You're ignoring my point.

Just because Scouting qualifies as a fraternity in the eyes of the poster doesn't mean it would be an ideal sampling of fraternity life.

SydneyK's response is accurate however I view race dynamics as more complex than that so I won't open that can of worms.

I got YOUR point.

These groups are examples of fraternal organizations in the broad sense of the term. But when someone says "fraternity" the ideal example isn't Boy Scouts or Kappa League.

So basically what u are saying is that in order for a fraternity to be a fraternity...u must be 18 years or older and in college, go through an initiation period, and it must consist of 3 greek letters? If so, does that means that Masons and OES are not Fratern(soror)ities? As I stated...KL/SB/SOS are clubs...however they are fraternities for the reason that they are for a group of people who share a common purpose and interest. They are sponsored by KAPsi, APhiA, and PhiBSigma but while the students get into these clubs...the advisors do mention that we are not on the level as the fraternity that sponsors us. For example, Since I am in KLm They tell us not to wear the Crimson and Cream, wear any KAPsi paraphernalia, say that you rep KAPsi, do the KAPsi hand sign, and any other things that deal with their fraternity.

There's people in these groups that really want to take part in the KAPsi, APhiA, or PhiBSigma when dey go to college, however many people join the group for support/mentoring, and it also looks good on college applications.

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I am A Member of Omega Phi Xi high school band fraternity Inc. we step we party greek wear spray painted marching brows. We go through being a Pledge Intake process wood back neck physical thangs etc its worth it brotherhood. We are not Little brothers of any national black fraternity at all. We are a independent ORG WE LIVE UP TO ARE PURPOSE. ALL members of Omega Phi Xi band Fraternity Inc. are great musicians and we do community service for our city detroit and our High school King High Our Principal knows about our Org and approves things we will like to do around the school . Accourse we Will go to our perspective colleges and pledge our orgs of choice but we plan for our org to be in all urban high school marching bands in THE U.S. We got Incorporated within a year after being founded cuz any high school org can wear greek letters but we took it to a next level and got Incorporated and mostly college orgs hold Inc on there orgs. We just striving to put our frat on da map we known in our detroit high school district bands and people dats just students.

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There are a couple of fraternities like Sigma Rhomeo that do not have 3 Greek letters. Other than that, YES.

Yes. Many Masons and OES consider themselves the beginning of fraternal organizations but do not want to be relegated to the "fraternity" and "sorority" title.

I wish you well and hope you are focusing on scholastic achievement in addition to the other things you're focusing on.

I know college is not all about greek education period

I Plan to go to Jackson State University and be part of the Sonic Boom of the South and major is Mechanical engineering and minor in music

whatever happened to just wanting to be prom king/queen?

oh well, imitation is supposed to be the sincerest form of flattery?

Is it just me or have there been a lot of high school students coming out of the woodwork lately? Especially those interested in joining/are currently members of NPHC auxiliary groups?

Did someone post the GC link on a high school message board or something?

I was a mademoiselle in high school. Some kids in need something productive to do with their time, I think the groups can be very positive, and if you have a good sponsor like I did, who just so happened to be a Delta from Tuskegee, you learn that its not just about stepping. It was about building relationships, growing into adulthood, being responsible, helping in your communities, etc. Hell, I said I wasnt even going to college before I became a part of that group.. but my sponsor was so positive.. and such a beautiful woman in my opinion, I wanted to be "like her"..
I ran into her at convention in Vegas and literally started crying because I was so happy to see her and to show her who had become because of her... In saying all that, sometimes, its about so much more than just wanting to imitate a GLO!

This is why I was humored by that KL guy. The timing is just too much. Especially for those high schoolers who fit why some of us dislike the idea of those organizations.

And you know...thats what its all about...for teenagers who needs something productive to do...We need mentors to help us teenagers become more responsible and help us learn the significance of helping our communities. Yeah, we have parents and all...but in my case---My father died and I really didn't have an older male role model. So even though I did well in school and had manners, I really never had a big networking and support system, and that's where Kappa League came in. It's now at the point where I can talk to my advisors about the problems without me feeling so weird or embarrased. Along with that I can talk to the other KL members and they can help me with any problems I have as well...And with this story says why I say that Kappa League is a fraternity inside a fraternity...because when you are in a problem you will have somebody to help you...BROTHERHOOD is the word! So with that being said regardless of what yall have to say...by definition Kappa League can count as a fraternity even though it is still in auxiliary group sponsored by KAPsi Frat. Inc.

I don't wanna say this to be wise mouthed but if you really dont like the youth auxiliary groups, don't you think that you should talk to your alumni chapter to ban the group if yall don't like it...You need to remember...The people who join KL, Delteens, Archonettes, SB, SOS...joined it because it was a club at their schools. They promote the club, We join it, and if we like it, we stay committed and dedicated:rolleyes:! That is right...right?!

I think there's a difference between not liking auxiliary groups vs. not liking some of the members in the auxiliary groups.

Okay...so to clarify...you don't like the members of the YAG who are:

• gung-ho about joining their desired fratern(soror)ity
• thinks that they will get into their desired fratern(soror)ity regardless of what other people say
• knows too much about their fratern(soror)ity
• and thinks that youth auxiliary groups are just for stepping and not community service, leadership skills, etc.
• and any other things that can fit into these categories...

See I can see if you dislike the members like that. But whenever you have a club...there will be people who think they are going to be the real thing...like how JROTC cadets wants to be soldiers and how HS Basketball Players wants to be the next MJ or D-Wade...I'm not saying its right, but it happens! U gotta deal with it...See, to me...i am just a part of a club that emphasizes leadership and the importance of helping their communities and it just happens that the significant signature of the club is stepping and it is sponsored by the Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc. and it is called Kappa Instructional Leadership League. I stay committed and dedicated to the organization and that's just what I do. And as what KLeaguer1970 said...for whatever fratern(soror)ity that I join when I get to college...Kappa League helped me learn how to committed and dedicated to a club/organization that I join! And that's straight truth!

