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I see nothing wrong with those pictures. I see no nudity, nothing that couldn't be shown on TV or that you don't see in a clothing catalogue. As demonstrated, there is no more skin than in the swimsuit competition. I don't think anybody bothers to come up with dirt on the first runner up. Nobody ever cares about the first runner up. The winner, sure! Look at Vanessa Williams, but not the first runner up. The whole thing is silly.
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If this is all there is, I don't see the uproar. Vanessa Williams's pictures were far, far more scandalous.
Plenty of people are against gay marriage, but don't consider themselves "conservative" or "traditional." I'm not sure how hypocritical that is, but I think a lot of people on the left equate being against gay marriage with being generally conservative--even personally conservative, when that's not the case. |
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She could of easily of said something about state's rights, and the beauty of diversity within the country... she started with that by talking about choice, but went into personal opinion, which was unnecessary in regards to whether she supports it. However, she chose to bring in her opinion and her christianity onto national television in a competition where she would represent America. She has a right to her opinion, and though I do not support her view, I do not think a view like that would be unrepresentative of America. However, the mention of christian values to the public eye puts her publicly against christian standards, and thus rises the disappointment of the photos at hand. She did not deserve the bashing of Perez Hilton, but she does deserve the disappointment from the revealing photos.
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People can have one opinion but see the law as something different. And quite frankly going around in circles with you on this is just absurd. Your question has been answered like six times over by now. I used to compete in pageants. You are taught NOT to answer with your opinion. Several examples have been given in this thread of exactly what her answer should have been. End. Of. Discussion. |
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LOL...I've decided that this really isn't about the pageant or these specific young ladies. This has become something greater. People have used this to reinforce liberal vs. conservative (those categories and "battles" annoy me, but okay) values. Yes, he was asking her personal opinion but on a very specific application--not a general one. This young lady said "everyone has a right to choose" which as someone already noted, isn't true based on the legality of it all. But if she had stayed on this route, she could've perhaps said that people SHOULD have the right to choose and that states have the right to weight the pros and cons ON THEIR OWN and follow Iowa's lead, if need be. Or express that she thinks states SHOULDN'T but do so without being personal. Then we wouldn't know or care what she personally thinks about gays and/or gay marriage. This isn't about political correctness, absent freedom of speech, or denying Christianity (which, as a Christian, I find to be the dumbest platform for Christians to jump on--conservative or not). It is about being smart enough (despite nervousness) to know what you are being asked and think about the context. That applies to pageants where they are trained to do so, and for nonpageants where adults learn how to discuss topics with others. If you stick your foot in your mouth, just acknowledge that you did that. Don't make yourself into a martyr and pretend you did it on purpose. I also don't think people should be trying to ruin this young lady for incorrectly answering the question with her opinion. Afterall, incorrectly answering the question was her only gaffe. What she actually thinks about gay marriage is of no concern, unless she were to turn her opinions into discriminatory actions. /end too damn long post |
Oh goody - another "you don't understand" "ANSWER MY DAMN QUESTION" thread.
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Well, Perez, I think that the genius of our federal system is that it allows each state to make up its own mind about these things. As Justice Brandeis said, there must be power in the states to remould, through experimentation, our institutions to meet changing social needs, and that one of the "happy incidents" of our federal system that a single state may, if its citizens so choose, serve as a laboratory and try new things without risk to the rest of the country. So I trust the citizens of each state to decide for themselves what course to follow, and I trust that the decisions already made in Vermont and elsewhere -- and the experiences that result from those decisions -- can assist the remaining states in deciding for themselves. Quote:
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I don't have a single iota of artistic talent. -- nonetheless, it belongs here. |
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Liar Liar, pink panties on fire
TMZ reports that Photo #2 has hit the web on thedirty.com. Carrie told pageant officials that the photo that hit the internets earlier this week was the "only" one she took and there were no other photos.
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Here's my question. If CA is forced to give up her crown and her 1st runner up takes over, does her 1st runner up automatically take over as 1st runner up for Miss USA?
Honestly, if I competed in Miss USA and was one of the top five I would be royally pissed if some girl who didn't even win the crown (CA) got to be a first runner up (Miss USA) and possibly take the Miss USA crown, if USA wins Universe. To me that wouldn't seem quite fair. But maybe it's just me. Has anyone participated in pageants or know enough about pageants to answer the question? |
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The whole purpose of having other "runners up" is to have someone to take the place if the person before them can't preform their duties. So let's say Miss Malibu becomes Miss California. Then Miss USA wins Miss Universe. Since the original Miss California can't preform her duties, the 2nd runner up will step in as the new Miss USA. That's the way I understood it anyway |
Does anybody really give a rat's rump about all of this?
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Trump says she can keep the crown: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_miss_california
All the related drama can go away now. |
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