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Katmandu 09-26-2009 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tifferini (Post 1851278)
In fact, I did find something about this chapter that appealed to me. They had a very strong sisterhood, stronger than all the other chapters on campus. And it's not that I think I'm better than the girls in this chapter. It was just during recruitment, these girls didn't have very good conversations with me, as opposed to the other houses. They were very serious, whereas, the other chapters were fun and carefree. I don't know if it was due to nerves or anything, but it just came off as being a shy sorority.

In the end, sorority life is about sisterhood, bonds and connections, not looks, socials and status. This chapter, in your own words, had a very strong sisterhood, stronger than all the other chapters on campus. Perhaps they came across as serious, rather than carefree, because they saw in you, a woman that could connect with that bond they experience. Perhaps their sisterhood is so important to them that it is difficult for them to chitchat about it in light and humorous ways. Some chapters are like that, and if you are lucky, they want you as a sister for life.

KSUViolet06 09-26-2009 08:30 PM

*I find that there are alot of chapters who tended to come off a certain way during recruitment than what they actually were. Example: There was one that PNMs consistently thought "only cared about school and grades" when most people who were in the Greek system knew that this chapter had a fairly active social schedule like every other group.

tifferini 09-26-2009 09:16 PM

Okay seriously... I don't know if its the fact that I don't know how to put what I mean into words. But I'm not pretty. I'm plain and average. I'm not saying other girls aren't beautiful. The only reason I talked about appearance was because someone misunderstood what I mean about "It wasn't appearance-based." One person said, "Maybe you weren't pretty enough." And I replied with, "I know its not appearance." I didn't mean this to be like I am the pretty one. I meant that I look like these girls who got into the sororities I liked. The ones that weren't the most beautiful because I know I'm not the most beautiful.

als463 09-26-2009 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tifferini (Post 1851406)
Okay seriously... I don't know if its the fact that I don't know how to put what I mean into words. But I'm not pretty. I'm plain and average. I'm not saying other girls aren't beautiful. The only reason I talked about appearance was because someone misunderstood what I mean about "It wasn't appearance-based." One person said, "Maybe you weren't pretty enough." And I replied with, "I know its not appearance." I didn't mean this to be like I am the pretty one. I meant that I look like these girls who got into the sororities I liked. The ones that weren't the most beautiful because I know I'm not the most beautiful.

This is probably how you came off during recruitment. One minute you are saying you are very attractive and the next you are trying to say you didn't mean that. By saying that some of the less attractive girls got bids tells me (and many other people on this forum) that you think your s*** doesn't stink. Well, now those "ugly" girls are in sororities and you are not. I wonder why....:rolleyes:

tifferini 09-26-2009 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1851425)
This is probably how you came off during recruitment. One minute you are saying you are very attractive and the next you are trying to say you didn't mean that. By saying that some of the less attractive girls got bids tells me (and many other people on this forum) that you think your s*** doesn't stink. Well, now those "ugly" girls are in sororities and you are not. I wonder why....:rolleyes:

I'm really sorry about this. I just can't express myself well. And I agree that this is probably one of the reasons during recruitment. And I do feel that this is an misunderstanding.

ellebud 09-26-2009 11:08 PM

Okay ladies may I remind some of us, including me, that the OP is eighteen years old? She is confused, sad, and based on her last post (perhaps only now) really insecure. She, like many others, are in a new place, away from her comfort zone.

She made mistakes in recruitment. I don't think we (including the OP) really knows what happened and why. She asked more experienced people and frankly kept digging herself in deeper.

Read her last post. The kid is hurting. Let's chalk it up to: She screwed up (or not), she types (or speaks) without editing herself, and her first major move in college was (in her eyes) a disaster. And that, in my eyes, is sad.

KSUViolet06 09-26-2009 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ellebud (Post 1851443)
Read her last post. The kid is hurting. Let's chalk it up to: She screwed up (or not), she types (or speaks) without editing herself, and her first major move in college was (in her eyes) a disaster. And that, in my eyes, is sad.

True. For alot of girls, recruitment is likely the first major disappointment they've encountered (especially if the PNM is a pretty accomplished high schooler).

The best thing to do is treat it as a learning experience, should you choose to try again next year.

als463 09-26-2009 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ellebud (Post 1851443)
Okay ladies may I remind some of us, including me, that the OP is eighteen years old? She is confused, sad, and based on her last post (perhaps only now) really insecure. She, like many others, are in a new place, away from her comfort zone.