Then stay in your lane. ;)

It's not about that at all. The issue has already been stated. Most of these clubs are for mentoring at that's all. Not future XYZ and not mini-XYZ. BGLO members who incorporate things that are reminiscent of BGLOs are doing so out of...boredom, as far as I'm concerned.

fludda seems to have a lot of sense and has used his KL experience for what it's for. He also seems to have had some excellent mentors. Aside from his temporary swerveage. :D

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At my skool we have a varity of jr. organizations to choose from like....

Phi Omega of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity Inc.
Sigma Beta Club of Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity Inc.
Jr. Kappa of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity Inc.

Pink Pearls of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority Inc.
Archonette to Zeta of Zeta Phi Beta Sorority Inc.
Delta Gems of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority In.

Me myself is a proud member of phi omega jr. organization but we step(not tha same steps as own big bruhs:D ) we have jackets(no where near tha same a omega psi phi jackets :D ) we do community service also and at my skool we run tha yard lol...we have a cross over...i crossed over with FALL 2006 we have line names that are given to us by tha older bruhs mines is Tramatize #14 but if theres anyone with question just ask and if there are any of my bg bruhs of omega psi phi fraternity inc. on here just hit me up whenever u have tha time........peace

At my high school
 

At my skool we have a varity of jr. organizations to choose from like....

Phi Omega of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity Inc.
Sigma Beta Club of Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity Inc.
Jr. Kappa of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity Inc.

Pink Pearls of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority Inc.
Archonette to Zeta of Zeta Phi Beta Sorority Inc.
Delta Gems of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority In.

Me myself is a proud member of phi omega jr. organization but we step(not tha same steps as own big bruhs:D ) we have jackets(no where near tha same a omega psi phi jackets :D ) we do community service also and at my skool we run tha yard lol...we have a cross over...i crossed over with FALL 2006 we have line names that are given to us by tha older bruhs mines is Tramatize #14 but if theres anyone with question just ask and if there are any of my bg bruhs of omega psi phi fraternity inc. on here just hit me up whenever u have tha time........peace

Can't say it's a southern thing but many states passed laws prohibiting their existance in the early 20th century.

Mountain Brook (Alabama) High School, Natalee Holloway's alma mater, had a Greek system, complete with tiers, until a few years ago. It was a pretty big deal in MB social circles, with the fraternities and sororities having been around since the 1920s, and it served as a feeder system for the big-name groups at Alabama and Auburn.

I know there were high school sororities in one smallish city in Nebraska. I don't know if it was just at the public HS, because there was just one HS and one Catholic HS (at the time, the city had about 30,000 people), but they were the only girls I knew in college who had belonged to HS sororities and it was very big in their town. I don't think they had greek letters, though. I don't know if they still exist, but they did in the late 70's-early 80's. This particular town, of course, had lots of girls who were greek in college and they were also legacies to multiple groups.

My teacher in high school wanted me to become apart of something called the del-teens. My mom didnt let me do it because of her thought of sororities at the time..and then i ended up being in a christian high school sorority before i got to college.

Amen to that.

When I hear of "Greek system" at ANY high school, I have to roll my eyes because they are NOT Greeks. They're just a bunch of silly kids in clubs who slap Greek letters on because they want to be just like the college kids -- only they're not. :rolleyes:

Yep. The best thing those moms ever did for the kids there was to organize the open leadouts...the Greek system in high school was just begging for alcohol problems and emotional problems.

Granted the atmosphere is about as close to college as a public high school will be allowed to get. But the students are still just a bunch of 16 year olds.

I sincerely hope that these youth programs involve some sort of academic mentoring. Clearly spelling is an issue here.

I don't really think Fraternities and Sororities are necessary at the high school level. When I was in HS, we didn't have them. But we had plenty of cliques. And that's all a HS Fraternity or Sorority seems to be. There are plenty of worthwhile programs and organizations for kids to get involved in such as Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts....if you really look at them...they are as close to GLO's as you can get before college. (the similarities have been discussed here on GC somewhere)

There is a group of girls in LA that use my organization's name. We discovered them when creating a group on MySpace. We were stunned that the name "Sigma Psi Kappa" had already been we're the only chapter. We contacted them and let them know that Sigma Psi Kappa already exists and has existed long before they started themselves. What is worse is that they use the same colors and copied images from our website after claiming they didn't know the name was already taken. The eventually changed their name to Sigma Psi Kappa Jr Sorority, Inc. (which i highly doubt that they are Incorporated) But they are in no way affiliated with my organization.

Buh it da 'hood-talk, yo.

There's a fraternity and sorority here in my high school. Beta Omega Psi Fraternity and Gamma Alpha Rho Sorority. The faculty here sometimes get a little iffy about them, but I'm glad that the two organizations do well and have so many scholars and community servants because they would X them in a heartbeat.:D

Oh, boy.:rolleyes:

What? I love my Beta Omega Psi and K-A-Psi of course:cool:

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I mean this with all sincerity.

Its probably a good idea to remove any reference to Kappa Alpha Psi in your siggy, and to avoid posting that you love the org. One day it may come back to haunt you.

Perhaps you should stay focused on being a high school kid instead of worrying about joining a fraternity.

LAWD! I knew this was going to happen. I was waiting for this discussion since it was Spring Break and all the kids are out of school and on the computer. Sigh.

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Wait a minute!!! What are you trying to imply? Is it about Kappa Alpha Psi and you are a fan of another fraternity? **coughs "not better than Kappa"**:cool:

Thank you for the advice. I'll change my signature immediately.