Sh:eek:cking! I hate when people use numbers for letters.

Ditto.

Isn't it about time we start a new thread for next year?

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My thought exactly!

Ha. If if makes you feel better I had to use a translator. I can read leet much to my chagrin but I cannot type it.

Chat/txtspeak however makes me ill.

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I'm starting to doubt you troll translation abilities now :(

It took me three tries to read it, but finally figured out what you meant. leet speak is stupid.

Aw sweetheart there's no online translator for troll or for crazy. Has to have the human touch ;)

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Not that it matters, but yes Phi Mu has been suspended from UNCG's campus. Nationals ONLY had to suspend us because UNCG suspended us, which should show that we really didn't do anything wrong. A few ex-members decided to make up some shit that never happened and tried to accuse us of hazing.

QFP, though if true what was "rampant misuse of social media" and how was it made up?

I'd like to know where you got your information from. As a sister of Gamma Chi, we were not even aloud to discuss the charges against our chapter. We were not even told the full story of what we were being charged with so, I'd like to know how you found out this. And discussing it on this website was rude and disrespectful, a lot of members don't even fully understand what has happened to the chapter still. I think it was rude for you to post it to the public to see, it is not an issue concerning them nor you. This is a Gamma Chi issue concerning individuals and nations.
Sorry to come across rude, but this is a touchy subject for all Gamma Chi's especially members as myself who, as a legacy, dreamed of being a Phi Mu since the day my sister joined and feel cheated our of my experience in Phi Mu.

Actually it is an issue for Phi Mu and Greekdom as a whole because what happened to you can happen to anybody.

No it's not. This is an issue concerning one chapter and one sorority. If members of our Chapter weren't even aloud to pretty much discuss it among ourselves I don't see why anyone else has the right to know. Especially since many of us don't even know the full story, so it's kind of wrong that someone not even from our Chapter is saying things on a public website that we aren't even sure are true or not.

Sirfie, allowed.

And as you yourself pointed out, this is a public website. As such we can discuss what we want. Also if you think nobody is speculating about this even at your own school, then you are dreaming.

Honey, it's allowed. Not aloud. Aloud is saying something so it can be heard; allowed is being able to.

And I believe the previously posted information was a press release- that's how many other chapter closure announcements that have come straight from Headquarters resembled...

I understand why this would be a touchy subject, but it was in a press release- so it is up for anyone to discuss.

I am confused by how this concerns nations?

I think she meant national headquarters.

The person you quoted is a Phi Mu, so odds are she received her information from Phi Mu itself.

There is nothing rude nor disrespectful about its discussion here. Far more inappropriate based on your post was the previous member "gammachi4life" calling the whole thing ridiculous. Assuming there truly is a prohibition on discussing it.

Sorority membership is for life. The only way you're cheated out of that is if you choose to be.

Except when national headquarters prevents that.

No, usually it's "unless you do something that gets you expelled."

The collegiate chapter's suspension does not prohibit them from joining an alumna chapter/club when they're out of school.

Ah, thank you. I was wondering what they did to offend other countries...

That would provide a more interesting explanation of "Misuse of social media."

Something like "Told Sweden to DIAF" or something.

Oh, come on. We all know that's not the same thing and very cold comfort to an initiated freshman who can't join another group and has to go through the rest of her collegiate career watching other Greeks have fun at Greek week, mixers, meetings, philanthropies etc.

There are very few 18 year old women who join sororities to do the kind of activities that alumnae chapters do.

Also, JMO, that press release really needs reworded. Why would the university suspend the chapter according to Phi Mu's national policies? How do they even know what Phi Mu's national policies are?

I don't see how any of that doesn't involve the person being responsible for their membership. Probation and Suspension are temporary and also do not interfere with "for life" unless the person chooses not to resolve it.

I just object to the idea that it's HQ's fault that you're not a member which seems to be what you're suggesting.

All of these rulings come from national headquarters, thus "except when national headquarters prevents that."

The NPHC and the NPC do things a little differently where discipline for individuals is concerned.

DrPhil - NPCs pretty much either terminate you (i.e. you're not a member anymore and it's as if you've never been a member) or make you early alum when a chapter closes. There are times when people have financial issues but those are resolved by just paying up. It's not like I've seen with NPHC groups where Susie isn't allowed to participate in any XYZ events for 2 years or whatever.

No, it's not. I get that. But if she's dreamed of Phi Mu and wants to stay involved, she can. It's not supposed to make up for what was lost, that was the punishment for whatever the chapter was doing. It sucks, but the people to be angry at are the people in the chapter participating in the actions. (As much as people protest innocence, I'd say its rare that truly innocent chapters are given 4 year suspensions. Not impossible but rare.)

And generally you can't join the alum chapter until after you graduate anyway.

I assumed because it was Phi Mu's press release the "why" was worded in their language. The line before it indicates that there may have been a University "value" that was violated - one I assume is agreed to by their presence on campus and existence as a student org. But obviously not enough detail to be sure.

The general rule is that many college and university policies "override" (for lack of a better word) national policies.

The university may have communicated with a chapter advisor and other representative of the sorority beyond the chapter. That's how Greek Life tends to know what the policies for GLOs are--not to mention that some Greek Life offices get direct correspondence with the written hazing and academic policies, etc.

Yes, I understand that it is different for individuals.

I just think it comes off as blaming HQ for your own screw ups ;)

Thanks. I figured Drolefile was making a general statement when she said sorority membership is for a lifetime and not being NPC-specific.

One thing that GC always reminds me of is that the lifetime membership is not very emphasized in the NPC, in general.

Sometimes HQs are to blame because they are filled with imperfect people interpreting and enforcing policies and procedures. But my point was that HQs make the final decision (with and without an appeal).

off topic: DrPhil, this brings to mind the discussion a while back about my observation of my DST friend and how deeply involved (and committed) she continues to be with her philanthropy and her sorority sisters. As I see it, the interpretation of NPC lifetime membership varies greatly and depends on many factors and circumstances.

So, while my "membership" does continue as an alum, my actual involvement with my fraternity depends on ME and how much I put into it (e.g. alumnae club activities, advisory board activities, etc).

back to the topic at hand...

Oh I'm sure people at my school are speculating, but if we are going to share information we want to make sure it is the correct information. Until then people can talk about what they think happened but, they'll never know what really happened... not even chapter members.

Sirfie,

If you look at the regulations of Phi Mu, you'll find that Phi Mu gets to put out that information, not individuals from your chapter. This is pretty standard for all NPC organizations. That is why they put out the press release that you object to so vehemently. Unfortunately, as the elected leaders of the national organization, they, not you, get to decide how to explain the closure of Gamma Chi. I can assure you that no one takes the closure of a chapter lightly. They also don't like to spread around dirty laundry. That press release was very succinct. Leave it alone and just go away before you stir up more trouble than it's worth.

Panhellenically,
AOII Angel

Cheers to Dr. Angel.

Have we seen a "misuse of social media" issue before? I'd for one like to see how social networking sites play out in the closure of a chapter.

Yeah, I'm curious and suspecting inappropriate pictures/comments on facebook. But I get that my curiosity doesn't mean they have to say. At the same time the chapter's gag order doesn't mean we have one either.