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That was stupid.
And on the note of dumbass military men, a Marine (I believe) came up to our booth a few days ago at the Student Org Fair and completely blew us off.. but still put his name down as interested. I hope he doesn't actually expect someone to contact him. I can't even remember what he said, though... it's 3am.

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Originally Posted by moe.ron (Post 1842798)

Too long, didn't read. Give me the cliff note version.

"Chuck" thinks that we're all pansies because we sit at our computers while pledges bring us sodas and we shouldn't disrespect veterans who've seen real hardship and if we had Virginia Tech wouldn't have happened, obviously.

To "Chuck," I'm sorry you didn't get a bid.

LOL @ the whack resurrection of this thread

How does someone who's so busy with offline and non-Greek events stumble upon GC?

And where was the "disrespect" in this thread? "Chuck" needs to go to hell lol

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Originally Posted by greeksrpansys (Post 1842776)

ok so check this out, all you fuckers that go to college and think that you are all legacy's and all this bullshit, listen up, it dont fuckin matter what you think you are. your in college, you partied at home growing up, maybe got in a little bit of trouble or you were sheltered and never done anything wrong in your life and the hardest thing you have had to deal with was learning how to wipe your own ass. you cant tell anything to that soldier, and you know why???....because he joined up, he did something, something that you wont even get off your fatass from the computer to go get a soda you have to ask your little pledges. you are the reason america is failing, no one wants to do work, you think that everyone is gonna give you everything..try working for a living, all you rich peices of shit that have money, you have no idea what its like to make your way up from nothing. and if your thinking to yourself, who the hell is this asshole?,, my name is chuck, and yes i am a combat vet from the 173rd airborne, we lost 44 guys in afghanistan last year. someshit like that happens in a hgih school or college... everyone flips shit and wears ribbons like it means something, maybe if you actually did something like kick that asian fuckers ass who killed those nice kids in virgina, maybe it wouldnt have happened, but you go about your meaningless lives, trying to make sense of the world you live in, but trust me. you can make up as many phallacies about yourself as you want but the fact of the matter is, you havent done shit for your country and talking to that veteran about how he is trying to single himself out.. shit.. women do the same thing, black people do the same thing, etc. etc. so next time you think about talking to a veteran, especially a young man who knows what freedom is..speak with respect and dignity to him, because unless you have experienced the type firefights and loss of life, you have no right to disrespect him.

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Last time I looked the reason we soldiers signed up to an all volunteer service was so we could SERVE our country and PROTECT the people who live in it. I was not aware that being a veteran gave anyone the right to lay general disrespect on everyone else. I was not aware that garbage mouth was the hallmark of one who had seen real action. I was not aware that getting shot at was the ONLY way one could serve his country. What exactly gives you the right to come off like a holier than thou bigot? Do you think you are the only soldier who has seen combat. Or, do you believe all soldiers always perform courageously and honorably and all civilians are wastes of skin? Just for the record, when I was earning my spurs the hard way a high percentage of the officers I served with when forward deployed were college educated Fraternity men.
When I got back and returned to law school I was surprised but very pleased to see how many of my fellow students were fraternity men and combat veterans. And, also just for the record, I paid my dues resulting in some letters you should recognize:
SS, BS'V' and OLC, PH, ACM'V' and OLC, ABN, plus all the other 'been there buttons' and REMF medals.
I am damned proud of my service in the regular army and I stay qualified in the USAR but I sure as hell don't believe in cheapening my service by using it as a bully pulpit.

^^^ dekeguy is just plain all-around awesome.

Never realized you were a combat vet Dekeguy. Thank you very much for your service, and I must say I am impressed with your record.

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1842990)

^^^ dekeguy is just plain all-around awesome.

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Thank you but ...
OK, now I am embarrassed. I was sounding off about what I considered to be a way out of line rant. I really don't like to make a big deal out of something that I believe in very much. I like to tell people about my war stories but I feel funny about sounding like, well, you know...

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1843018)

Never realized you were a combat vet Dekeguy. Thank you very much for your service, and I must say I am impressed with your record.