She made mistakes in recruitment. I don't think we (including the OP) really knows what happened and why. She asked more experienced people and frankly kept digging herself in deeper.

Read her last post. The kid is hurting. Let's chalk it up to: She screwed up (or not), she types (or speaks) without editing herself, and her first major move in college was (in her eyes) a disaster. And that, in my eyes, is sad.

Ellebud-while I applaud your sympathy for her, I don't think she deserves much slack for the garbage she talked. She, like many other women who think they are above different chapters, blew her chance. I don't feel the least bit sorry for her. She isn't a child. She made her bed...I think you know the rest....

KSUViolet06 09-26-2009 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1851450)
Ellebud-while I applaud your sympathy for her, I don't think she deserves much slack for the garbage she talked. She, like many other women who think they are above different chapters, blew her chance. I don't feel the least bit sorry for her. She isn't a child. She made her bed...I think you know the rest....

I would consider myself to be a pretty honest GCer and am certainly not one to coddle PNMs or blow sunshine.

However, I think you need to chill just a tad
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tifferini 09-26-2009 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ellebud (Post 1851443)
Okay ladies may I remind some of us, including me, that the OP is eighteen years old? She is confused, sad, and based on her last post (perhaps only now) really insecure. She, like many others, are in a new place, away from her comfort zone.

She made mistakes in recruitment. I don't think we (including the OP) really knows what happened and why. She asked more experienced people and frankly kept digging herself in deeper.

Read her last post. The kid is hurting. Let's chalk it up to: She screwed up (or not), she types (or speaks) without editing herself, and her first major move in college was (in her eyes) a disaster. And that, in my eyes, is sad.

Thank you for your encouragement.

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 1851447)
True. For alot of girls, recruitment is likely the first major disappointment they've encountered (especially if the PNM is a pretty accomplished high schooler).

The best thing to do is treat it as a learning experience, should you choose to try again next year.

Yea, I was an accomplished high school student. And I know that college is a different experience now.

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Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1851450)
Ellebud-while I applaud your sympathy for her, I don't think she deserves much slack for the garbage she talked. She, like many other women who think they are above different chapters, blew her chance. I don't feel the least bit sorry for her. She isn't a child. She made her bed...I think you know the rest....

And I do understand why I don't deserve any sympathy for you. Thanks for setting me straight. I think I have been letting things get to my head lately.

als463 09-27-2009 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 1851452)
I would consider myself to be a pretty honest GCer and am certainly not one to coddle PNMs or blow sunshine.

However, I think you need to chill just a tad
.

I'm just getting sick of all of these girls coming on GC looking for sympathy after telling us in their initial post that they felt they were "too good" for certain undesirable chapters. It disgusts me and you'll have to excuse me for coming off as being b****y regarding this, but it gets on my nerves.

If a girl really wants to go Greek-they need to stop being snobs!

As someone, like yourself, who is completely Panhellenic-minded, I am irritated for the women of the other organizations because all 26 NPCs have something great to offer. For the record, I plan on letting any other OP who comes on GC looking for sympathy, that I don't feel bad for them if they choose to have a bad attitude going through recruitment.

qbt1990 09-27-2009 01:03 AM

@ OP - I'm really sorry, I really feel for you. I understand what you were trying to say. It sucks that this happens to really cool girls all the time...
I hope you do eventually go through recruitment again and find your home! (even though I'll probably get flamed for that statement whatevs!) <333

KDMafia 09-27-2009 10:04 AM

I'm not on here as much as before so maybe I have a higher tolerance but I think part of the reaction to the posters is that there are SO many of them right now.

Like we always tell the PNMS. It's a MUTUAL selection process. The girls get a choice too. They may not be happy with the choice and they may be upset but if they don't want to be in a chapter then maybe they shouldn't be. I understand that there is something to say for trying and sometimes you do try and it works out but I also know of girls who knew in their heart it wasn't the place for them and did it anyway and ended up dropping after pledging and having to wait a year and not just because the house wasn't the "top" house but just because they felt that since a house wanted them they should do it whether they were unhappy in the room.

Remember, we make judgements about PNMS on short meetings and are constantly warning them how their behaviors can be misinterpreted. Well sometimes PNMS do that about sororities as well. Why should they have to be understanding about sororities when we tell PNMS that one mistake could mean they're cut.

That being said I encourage you to try again and work on getting to know girls in the sororities so help make an informed decision

UGAalum94 09-27-2009 12:49 PM

And let's not forget to be grateful that they are asking about it themselves rather than their moms doing the asking.

