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mccoyred 09-09-2010 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1980173)
What I wonder about in that situation is if the school understands what's going on and isn't going to make the post-moratorium members jump through hoops and/or treat them like an entirely new org. I mean, it's not their fault.

Schools are often so clueless about NPHC things - I know Pitt had this problem a couple years ago with NPHC groups possibly getting derecognized because they didn't have as many members as the NIC/NPC groups. To which I say DUUUUUHHHHHH.

This happened to my undergrad chapter and other NPHCs on campus. They either had to be exclusive to the school and retain a certain number or no longer be recognized on campus. Since most were city-wide anyway, their charter's were not in jeopardy BUT they could no longer reserve rooms, participate in certain activities, get school funding, etc.

tld221 09-09-2010 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest (Post 1980710)
This is true but changing at some schools. Likely due to stigma and known situations regarding membership intake violations, some schools are no longer caring so much about NPHC orgs' needs and differences. I know of a PWI that now considers chapters inactive if there is less than 5 active members on campus and NPHC chapters are not exempt.

I remember hearing of a nearby college that had required NPHC sororities to participate in NPC rush/recruitment week to be recognized. I think it was the school's attempt to help the chapters increase their numbers. I don't know if they were required to hold pref or give bids, and I don't know what came of it, but another example of PWIs misunderstanding of NPHC needs and methods.

And don't get me wrong, I respect and like (most) of how NPC does recruitment, but countless retro stories paint horrid stories of less successful/stigmatized recruitment for smaller chapters (and smaller being like under 25-30). So how the freek is an NPHC chapter of 5-10 expected to throw a weeklong party w/o a house and little knowledge abt how the system even works?

DrPhil 09-09-2010 09:04 AM

Generally speaking, small chapters have always felt pressures from the GLO and the college/university. That doesn't stop the small chapters from being proud of their size and perceived exclusivity. I won't go on that soapbox.

I respect NPC and NIC recruitment for the NPC and NIC. I never want the NPHC to hold recruitment or widely participate in recruitment. I know a couple of NPHC chapters participate in recruitment. Yay for them but that's only for them. Not like it truly matters, but I don't know if I would ever respect NPHCers who were "made" through a recruitment and bid process.

Phrozen1ne 09-09-2010 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1980103)
This is not the type of article that we usually see and it's good that people understand the negative effects of a moratorium, especially on smaller chapters. We can't solely rely on faith that they will continue.

Yes, as much as we would like to think we have it like that...reality will soon set in.

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1980173)
What I wonder about in that situation is if the school understands what's going on and isn't going to make the post-moratorium members jump through hoops and/or treat them like an entirely new org. I mean, it's not their fault.

This is what I fear may happen. I attended a PWI and I could definitely see this happening at my old school. It provides another reason for the school to keep a particular group off the yard. Sometimes it doesn't matter how STRONG the alumni chapter is and how much they advocate to get the college chapter back on campus. If a school doesn't want you they will find a way to keep you off their campus. The moratorium just provides the incentive.

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1980967)

Not like it truly matters, but I don't know if I would ever respect NPHCers who were "made" through a recruitment and bid process.

Ditto

rhoyaltempest 09-09-2010 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1980967)
Generally speaking, small chapters have always felt pressures from the GLO and the college/university. That doesn't stop the small chapters from being proud of their size and perceived exclusivity. I won't go on that soapbox.

I respect NPC and NIC recruitment for the NPC and NIC. I never want the NPHC to hold recruitment or widely participate in recruitment. I know a couple of NPHC chapters participate in recruitment. Yay for them but that's only for them. Not like it truly matters, but I don't know if I would ever respect NPHCers who were "made" through a recruitment and bid process.

I agree and just my opinion, but I don't think we should exist at schools that will not allow us to follow our own recruitment process. Obviously, they don't care or respect our organizations' needs and differences.

33girl 09-09-2010 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tld221 (Post 1980942)
I remember hearing of a nearby college that had required NPHC sororities to participate in NPC rush/recruitment week to be recognized. I think it was the school's attempt to help the chapters increase their numbers. I don't know if they were required to hold pref or give bids, and I don't know what came of it, but another example of PWIs misunderstanding of NPHC needs and methods.

That's insane. But after hearing the story about the Greek life advisor who was given a $$$ bonus if she placed every girl who went through rush (whether the chapters wanted them or not) I can believe anything.

DrPhil 09-09-2010 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest (Post 1981109)
I agree and just my opinion, but I don't think we should exist at schools that will not allow us to follow our own recruitment process. Obviously, they don't care or respect our organizations' needs and differences.

I agree.

BluPhire 09-09-2010 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1981190)
I agree.

Double agree.

Especially since this receiving money from the school is new to me (Chapters actually get school funding??? What???), my somewhat elitist attitude in respect to the NPHC at HBCU's vs PWI is really starting to grow.

LOL

Ya'll really get money from the schools?

Phrozen1ne 09-09-2010 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BluPhire (Post 1981199)
Double agree.

Especially since this receiving money from the school is new to me (Chapters actually get school funding??? What???), my somewhat elitist attitude in respect to the NPHC at HBCU's vs PWI is really starting to grow.

LOL

Ya'll really get money from the schools?

Yes you can or at least at my PWI. Your org would be considered an RSO (registered STUDENT organization) therefore you are eligible for funding by requesting it from USG (undergraduate student government). The funds usg have come from the student activity fee that every university student pays yearly as part of their tuition. As long as the event you are hosting is open to all students, you can get funding.

rhoyaltempest 09-09-2010 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BluPhire (Post 1981199)
Double agree.

Especially since this receiving money from the school is new to me (Chapters actually get school funding??? What???), my somewhat elitist attitude in respect to the NPHC at HBCU's vs PWI is really starting to grow.

LOL

Ya'll really get money from the schools?

I don't think this is true of all PWI's and it may actually be a recent thing at some schools. We damn sure didn't get any money from the school when I was in undergrad, although that was the early 90's:D.

As for PWI vs. HBCU, we (those at PWI's) used to get away with a hell of a lot more than our sisters and brothers at HBCU's because the greek office really wasn't all that interested in our activities (too busy focussing on the predominently white orgs); but of course now it's a different story (the only reason they're interested now is because of liability); however, I still think those at PWI's get away with more. I know an HBCU that requires the orgs to schedule their neo shows with the school or else they cannot go down.

DrPhil 09-09-2010 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BluPhire (Post 1981199)
Ya'll really get money from the schools?

Some chapters do because some schools have a student organization/student activities budget. The money sometimes isn't a lot but it gets you started so you can do other fundraisers. Remember that Black alum don't donate their money but they donate their time. Undergrad chapters often need MONEY and have to settle for the time.

As for getting money from some schools, I'm sure the same can be said about some HBCUs (ya know, the HBCUs that aren't broke as hell and based out of big mama's kitchen).

DrPhil 09-09-2010 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest (Post 1981239)
I don't think this is true of all PWI's and it may actually be a recent thing at some schools. We damn sure didn't get any money from the school when I was in undergrad, although that was the early 90's:D.

It definitely isn't true for all PWIs. Then and now.

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Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest (Post 1981239)
As for PWI vs. HBCU, we (those at PWI's) used to get away with a hell of a lot more than our sisters and brothers at HBCU's because the greek office really wasn't all that interested in our activities (too busy focussing on the predominently white orgs); but of course now it's a different story (the only reason they're interested now is because of liability); however, I still think those at PWI's get away with more.

:D Ditto.


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