amuse myself by giving the same in return. Hey, when no one is a complete cow to me, I'm sweet as honey. :)


Of course, I also remember at all times this is the internetz. Don't take it all so seriously. I'm sure Dr. Phil acts like an actual adult in real life, as do I. This is an internet forum...it's ok to let off some steam.

No, I'm pretty sure I've thought you were a bitch every time you've posted. You just keep proving it, though.

Your point in this thread was wrong. Maybe drinking rules are more common but smoking rules definitely are not. There's no need to get your panties in a bunch about it, though.

In that case you might be too sensitive for an internet forum. I can't imagine how posts about things like service projects or social events can be bitchy, but hey, whatever floats your boat. Might as well find some way to entertain yourself. Don't get me wrong, tit-for-tat isn't limited to Dr. Phil by any means, it just seems that is one particular poster that is incapable of posting anything but "you're stupid" or "fuck off" towards me, so hey, might as well have fun with it. The day they post something civil, adult, and on topic in response to a post of mine they will of course get the same in return. It just hasn't yet happened. But every day is a new day! :D

So in response to what you've written here, I'll respond twofold:
-You're a bitch. You call people a bitch, therefore you are one. So, azgz, you are a bitch. I am a bitch. We are all bitches, let's sing and dance! :rolleyes:
-You haven't read any of my posts, I'll guess, except the ones playing the Dr. Phil sandbox game, because your assumption of my "point" is incorrect. Though both of those ARE common "rules", "traditions", whatever you want to call them among individual chapters, that was in no way my "point" in this thread. If I get bored later I'll re-read to make sure I wasn't inordinately ambiguous in my posts, but I don't believe I was. And listen, in the interest of everyone having a good time...if you're going to get your panties in the mother of all knots, you might as well be the hall monitor for everyone on this thread who is throwing sand on the playground. I'm not the only one...come on, where's your righteous indignation at the other nasty posts in this thread? There's no satisfaction in a job half-done.


Again, this is the internetz. If someone responds to your posts consistently with "you're stupid", "you're a bitch", "you're dumb" etc. and you have a little fun with it, I won't judge you for it. It's a far more enjoyable experience when you chill out.

Kittens for everyone!
http://savasplace.com/wp-content/upl...ing_kitten.jpg
Now if that doesn't cheer you up I recommend stepping away from the computer screen. If kitties can't fix it, you're too worked up.

A. If you're going to post to me, get my username right, thanks.
B. I have thoughts as to whose sockpuppet you may be, but I have and will continue to keep that to myself.
C. I stopped reading that post once you messed up my username. Even if you hadn't messed it up, I still wouldn't have read it. EDIT PEOPLE!
D. Does PINEAPPLE work on anyone else but als?

Geez, you are way past kittens. Try this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XQ1D6vW6IQ

Now if that doesn't make you smile, you might be a cyborg.

For someone who claims not to care about "the internetz" you sure do feel like you have to go on and on about HOW you don't care and WHY you don't care and REALLY it's all messing around.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

What else am I supposed to do until lunch break? I've been watching videos of baby pandas all morning, too, so I'm quite chipper. :D Damn the slow economy and the empty shop this morning.;)

That is really interesting. It just goes to show how chapters and other GLOs have different rules.

Knowing agzg's school, I kind of doubt that this rule was enforced very much. Sort of like the law that was on the books somewhere (for some reason, I think it might have actually been State College) about women not being allowed to wear overly large hats.

Holy shit. Seriously? Sieg Heil, Panhel. (And yes I know I just Godwined the thread.) Does Panhel make other rules regarding individuals' actions and appearance? This seems way over the top, even for the South. Panhel doesn't know what each group's letters stand for, how can they make rules regarding the wearing of them??

Oh, and for all the bashing of silly rushee remmie, she was correct in saying it's asinine to have rules about "OMG NO ____ IN LETTERS!" when everyone knows what group everyone is in anyway. But that's been stated approximately 20000000 times on here.

No it was never enforced. D will have my head for this (probably) but I have pictures of us openly mocking that rule.

I'm just saying, that was the only smoking rule we had. No other chapter on campus had a similar one.

I distinctly remember rules in our chapter bylaws that stated that we could neither drink beer out of the bottle nor walk around with a cigarette.

Again, if I'm supposed to recognize this bitch's username prior to this thread, someone please tell me. It remembers me so congrats to the bitch. Awesome.