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Appreciate your comment, but please see my response just above this one. I don't like people who brag and I think I came pretty close to it when I answered that out of line rant a few posts ago.

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Originally Posted by dekeguy (Post 1843073)

I really don't like to make a big deal out of something that I believe in very much. I like to tell people about my war stories but I feel funny about sounding like, well, you know...

Which is one of the reasons for your all-around awesomeness. ;)

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Originally Posted by greeksrpansys (Post 1842778)

what did you do in iraq, get fucked in porto john.. yeah you were there, but you cannot relate to seeing your friend wounded. you'd probably flip shit if someone ran over your cat. go eat a dick you pansy

"a real veteran"

As an actual combat veteran, I am pretty disgusted this jackoff would have the audacity to tell me that I am not "a real veteran" because I must not have seen people die. He does not know what I have seen or what I did.

A note for any other "combat veterans" who want to trash talk people who either DID serve overseas in a combat situation or DID NOT-you don't have the right to trash talk people you don't know.

Just because you served time overseas, don't assume you can look down on people who did not. It is pretty pathetic and makes you seem like a loser. So for greeksrpansys-you can kiss my ass!

Fraternal Greetings SigEpLegacy,

I think I've mentioned this on other threads before but here goes again.

Collegiate and University enrollment spiked to record levels as a result of World War II. Many GIs, mostly men, left WWII and began cashing in on their Montgomery GI Bill benefits. This was a great economic driver in the world of higher education. While these GIs attended these colleges and universities they began to join college fraternities on their campuses. Many of these GIs brought the spirit and camaraderie from the battlefield into these collegiate fraternities triggering the genesis of hazing as the media knows it know. Rigorous exercise, sleep deprivation, etc, prior to this era, was not common amongst collegiate GLOs. Most rights of passage for GLOs, prior to WWII, comprised of simple meetings, a religious type initiation ritual, usually with candles and fellowship. Hazing hit an apex on college campuses in the 60s and 70s with movies like "Animal House" and the influence of the media. It continued on through the 80s and into the 90s but began to lose steam with heightened Risk Management practices that have become standardized for many National GLOs.

Anyway, not to get into a separate topic but in my opinion the fraternities suitable for Veterans to enlist in are the exact same ones that already exist. For the record, I do not condone hazing. This was simply a historical snip-it for my fellow GCrs.

Fraternal Regards,

Boodleboy322

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Originally Posted by SigEpLegacy (Post 1819940)

I was wondering if there was a college fraternity for veterans. With the war in Iraq coming to an end, the demand for service members will dwindle. A majority would probably use their GI Bill. I was wondering if such organizations already exist.

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Originally Posted by Boodleboy322 (Post 1866069)

Many of these GIs brought the spirit and camaraderie from the battlefield into these collegiate fraternities triggering the genesis of hazing as the media knows it know. Rigorous exercise, sleep deprivation, etc, prior to this era, was not common amongst collegiate GLOs. Most rights of passage for GLOs, prior to WWII, comprised of simple meetings, a religious type initiation ritual, usually with candles and fellowship.

While there is much truth to what you've said, brother, in that hazing took on a whole new aspect after soldiers returned from WWII and went to school on the GI bill, I wouldn't discount or ignore the hazing that took place prior to WWII. As just one example, opposition to hazing was a significant factor in the founding of Sigma Nu 1869.

Fraternity for Veterans

Duly noted brother Mystic Cat. However, keep in mind that trends, regardless of good or bad, are the result of the Macro and not the Micro.

Yours in Phi Mu Alpha,

Boodleboy322

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1866216)

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1820166)

But if your strict about it, a veteran is only somebody who retired or served in combat. so yeah.

I am a veteran, and work for the Veterans Administration. A veteran is anybody who has completed their terms of service honorably with the US military, to include Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, the Public Health Service and the National Oceanographic Service (the last 2 surprised me too). Combat is not a determining factor, nor is retirement.

To everyone who has the mispleasure of reading "Chucks" bullshit. I apologize on behalf of service members all over the world. Being a combat vet doesn't give anyone the right of degrade others. He probably isn't smart enough to attend college. Once again, I'm sorry.