It's normal for them to be disappointed, and they don't have to take any group that wants them or forfeit being disappointed.

Sure, it's nice to remind them that they were still likely wanted by one or two remaining groups, but honestly, when they drop out before bid day, we don't even really know that they would have matched to any group. They might have been too low on the remaining groups' bid lists to match. Who knows? (ETA: the op here apparently got a call on bid day, so it's a little different than the couple of other threads.)

They can either try to continue recruitment though COB or re-rushing, or they can explore their other options on campus other than greek life. But not wanting to become a member of any particular chapter doesn't make you a bad person (although I do think it's odd when girls who go without bid feel superior to girls in who joined, not that this is going on here, but I've seen it in real life.)

33girl 09-28-2009 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tifferini (Post 1851278)
In fact, I did find something about this chapter that appealed to me. They had a very strong sisterhood, stronger than all the other chapters on campus. And it's not that I think I'm better than the girls in this chapter. It was just during recruitment, these girls didn't have very good conversations with me, as opposed to the other houses. They were very serious, whereas, the other chapters were fun and carefree. I don't know if it was due to nerves or anything, but it just came off as being a shy sorority.

I would bet that amongst themselves, they are just as if not more funny and gregarious as the other groups on campus. They just don't do well in the fakiness and superficiality of sorority rush.

And the fact that you have talked about your looks so much leads me to believe that you expected them to carry you farther than they did. That worked in high school. It doesn't anymore.

lyrelyre 09-28-2009 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tifferini (Post 1851278)
But it wasn't because of appearance, so I was wondering what other factors were there.

You can't think of any other bases for forming relationships and making friends?

texas*princess 09-28-2009 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tifferini (Post 1850090)
I understand what you're saying. But isn't choosing the sorority supposed to be concentrating on what I want?

Also, I had a 3.86 high school GPA. I was ASB president and captain of the volleyball team. I was the main organizer for fundraisers of the charities our school supports. I volunteered at an animal shelter. I did school choir.

It's just a little confusing, and I admit that I am disappointed.

So what? There were probably tons of girls going through recruitment that had the same - if not better - resume stats as you.

like everyone else has said NO ONE CAN TELL YOU WHY YOU WERE CUT.

Move on.

p.s. Way to blow off the sorority that was genuinely interested in you so much that they even called you and asked you to reconsider. You said you'd go through Spring recruitment with an open mind, but why didn't you do that during Fall recruitment? I wouldn't be surprised if that house didn't want to offer you a bid later on.

tifferini 09-29-2009 01:36 AM

I'm really sorry that I offended a lot of you. I sincerely didn't mean to do that. Though I want to go into recruitment again, I am rethinking my choices because I don't know if I'm Greek material... Hopefully, I will be able to better myself in these upcoming months and maybe figure out what direction I want to take this.

Thanks for all the replies. You guys have helped me out a lot.

ASTalumna06 09-29-2009 02:26 AM

If you still think you might want to be Greek, I would truly try to get to know some of the sisters in the sororities, including the one that you turned down. As some have already said, chapters can sometimes be VERY different after recruitment ends.

Sometimes, a girl will get into her DREAM chapter... only to find out that the dream was just that... a dream. When reality kicks in after bid day, some girls find that they went after that chapter for all of the wrong reasons.

On the other hand, you could be like me, and go through recruitment (granted, it was informal, but this example still applies), and find that the sisters aren't as "welcoming" as you had hoped. One or two girls really stood out as being potential sisters, but as a whole, you didn't feel that "click". But after the first ceremony, when everyone hugs you, gives you a huge congratulations, and makes sure to include the new members in as much as possible, you know you're in the right place.

And actually, I was completely surprised to get a bid in the first place. While my main "rusher" picked me up at my dorm to bring me to recruitment events, I didn't feel like the rest of the sisters would accept me. I was a lot more reserved back then when in new social situations, while they all appeared to be social butterflies and very talkative (at least with each other). It was actually rumored that they were the "most selective" chapter (mainly in the appearance department), and were stuck up, so to speak. I found out later that this clearly wasn't the case (although I wasn't too sure during recruitment).

As with any situation, getting to truly know someone in a matter of days, hours, and sometimes minutes, isn't exactly easy. I'm sure you've met people in your life who you weren't too sure of in the beginning, but once you got to know them, you realized that they're great people who may have just come off the wrong way to start.

