Actually, he's still at the elementary school stage where he just needs to expand his world to the NPC/IFC world. So far, his ignorance even of that world is significant.

This.

How about everyone here stop pretending to be so excepting (you wouldn't go Greek if you were all about fairness and equality), how you are chosen to belong to the organization you are in isn't based on fairness or equality. You will say oh they deserve a chance in life it isn't their fault they are transexual. That is called hypocracy, you can't support something if you wouldn't do it yourself. You all know none of your organizations would take a transexual person. I don't really care if they were pro-slavery, it was wrong but that was the time period. I don't believe the Greek organizations we know were founded by athetist orgie inbreds. They sure weren't people who were transexual. Fraternities and Sororities, the ones that were founded over a 100 years ago stand for good moral values and ethics, that is not what a transexual represents. I don't care if they have their dick cut off and grow breast they still have the mind of a man and not a woman.

Just as a quick comment, Alpha Epsilon Pi, Sigma Alpha Mu and Zeta Beta Tau were founded by JOOOOS. Since they aren't Christians, do they count as "athetist orgie inbreds"?

What the hell do you care what someone does with their own body? Along the lines of what I said before, in the South (and probably everywhere else), Christians used to forbid interracial marrying. They made it a crime, in fact, misogyny.

Moral standards change with the times. Our core values do too. If you're a member of a Southern, traditional fraternity with a long history, racial discrimination, being pro-slavery, etc. are part of your organization's moral tradition. Your founders most likely supported those things. We certainly don't support those things today.

Times change, attitudes change. Do I see my chapter pledging a transgendered student anytime soon? I doubt they even get the opportunity. It's rare enough in Oklahoma and folks usually don't opt for the surgery, etc., til well after college. Have we initiated homosexuals? Absolutely -- and it's no big deal. Have you? If you won't admit it now, just wait several years and pay close attention to a few of your brothers' facebook profiles. If your chapter is of a decent size, there's just about no chance you haven't. And if you'd turn your back on a brother over something like that, then maybe you need to examine not only your organization's core principles, but your own values.

This ATOheadlines mess has got to be a sockie.

They also stand for academic excellence. After you start demonstrating even a little bit of academic competence, you can start criticizing other GLOs for their "failure" to stand for "good moral values."

So where did you get your medical degree? It's nice to know that you have this condition all sewn up and have all the answers. When you grow up and move away from your small town where everything is black and white, you'll learn that there are lots of shades of gray out there and morality doesn't have anything to do with many of the issues humans have to deal with on a daily basis. Enjoy your small world for now with the safety of your ignorance. It's very comforting.

Most chapters for most organizations will never or very rarely (knowingly) have a transgendered applicant. Gender and biological sex are assumed to be the same since birth unless stated or discovered otherwise.

Someone who came to college as Bob and became Brianna (or vice versa) is less likely to be accepted than someone who made the transformation before college and whose current (not past or future) gender is correctly reflected on every component of the application. Bob for the male fraternity and Brianna for the sorority and female fraternity. Makes complete sense to me.

What's more interesting than transgenderism (because most transgendered people are still attempting to fit into a designated sex and gender category) is androgyny.

I'm sure most chapters have never had an androgenous(sp) applicant and that applicant would be eliminated pretty quickly if it wasn't clear which side of the aisle the person was sitting in in terms of sex and gender.

But would an androgynous person really want to join a sorority or fraternity? I'm just thinking about SNL's Pat. Mmmnnnnhhhhhh

LOL. :)

I left my "WWAD" hat at home today. I don't know and don't think "they" can be painted with such a broad brush. :)

i wouldn't vote for a transgender.

I agree. I don't think chapters can either which makes a lot of these questions difficult. In general, I think the answer is no for a lot of these questions, but most of our organizations have more liberal chapters that may say "yes." It's still pretty early in the transgender movement. Not many people really understand what is going on with this issue, so I don't expect at this time many people would be open to offering membership to an openly transgendered applicant. Times will likely change if history is any lesson.

Knowingly. :)

On another note, there is also the rare occasion of men who want to be in an NPHC frat but eventually plan on dressing in drag or something to that effect. I have seen it happen for men who crossed before I was born. Still the same frat brother who is giving to the frat. Just wants to be a man who wears a skirt and make-up now. :) "Don't judge me!"

Then of course you have MIAKA. :) :) :)

:mad: LOL

I really don't think a topic such as this belongs on here! It isn't very fun and it is awkward and controversial.

LOL @ the newbie saying what shouldn't be on GC.

I don't have to associate with those things, I can stay in a little bubble. Life should be about fun and not talking about things that cause problems!

well, recruitment's over so...

Then don't read the thread.

what's up, atoheadlines :)

Everyone here seems to fight but the most important thing is that it isn't up to anyone here to approve or disapprove of accepting someone like that. It is the chapter and those are the only people that matter not our public discussion on it.

honey, you have a problem with hypothetical questions don't you?

No. The national office matters. We were telling him not to blab stuff like this.

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The sock puppet has a sock puppet? What the blood clot?

What's up the sock puppets on here lately?

:D

This isn't a sorority rush party conversation, ATOHeadlines.