If you really want to be Greek, I would aim to meet as many people in the Greek community as possible and hope for the best in the upcoming months. And if you made any friends in your recruitment group, stay close with them. I've heard of this working to the benefit of some potential members in the past.

Whatever you do, keep your grades up, get involved in other clubs/organizations/activities, and just be sure that if you do go through recruitment again (whether formal or informal), keep a completely open mind about all of the groups, and try to give everyone a fair chance.

Good luck.

KD4Me 09-29-2009 12:28 PM

Tifferini - I am sorry that you were released from the houses that you liked. I am sure that it stings, and totally understand that it leaves you wondering why you were not invited back to those houses. You sound like a nice young woman and, from your description of yourself, it sounds as though you would be an asset to a collegiate chapter. I am also sorry that you have received such criticism from some of the people who have replied to your post. I do not think it was warranted.

I suggest that you go to some COR events hosted by the chapter that did invite you to pref. I understand that you didn't feel a connection with them, but you said that they have a strong sisterhood, which appealed to you. That is, perhaps, the MOST important quality in a collegiate chapter!

I recently had an opportunity to attend a "mock" recruitment event at a local collegiate chapter (not where I attended college) of my sorority. We practiced the party twice. Two different girls "rushed" me. They basically said all of the same things, but I really connected with the first girl, not so much with the second one. It made me realize how much impact whoever you spend the most time talking to at a party has on your impression of the whole chapter. After the first party, I was ready to pledge again! After the second party, I felt that if I were an actual PNM, I probably wouldn't rank the chapter very high on my preference card. Nice girl, but just different than me. Hope this makes sense.

What I'm saying is, get to know the entire chapter and then make a decision, because this might be your best chance to join a sorority. Good luck in whatever you decide.

DubaiSis 09-29-2009 01:06 PM

Sadly, this thread has been beat to death. The answer is the houses that you wanted didn't want you. Chances are they won't want you at any point in the future. There was a house that did want you but for whatever reason you didn't want to join. The members here know that not all sorority relationships start with emotional hearts and flowers and that these relationships can take time to build. However, you are not willing to hear any of this, so the point is moot. We can turn to snarkiness and tell you that you're great and they're byatches and the whole world is wrong except you, but what good would that do?

It is time for you to accept that you didn't pass go with the houses you wanted. So you either suck it up and accept the house that DID want you, or find something else on campus to be a part of.

Sororities are FRIENDSHIPS, not marriages. And even if it were like a marriage, it takes a lot of work to make it run smoothly. And lots of compromise. You're not willing to compromise, so that's that.

Please find a non-sorority group to be a part of.:mad:

LouisaMay 09-29-2009 11:36 PM

In recruitment threads (and in real life), we hear so much talk about "connections" and feeling like a girl really "clicks" with a chapter. These feelings are just that...feelings. Feelings are fickle, and only time can reveal true friendships. First impressions are really funny things. They don't tell you who is going to show up at your door with chocolate after a tough exam, who will lend you cute shoes in a pinch, who will cry with you when someone you love is hurting or sick, or who will never be more than a quick "hello" in the hallway. I can't help but think that we manufacture that feeling of "connection." It's not surprising that it isn't always mutual.

tifferini, it is always great to better yourself, but the results of recruitment don't reflect your true worth as a person (I know I've said this on GC before). You don't need to make yourself into "Greek material." Just do what you do. Enjoy your year, and when recruitment rolls around again, think about whether the sorority experience would be a good addition to your life at that time. If so, go through recruitment and see what happens. The thought of you cramming in extracurriculars, trying to meet the "right" women, and measuring yourself against the girls in letters makes me so sad:( Just enjoy your time and make some good memories. Maybe they will include sorority sisters in the future.

OPhiAGinger 09-30-2009 02:43 AM

Tifferini, from what I can read in your posts you did keep your mind open to the sororities that invited you back, even going so far as to attend the pref party of one that you didn't feel comfortable with. And in declining the bid you received, you exercised your side of the much ballyhooed mutual selection process. Kudos to you for not taking a spot away from a sister who was dreaming of joining that chapter!

I think you are wise to realize that the limitations imposed by formal recruitment really limited your exposure to all of the sororities, including the one that liked you so much. It's a great idea to get to know them over this next semester and then, if you feel like Greek Life is still something you want to pursue, you'll be much better equipped to give informal recruitment a try. Just keep LouisaMay's advice close to heart: don't try to make yourself into something you're not. Be yourself and have fun in college, whether it's in a GLO or in another type of organization. :)


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